Popular Post publicist 4,643 Posted September 12, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 12, 2018 Interesting interview with JG about religion and its influence on his life and music: Quote With the release of “Star Trek: Insurrection,” composer Jerry Goldsmith has completed his fourth orchestral score for a “Star Trek” feature film. During the past 35 years, the composer has written some of the most memorable film and television music ever. His 100-plus film scores are remarkably diverse, including “Alien,” “Chinatown,” “Basic Instinct” and last summer’s “Mulan.” Born in Los Angeles in1929, Goldsmith studied with Jakob Gimple and Mario Castelnuevo-Tedesco in the 1940s. He went on to write for such television shows as “Gunsmoke” and “The Twilight Zone” before writing his first film score for the 1956 western “The Black Patch.” In a rare break in his schedule — he has written six scores since January — Goldsmith spoke with The Jewish Journal at his home in Beverly Hills. Jewish Journal: How did you begin in music? Jerry Goldsmith: My grandfather gave my parents a piano for a wedding present. I started taking piano lessons when I was 6. More piano lessons, and then I started getting serious about it when I was 12. When I was 14, I really thought I was going to be a concert pianist and I was composing little pieces, and that was it: I decided I wanted to be a musician, wanted to study music. JJ: Has anti-Semitism been an obstacle to overcome in your career? JG: I may have lost some job somewhere along the line because I’m Jewish, but I don’t think so, because most of the people I have worked for are Jewish. It doesn’t necessarily mean anything. There are many self-deprecating Jews out there who are sorry they are Jews. I’m sure it’s there. It has never gone away. There was one old-time director, a great director, and I did his last picture — why am I being coy? He’s dead. It was Howard Hawks. I just read his biography, and it said he was an anti-Semite. It was a shock to me. He was very nice to me. He was very old and sort of out of it, but he couldn’t have been nicer. He gave me a hand-tooled belt as a present. Maybe he didn’t know I was Jewish. I don’t know. I hear more stories about it in the past than I do today. JJ: How has being Jewish influenced your work? JG: I’m very aware of my Jewishness. As I’ve gotten older and older, I find that I’m more secure in it and more comfortable with it. I think my son’s bar mitzvah was the third-happiest day of my life, the first being when I married his mother, then his birth, then his bar mitzvah. My wife has just turned 50 and just got bat mitzvahed. My wife has probably made me more aware of my Jewishness, making sure that we get to High Holy Day services and we light the candles every Friday night and observe the Sabbath to a certain extent. As far as the music is concerned, it’s interesting the two major things that I’ve done were “QB VII” and “Masada.” I just felt like nobody else could have written this music and done what I did. There’s some gene or something particularly Jewish or, at least, that I’m Jewish that I have this affinity for this kind of music that only a Jew can do. It seems like a pompous and arrogant thing to say. I really think that only Jews can relate to this kind of feeling. In the score for “First Knight,” the final battle scene was temp-tracked with the ubiquitous “Carmina Burana.” The director said, “We’ve got to have a chorus singing in this big battle of six or seven minutes.” I didn’t know what a chorus was going to do. He said, “Don’t even bother writing it. We’ll just use the ‘Carmina Burana.'” At that time, it seemed rather a great idea because I was so pressed for time. Actually, it was a combination of my agent and my wife who said: “Don’t do it. Don’t take the easy way out. Do it right.” So I said, “OK, I’ll do music for it, but the chorus has to say something.” So I sat there for hours with the director, who’s also Jewish, and I said, “Give me some words for the chorus to sing, and I’ll get it translated into Latin, and we’ll be off and running.” So we picked the “Shma.” So if you listen to the big battle scene, it’s the “Shma” translated into Latin with orchestra and chorus. JJ: Do instruments belong in the synagogue? JG: Yes, I think so. I find a correlation, a similarity between synagogues and concerts. The trick is to get young people involved. I’ve been a member at Steven S. Wise for 25 years, and there has always been an emphasis on the musical aspect of it. I was shocked the first time I went there and the cantor was playing a guitar, and it was very hip…and they’re constantly writing new music. Michael Isaacson is the music director there and really a beautiful singer. I’d like to write something for it if I have enough time…if only we spoke Latin instead of Hebrew. I think our older liturgical music has been steeped in Christian-sounding music. I used to hear these chorales, as a kid, that could have been used in a Presbyterian church as far as I was concerned. Just