publicist 4,643 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 52 minutes ago, Tom Guernsey said: I agree the Gerhardt and Salonen albums are great but not really extensive enough to be called definitive even if the performances are terrific. A Wind and the Lion suite by Gerhardt would have been one for the ages. Beats extensive. 51 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Of course, there's also the Goldsmith-conducted Telarc album, with the London Frickin' Symphony Orchestra, The Film Music of Jerry Goldsmith. For some reason this never did anything for me. It sounds *off* and neither the arrangements nor the selection are special. Instead of another watered-down Love Theme (Russia House, Forever Young...count your blessings) he should have recorded the long suites of Apes, Star Trek, Islands in the Stream etc. he conducted live with the LSO around the same time. Tom Guernsey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 I reckon there's a good chance the LSO recorded those concerts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,281 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: Of course, there's also the Goldsmith-conducted Telarc album, with the London Frickin' Symphony Orchestra, The Film Music of Jerry Goldsmith. I’ve never really loved this album. It’s fine without being especially great. Dunno what it is. The G conducts G is much better, especially the Gremlins suite which I love. 1 hour ago, publicist said: A Wind and the Lion suite by Gerhardt would have been one for the ages. Beats extensive. For some reason this never did anything for me. It sounds *off* and neither the arrangements nor the selection are special. Instead of another watered-down Love Theme (Russia House, Forever Young...count your blessings) he should have recorded the long suites of Apes, Star Trek, Islands in the Stream etc. he conducted live with the LSO around the same time. Agree on all of the above! Actually I thought the Silva TWATL suite was pretty decent but Gerhardt would have certainly have done a great job. And agreed on the LSO album. The best thing from that and the classical album was to have his handful of concert works on the latter. I should like the hard core stuff but fundamentally I only ever listen to Fireworks! Such a fun piece. And one I usually put on over a random firework display if I’m watching one from home. publicist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Here’s a fun little quiz for diehard Goldsmith fans (to be able to get all of them at least). Name the Goldsmith score given three track titles from the soundtrack: https://www.sporcle.com/games/proudscoregeek/jerry-goldsmith-scores-by-track-titles There’s also one for Williams which I found much easier https://www.sporcle.com/games/proudscoregeek/guess-the-john-williams-score-by-track-title Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Like a true diehard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,179 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Disco Stu said: Here’s a fun little quiz for diehard Goldsmith fans (to be able to get all of them at least). Name the Goldsmith score given three track titles from the soundtrack: https://www.sporcle.com/games/proudscoregeek/jerry-goldsmith-scores-by-track-titles There's two I can't place, but there doesn't seem to be a way to skip an entry or proceed to the next one without giving the correct answer, so I can't finish it… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said: There's two I can't place, but there doesn't seem to be a way to skip an entry or proceed to the next one without giving the correct answer, so I can't finish it… I believe you can type the answers in any order you want? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,179 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 29 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: I believe you can type the answers in any order you want? You mean I can type any random album name and it'll just put it where it matches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Just now, Marian Schedenig said: You mean I can type any random album name and it'll just put it where it matches? Yep! Just start typing random Goldsmith scores as guesses if you like! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,179 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 16 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Yep! Just start typing random Goldsmith scores as guesses if you like! That should make things… easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,281 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 3 hours ago, Disco Stu said: Here’s a fun little quiz for diehard Goldsmith fans (to be able to get all of them at least). Name the Goldsmith score given three track titles from the soundtrack: https://www.sporcle.com/games/proudscoregeek/jerry-goldsmith-scores-by-track-titles There’s also one for Williams which I found much easier https://www.sporcle.com/games/proudscoregeek/guess-the-john-williams-score-by-track-title They should do an Elfman one where every track title clue is “Final Confrontation”. Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,508 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Howzabout a general composer quiz, where every track is called The Hunt? Tom Guernsey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 Fuck. Yes. But holy crap what a boring movie. (for some reason @Holko came to mind as someone who would like this cue) blondheim and Naïve Old Fart 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Disco Stu said: (for some reason @Holko came to mind as someone who would like this cue) Huh, you're not wrong! I like the separate elements and their juxtaposition, some parts really remind me of something, did he semi-knock himself or someone else off or did one of you already "make me" listen to stuff from this score? I guess it's pretty STTMP-ey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marian Schedenig 8,179 Posted October 31, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Disco Stu said: Fuck. Yes. One of Goldsmith's very very best. There's also this sublime piece: And of course the best cue called The Hunt. Brundlefly, Naïve Old Fart, Disco Stu and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 Just now, Marian Schedenig said: And of course the best cue called The Hunt. