Popular Post Datameister 2,019 Posted September 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 7, 2020 37 minutes ago, gkgyver said: I don't understand the hoopla in the original discussion. I would think it's common to write more than one version of a main title. It's not as common to write three completely different main titles with vastly different approaches and no material in common. Williams did the jazzy final version, another version revolving around Snowy's theme, and another giving extensive development to a theme that ended up not being used very much in the score. Imagine if Star Wars had an alternate main title built around the Force theme, and then still another that introduced a melody never used in the rest of the score. There would be understandable hoopla. BrotherSound, Once, Will and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 Tintin isn't Star Wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 In France, it is. DrTenma 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,019 Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 3 hours ago, gkgyver said: Tintin isn't Star Wars. You're blowing my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,833 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 The Adventures of Tauntaun igger6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eitam 362 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 11 hours ago, Datameister said: another giving extensive development to a theme that ended up not being used very much in the score. You do mean the so-called "Tintin theme", the one we hear for example at the end of Pursuit of the falcon ? This soundtrack is in dire need of an expansion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,019 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 6 hours ago, eitam said: You do mean the so-called "Tintin theme", the one we hear for example at the end of Pursuit of the falcon ? This soundtrack is in dire need of an expansion. No, check out the beginning of "Escape From the Karaboudjan" for the theme I'm talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,621 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, Datameister said: No, check out the beginning of "Escape From the Karaboudjan" for the theme I'm talking about. That's the same theme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,019 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Not Mr. Big said: That's the same theme Oh that's right, it does crop up in there. That's what I get for going off of memory. But in all fairness, the main theme does come afterward, and that's the statement I was thinking of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,043 Posted September 8, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 8, 2020 Maybe it would make sense to share mockups of those early main titles now, here in this thread? Holko, Will and Once 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Datameister 2,019 Posted September 8, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 8, 2020 On 9/8/2020 at 12:45 PM, Jay said: Maybe it would make sense to share mockups of those early main titles now, here in this thread? I'm sure whoever made these would want to include a disclaimer that they're old mockups and would most certainly sound better if that person were to redo them these days. Will, Not Mr. Big, crumbs and 7 others 3 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,043 Posted September 8, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 8, 2020 Converted your attachments to embeds hosted elsewhere Will, ragoz350, BrotherSound and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,400 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Oh wow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eitam 362 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Jay said: Converted your attachments to embeds hosted elsewhere Thanks a lot, Jay and @Datameister ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Once 604 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Wow, these are great. Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TownerFan 4,983 Posted September 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 9, 2020 These are fantastic peeks into the creative process, other than being lovely pieces of music. I think Spielberg and JW did the right choice in the end--the final jazzy version is probably the best of the three. It gives the opening a fantastic 1920s feeling. Will, Once, Holko and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 The jazziness is indeed cool, but I'm not sure what you think feels particularly 1920s about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TownerFan 4,983 Posted September 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 9, 2020 The use of the harpsichord might recall Francis Poulenc's Concert Champetre from 1928. There is an overall air that harks back to French composers of that era like Poulenc, Honegger, Milhaud. All of them were strongly influenced by the early jazz music coming from the US (Gershwin, Antheil et al). It makes sense considering the source material and also the setting of the film. Bayesian, fommes and blondheim 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Thank you to Data for sharing. Spielberg and Williams made the right call. Either way, it's all one of the maestro's weaker main title suites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 52 minutes ago, TownerFan said: That jazz-meets-baroque sensibilty. The use of the harpsichord might recall Francis Poulenc's Concert Champetre from 1928. There is an overall air that harks back to French composers of that era like Poulenc, Honegger, Milhaud. All of them were strongly influenced by the early jazz music coming from the US. It makes sense considering the source material and also the setting of the film. Ah, gotcha. I thought you were referring directly to 20s jazz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,275 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Yes, the first alternate is a little meandering, while the second had most of its highlights reincorporated into Snowy's Theme. Still, would be nice to have on an eventual expansion (not holding my breath, doubt we'll see one in the next decade). Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,268 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 I've seen somewhere the first alternate used with footage of the main titles and it works surprisingly well. But I agree the final version is the best, it's actually one of the best JW's main titles ever, IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,043 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 BTW, we got confirmation that these were recorded (along with the unused Unicorn and Thompson/Thomson end credits cues) thanks to the Sony hack from 2014 Included in one of the text files was this track listing Quote 1m01v1_Tintin.aif 1m02v1_TintinandSnowy.aif 1m03alt_Tinker Tin.aif 1s04B_Sur Le Boulevard.aif 1m10v1_PickpocketScene.aif 2m22_Dueling Pirates.aif 4m23B_The Milanese Nightingale.aif 4m24B_The Falcon and the Flood.aif 3m35v1_TheUnicornTheme.aif 3m40v1_TNT.aif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,275 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Jay said: Included in one of the text files was this track listing Simultaneously the most tantalizing but also the most monumentally infuriating list of files ever. A stack of unreleased music in perfect quality, sitting on a Sony server that got hacked and never leaked publicly And you just know the entire sessions were probably alongside those tracks, the text files were likely incomplete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,043 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 It's possible the hackers eventually posted music files somewhere. Who knows >shrug< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,275 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 It's probably floating around in the dark web somewhere but wouldn't know the first thing about searching it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,240 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 3 hours ago, Jay said: Included in one of the text files was this track listing Out of curiosity, do we know if these tracks are all from the 2010 sessions, or a mix of 2010 and 2011? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,043 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Every cue mentioned in the list are from the original 2009/2010 composition, and not the 2011 compositions BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,467 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 On 9/8/2020 at 1:14 PM, Datameister said: I'm sure whoever made these would want to include a disclaimer that they're old mockups and would most certainly sound better if that person were to redo them these days. Can you post first cue again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,043 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Fixed TheUlyssesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,467 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 They are both good cues. The second one I agree is an adaptation of Snowy’s theme concert piece. The first one is a very robust exploration of Tintin’s investigative theme though his heroic theme shows up too. i don’t think either of these could work well as a main title cue. Main titles have to be slightly more strident to grab the viewers attention. The second one probably works for that reason but the first one does not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,043 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: They are both good cues. The second one I agree is an adaptation of Snowy’s theme concert piece. It's the other way around; the Snowy's Theme concert arrangement (which is actually another end credits piece) didn't exist until the 2011 scoring Quote The first one is a very robust exploration of Tintin’s investigative theme though his heroic theme shows up too. i don’t think either of these could work well as a main title cue. Main titles have to be slightly more strident to grab the viewers attention. The second one probably works for that reason but the first one does not. It's possible the proper orchestral recording under Williams' baton (with potentially some podium changes made after the sheet music was written) would have a different impact than these synthetic mockups Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,019 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 It's funny, the first time I saw the film (and heard the score), I was very unimpressed by the main title cue. Vaguely jazzy noodling that didn't get me very excited for the film ahead, I thought. But I eventually found myself loving its slick twists and turns, and it's now one of my favorite tracks on the OST. When it comes to the alternates, I probably prefer the one that revolves around Tintin's themes over the one that revolves around Snowy's theme. (My favorite bits from the latter are the crazy piano solo.) I think it probably would have served the film just as well as the final version, albeit in a different way. One thing I'll say in its favor is that it would have more firmly established Tintin's thematic material from the outset, which would have made it easier for me to pick it out later on. I don't think I even noticed either of those themes at all on my first viewing/listening. In any case, this is all a bit speculative, since as Jay pointed out, a mockup is no match for a real orchestral recording. There's a reason orchestras haven't gone extinct. It's still fun to get a sense of what the unheard music sounds like, but I try not to judge a cue too harshly till I've heard it "for real." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,467 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Tintin’s investigate theme is a bit subtle so can be missed but his heroic theme is hard to miss. Specially in the falcon chase sequence, the statement there is pretty definitive and memorable. The material in the main title cue is singular, it doesn’t appear anywhere else but it is very properly scored and fits the animation very well. It does sneak in Tintin’s heroic theme. The way his theme is stated here can be missed. in contrast for example catch me if you can, it does state that motif very prominently which is used in the film so it stands out. Even just overall Tintin is a dense tapestry of theme so it’s hard to really pick a main theme that would have popped in the main title cue. If anything the main theme could be the unicorn theme but that doesn’t work because the film was to be a franchise. i think given all the circumstances we got a pretty good main title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,205 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 I just watched this with my daughter and we loved it and the music especially. What about the sequel, any news, perfect for JW?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,043 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Sadly it's been 9 years and there's never been any real indication a sequel would actually happen ever since The thread we have for it has no new posts since 2018 https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/21092-the-adventures-of-tintin-sequel-anticipation-thread/ Joni Wiljami and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Pretty crazy that we're coming up on 6 years since PJ's last fiction film and still no announcement of a project in the works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,621 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 6 hours ago, Disco Stu said: Pretty crazy that we're coming up on 6 years since PJ's last fiction film and still no announcement of a project in the works. The film itself is fiction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,833 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 I reckon you could swap Tintin’s “investigative” theme with the Thieves theme from Home Alone and they’d both work in each film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,019 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 5 hours ago, Alex said: I reckon you could swap Tintin’s “investigative” theme with the Thieves theme from Home Alone and they’d both work in each film. Nah, I get what you're saying, but the theme from HA is a lot more sinister to my ear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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