translate the words into English. Then I heard some of the new music being written, and it was wonderful, so I went and I saw a lot of younger faces and a tremendous congregation. I didn’t know it could be that way. It caught one of the great aspects of Judaism. And they do instrumental music. I remember, on Yom Kippur, hearing the Kol Nidre on cello. It was very moving. JJ: What is the role of electronics in the classical music of the future? JG: I don’t know yet. My enthusiasm has certainly waned from the mid ’80s, when I thought it was the end-all to everything and the new salvation of music. The role that I had always hoped electronics would be is a means and not an end. I had hoped it would be an adjunct to the orchestra, a new section. As much as I use electronics, in concert I try to use the real thing. Right now, I’m in limbo about electronics. JJ: When Samson lost his long hair, he lost all his strength and was enslaved. What would happen to Jerry Goldsmith if he lost his famous ponytail. JG: I’d be unrecognizable. I’m thinking about getting it cut after this concert season. Who knows? Source: http://jewishjournal.com/old_stories/1351/ Yavar Moradi, Naïve Old Fart, Brundlefly and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TownerFan 4,983 Posted September 24, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 24, 2018 Fantastic arrangement and performance of Gremlins 2 end credits suite! publicist, SteveMc and Kasey Kockroach 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,523 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Its nice to see the orchestra, and conductor, having so much fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 I argue that here we have a good use of electronics, because the timbre in question is indeed something that can really only be produced electronically if it is to be effective. Not a huge fan of the drumkit, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 IMPORTANT PSA — will only take 5 min of your time! http://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/813340-vote-goldsmith-for-kickstarter Yes, we at The Goldsmith Odyssey threw this together in a matter of hours after Intrada’s surprise poll this morning. And yes, we are nuts. Goldsmith nuts. Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Listen to this cue from 1:09 to 2:05 and you will find an undeniable similarity to: I'm especially referring to the first one and a half minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,523 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 If you're going to steal, you might as well steal from the very best Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 I don't mind a few Outland variations with better sound quality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 La-La Land just released a new album that contains a previously unreleased Jerry Goldsmith TV score https://lalalandrecords.com/the-quinn-martin-collection-volume-1-cop-and-detective-series-limited-edition-2-cd-set/ Quote BARNABY JONES (1973–80, CBS) “REQUIEM FOR A SON” Composed by Jerry Goldsmith. Aired 1/28/73. 1. Main Title #1 0:45 2. The Bag Man 2:26 3. Killing 1:36 4. The Office / Condolences 1:32 5. Garage Attack 2:21 6. Ballistics Report / The Ransom / The Client 1:18 7. Bumper 0:04 8. Barnaby Visits McCormick / The Drive-In / Take a Shower / Bad Manners 1:28 9. The Dark Room / The Tail 1:46 10. The Meeting Place 2:43 11. Drop It / The Best in the Business 1:46 12. End Credits 0:30 13. Barnaby #2, 3, 4, 5 2:44 14. Main Title #2 0:49 publicist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 There was a boot of it (missing two or three of these tracks, I think), but this is MUUUUCH better. And it’s a freakin’ great score. Can’t wait for this set. Happy to get the Broughton score too...if he interpolates Goldsmith’s fantastic theme this would be an early example of him doing so long before Soarin’! Anyways I’ve already ordered of course. LLL is on FIRE so far this year with the Goldsmith premieres (this and Archer, which had never been released before even as a boot). I hope Intrada jumps into the fray soon with their own... Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Quote Super rare early Goldsmith industrial film—here's context for that score that's been on bootleg albums for decades: Lukas https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=135412&forumID=1&archive=0 Yavar Moradi and publicist 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 Because of this forum, I learned to appreciate Jerry Goldsmith's music. Here's my physical collection far, my question is... What's next? (I'm not too much into 60s scores...) Star Truck: The Sleeping Picture Expanded Alien Expanded Poltergeist Expanded The Omen Expanded Gremlins Expanded Chinatown Expanded L.A. Confidential OST Rudy OST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 29 minutes ago, Bespin said: Because of this forum, I learned to appreciate Jerry Goldsmith's music. Here's my physical collection far, my question is... What's next? (I'm not too much into 60s scores...) Star Truck: The Sleeping Picture Expanded Alien Expanded Poltergeist Expanded The Omen Expanded Gremlins Expanded Chinatown Expanded L.A. Confidential OST Rudy OST Russia House!!!! Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,523 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 1 hour ago, SteveMc said: Russia House!!!! Fuck, yeah! It's sexy as. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Bespin said: Because of this forum, I learned to appreciate Jerry Goldsmith's music. Here's my physical collection far, my question is... What's next? (I'm not too much into 60s scores...) Star Truck: The Sleeping Picture Expanded Alien Expanded Poltergeist Expanded The Omen Expanded Gremlins Expanded Chinatown Expanded L.A. Confidential OST Rudy OST Total Recall and Basic Instinct, without question https://www.quartetrecords.com/product/total-recall/ https://www.quartetrecords.com/product/basic-instinct/ Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,523 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 +1. Add to that LEGEND, THE BOYS FROM BRAZIL, CAPRICORN ONE, and UNDER FIRE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 I'm curious about Legend, when I watched that film it was the first version including that horrible synth score by Tangerine Dreams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 The Goldsmith version is the first version that Ridley Scott originally had, the Tangerine Dream version came later for the US release Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 Masada (the original album, if you can find it). Although it is an album re-recording, it is much much better than the expanded score Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 The Final Conflict The Great Train Robbery Rambo: First Blood Part 2 The Blue Max Poltergeist Under Fire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 He already has Poltergeist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 In the action adventure genre, Star Trek V: The Final Frontier and The Shadow are absolutely essential, but in their expanded editions Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 The Wind and the Lion The Ghost and The Darkness The Edge The Mummy Twilight Zone: The Movie Supergirl Plus whatever everyone else ☝️suggested. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 Oh man, how could I forget Twilight Zone! That's essential too https://filmscoremonthly.com/cds/detail.cfm/CDID/422/Twilight-Zone-The-Movie/ Yavar Moradi and Bespin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,523 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 44 minutes ago, Jay said: He already has Poltergeist In that case...POLTERGEIST II, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Jay said: He already has Poltergeist Substitute for Night Crossing then! Brundlefly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 4 hours ago, Bespin said: I'm curious about Legend, when I watched that film it was the first version including that horrible synth score by Tangerine Dreams. I just.purchased the bluray, it contains the US theatrical release and the director's cut. Young Tom Cruise, awwwwww... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 The List of Adrian Messenger A Patch of Blue The Blue Max Planet of the Apes (early 90s Intrada if you can find it) Patton Papillon Capricorn One OST The Boys From Brazil Coma First Blood Psycho II OST Under Fire Rambo: First Blood Part II Explorers Hoosiers OST Innerspace Lionheart Rambo III The 'Burbs Medicine Man The River Wild Congo OST First Knight Hollow Man Along Came a Spider Star Trek: Nemesis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,523 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 53 minutes ago, Bespin said: Young Tom Cruise, awwwwww... Young Mia Sara. Fuck me, sideways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 22 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Young Mia Sara. Fuck me, sideways. It's her day off too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuBen_Kenobi 19 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 I recently listened chronologically all my Goldsmith's collection (77 soundtracks) and my favourites are: Chinatown The Wind and the Lion The Omen Alien Star Trek Poltergeist Twilight Zone Gremlins Baby Explorers Hoosiers Innerspace Total Recall The Shadow First Knight The Ghost and the Darkness Air Force One The Edge The Mummy The 13th Warrior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 Jerry is so great that I've sold or traded many scores that some consider his best. It's not that I DISLIKE these, just that I have lots of Jerry I like BETTER! CHINATOWN LP BASIC INSTINCT MASADA QBII EXPLORERS ONE LITTLE INDIAN BOYS FROM BRAZIL POLTERGEIST THE LAST RUN LOGANS RUN ILLUSTRATED MAN ISLANDS IN THE STREAM FIRST BLOOD MEDICINE MAN.... PAPILLION .....and many more! ALL good scores but expendable in my case. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 They all found loving homes , Yavar. I'm not a " bottle capper" 😁 Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 18 minutes ago, bruce marshall said: They all found loving homes , Yavar. I'm not a " bottle capper" 😁 Apparently you throw away the bottles... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 I like them but I've got 30 others I like MORE. I'm a connoisseur, not a collector of fine scores. Jerry must have had to suppress a chuckle when he was asked if he was hurt by anti-Semitism. Obviously , the interviewer lacks pop culture cred! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,072 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 How well regarded is the score to Papillon? @Yavar Moradi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,499 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: How well regarded is the score to Papillon? @Yavar Moradi? I'm not Yavar, but I consider it very highly regarded, as is the film itself...and surprisingly popular. I remember a few years ago, I had to take the subway daily. And every morning for a long period of time, a street musician was playing the PAPILLON theme on his accordion. Jurassic Shark and Yavar Moradi 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,072 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 19 minutes ago, Thor said: I'm not Yavar Huh, one learns something new every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewya 360 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Papillon is well-regarded, but I don't hear it singled out as Jerry Goldsmith's finest. I see that it ranks among his better scores sure, but not at the top, not top 3. Chinatown is easily the most well-regarded Goldsmith score - a score that is more well-regarded than any John Williams score, I think, certainly among luminaries and thoughtful critics. For example, Thomas Newman and Ryuichi Sakamoto both prefer Chinatown over any John Williams score. David Lynch has named it his #1 film score of all time. David Fincher and Steven Soderbergh has singled it out for praise as well. Bruce Broughton's two favourite film composers are Alex North and Jerry Goldsmith: Broughton has named Chinatown his #1 Goldsmith score as well. John Adams has praised it too. Alex Ross, Terry Teachout and Tim Page - three of the most prominent critics of the world named it as a favourite film score as well and also prefer it over any Williams score. It is really rare to see any score get that kind of acclaim from so many notable and thoughtful people. I don't think Williams has a score with that level of acclaim unless I am missing something. And I certainly do not mean what most of the common folk listen to - it is not a popularity contest, I mean what thoughtful critics and luminaries think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,072 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 OK. I recently ordered this. Do anybody know if it's a good release of the score, sound-wise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,499 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Quote Papillon is well-regarded, but I don't hear it singled out as Jerry Goldsmith's finest. I see that it ranks among his better scores sure, but not at the top, not top 3. Maybe not at the very top, but I've usually seen it alongside the other critically acclaimed Goldsmith scores, also by people who aren't necessarily film score fans - it's CHINATOWN, PATTON, PLANET OF THE APES, ALIEN, BASIC INSTINCT. And PAPILLON. They seem to have the biggest 'clout' in terms of artistic signficance. Not so often THE OMEN, STAR TREK, GREMLINS or other more popular fare. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,072 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 I wonder how many of these people were expressing their own opinion, and how many that were just trying to sound discerning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 I am not a fan . That accordion music struck me as cliched. Goldsmith sometimes overdoses the ethnic styling. Sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,072 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Like Shore did in Hugo and JW in The Terminal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 12 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: OK. I recently ordered this. Do anybody know if it's a good release of the score, sound-wise? Had it. Sold it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,072 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Well, at least it was cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Just now, Jurassic Shark said: Like Shore did in Hugo and JW in The Terminal? John Barry rarely does it . To his credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,072 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Actually, they should stop writing film music to avoid insulting people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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