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 26 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said: One of Goldsmith's very very best. There's also this sublime piece: And of course the best cue called The Hunt. Yes! I’ve been listening to the whole soundtrack for the first time this weekend (and watched the snoozefest movie). He was just on fire in this period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Yavar Moradi 2,593 Posted October 31, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 31, 2021 Period in question: 1957-2003 (1956 had some pretty good stuff too, but not Black Patch/1489 Words good.) Yavar Raiders of the SoundtrArk, Disco Stu and Edmilson 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,508 Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 I agree with @Marian Schedenig... except that I'd take out the words "one of" THE FINAL CONFLICT is not as well regarded as THE OMEN (even DAMIEN: OMEN II has its moments), but it's a film that isn't afraid to take chances. I know of no other set of films that charts the rise and fall of the antichrist, and the second coming of Jesus. You have to give the filmmakers kudos for sticking to their vision. Personally, it's my favourite of the series, aided, in no small part, by Jerry's superlative score. I couldn't fault it, if I tried. There's a YouTube video that has a live version of The Final Conflict. My giddy aunt: the orchestra and choir play and sing their hearts out. I'm reduced to tears, every time I watch it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,179 Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: I agree with @Marian Schedenig... except that I'd take out the words "one of" I used to. But he's really written too many top scores to single out one, even this one. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,342 Posted October 31, 2021 Author Share Posted October 31, 2021 3 hours ago, Holko said: Huh, you're not wrong! I like the separate elements and their juxtaposition, some parts really remind me of something, did he semi-knock himself or someone else off or did one of you already "make me" listen to stuff from this score? I guess it's pretty STTMP-ey. The Meld? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 Geez, this guy is basically composing the same piece over and over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,179 Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 28 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Geez, this guy is basically composing the same piece over and over again. I told you he was influenced by Bruckner. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,508 Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 33 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Geez, this guy is basically composing the same piece over and over again. Eejit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 5 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said: One of Goldsmith's very very best. There's also this sublime piece: It's really a unique piece and the accompanying chords in the lower register don't sound like Goldsmith at all, but like something that would be played in a church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 The Final Conflict is one of Jerry's career-best. We are almost at Under Fire and Gremlins, the masterpieces. I like Final Conflict better than The Omen. Shoot me. It was the first Jerry I ever bought. (Only because I couldn't find an original pressing of Under Fire for the right price. Nemesis was next for the same reason. I'm not mad though. Deserving scores and albums both, both HIGHLY under-rated.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,179 Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 36 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: It's really a unique piece and the accompanying chords in the lower register don't sound like Goldsmith at all, but like something that would be played in a church. It's one of the pieces where I really think Goldsmith was (consciously or unconsciously) channelling Bruckner. The sombre tempo, the religious tone, the cello arpeggios, and the horn melody are straight out of his playbook. blondheim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 Very Bruckner, yes. My love of Bruckner is what finally got me to "get" Goldsmith and connect with much more of his work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 [Now listening to my previously untouched Bruckner CD] blondheim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 11 hours ago, blondheim said: I like Final Conflict better than The Omen. Shoot me. You'll have to ask Alec Baldwin about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,508 Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 11 hours ago, blondheim said: I like Final Conflict better than The Omen. Shoot me. There'll be no shooting, here . While THE OMEN is the most effective score of the trilogy, all three have merit. DAMIEN: OMEN II is the most playful of the three, and THE FINAL CONFLICT is the most operatic, in keeping with its subject matter. I like all three, but THE FINAL CONFLICT is not only my favourite of the trilogy, it's my favourite Jerry score, period. bruce marshall, Yavar Moradi and blondheim 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,281 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 Quick question... is the original Masada album a re-recording or just excerpts from the full score? I have the splendid Intrada complete set and wondering if the original album is therefore redundant Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, Tom Guernsey said: Quick question... is the original Masada album a re-recording or just excerpts from the full score? I have the splendid Intrada complete set and wondering if the original album is therefore redundant Thanks! It's a re-recording of selected pieces done in London at the time, and it's head and shoulders above the tinny tv recording, recording wise, but also in the more measured performance. Romão 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,281 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 31 minutes ago, publicist said: It's a re-recording of selected pieces done in London at the time, and it's head and shoulders above the tinny tv recording, recording wise, but also in the more measured performance. Thanks for confirming. I didn't think the original music tracks sounded too bad but certainly the re-recorded tracks do sound better (guess that was the clue it wasn't the same lol). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,593 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 I think the original film recording of Masada was very well performed by the LA musicians, and it includes a TON of great music not included on the 37 minute London album recording... that said it does sound much more "TV quality" as released on the Intrada 2 CD set from over a decade ago. Maybe that sound quality could be drastically improved if new sources are found, and modern mastering tech brought to bear. The album recording has only ever been released on CD by Varese Sarabande, and alas, they drastically screwed up the mastering (processing one side of the LP differently from the other side of the LP, for one thing!) I don't remember all the details, but it too is much in need of a revisit on CD. The question is: what would push the film recording of Masada to THREE discs? (Obviously the UMG-owned album recording would be put on its own disc, as happened with the UMG-owned Patton album recording.) Yavar Tom Guernsey and Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 On sale! ( what was the list price?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,593 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 List price was $19.95, so this is half price. A great deal, for anyone who doesn’t already have this! The gorgeous four movement suite from The Red Pony is worth $9.95 on its own, IMO… Yavar Marian Schedenig and bruce marshall 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 Yeah. As i have the ost of GUN, the RP suite was a big selling point ( along with the price). I'm not really familiar with it so I'm hoping for a pleasant surprise! Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,179 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 Hour of the Gun didn't do much for me, but that Red Pony suite is a must have. bruce marshall and Yavar Moradi 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,593 Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 6 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said: Hour of the Gun didn't do much for me, but that Red Pony suite is a must have. Hour of the Gun is a score of more subtle pleasures. Revisit it every now and then and I think it’ll really grow on you. Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Yavar Moradi said: Hour of the Gun is a score of more subtle pleasures. Revisit it every now and then and I think it’ll really grow on you. Yavar Is the additional score of high quality or just recapitulation? Another reason for buying rerecorded scores is they are usually arranged in suite style. No short cues😁 On 09/11/2021 at 9:07 AM, Tom Guernsey said: Thanks for confirming. I didn't think the original music tracks sounded too bad but certainly the re-recorded tracks do sound better (guess that was the clue it wasn't the same lol). I had the complete score for MASADA before the official release. It didn't knock me out. I did like Stevens contributions but this baby went to a.home that better appreciated it. It's worth watching. O' Toole is in top form😊 t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,593 Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 13 hours ago, bruce marshall said: Is the additional score of high quality or just recapitulation? Another reason for buying rerecorded scores is they are usually arranged in suite style. No short cues😁 The entire score is very very good… again it’s quite a dark score (this is the same basic story as Tombstone after all!) and I don’t think it’s as immediately engaging and enjoyable as many other Goldsmith westerns… but it’s one of those that the more you listen to it, the more you notice and appreciate about it. It gets under your skin; today it’s one of my favorite Goldsmith western scores, period. I think it’s a masterpiece. One other thing to point out is the Tadlow uses the full original film orchestrations. The film recordings themselves are lost (there’s a music and effects track put out to by Twilight Time but there are a lot of effects) and the existing half hour album recording uses reduced orchestrations because it was recorded with a smaller orchestra than the film (same situation as with Waxman’s Taras Bulba). So since both albums are essentially re-recordings… the Tadlow is actually more faithful to the original film score. But the half hour album recording is conducted by Goldsmith himself so IMO they are both must owns. I consider The Red Pony a masterpiece too but it’s a far more immediately enjoyable one. Yavar bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 Is this the film? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,593 Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 Yes I think so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Yavar Moradi said: Yes I think so You " think"? 😄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,593 Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 12 hours ago, bruce marshall said: You " think"? 😄 I still haven’t seen the film. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom Guernsey 2,281 Posted February 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 12, 2022 I guess what would have been Jerry's 93rd birthday was rather overshadowed by the real life birthday of his more famous colleague, but having decided I would listen to scores from JW's decade birthdays (2012, 2002, etc. back to 1962), I decided I do the same for Jerry in his honour and memory... So, from 1962, Lonely Are the Brave which I know is a favourite of @Yavar Moradi and while it's definitely a fine effort and plenty of Goldsmithian touches, but I can't say it struck me any more than any of his other western scores of the period. The sound seems kinda mono... but kinda not. Or was it that 3 track type thing they used to do (like with Jaws?). Will given Freud from the same year a listen at some point as I honestly don't recall anything about it... I assume it sounds just like Alien ;-) From 1972 I went for Anna and the King which, apparently, was a sitcom (somehow). I honestly had no idea. Have to admit that this is fairly incidental stuff, nice though it is. Given that his body of work at that point was already very impressive (Planet of the Apes, Patton, The Sand Pebbles, The Blue Max amongst others), his 1972 roster was very TV heavy and not exactly thrilling TV at that. I mean Papillon came in 1973 so perhaps he stored up all his energy for that magnificent effort. Compared to a relatively modest offerings of those two years, 1982 has an embarrassment of riches... First Blood, Night Crossing, The Secret of NIMH and Poltergeist are all pretty much Jerry classics covering the whole gamut of his more sweeping romantic style from horror, to animation, action and, well, however you'd classify Night Crossing. The latter will always have a special place in my collection as that's the score he signed when I met the great man in 1990something in London and, even without that connection, it's still a great score and appears to be the source for half of James Horner's action tropes from the 80s (I might be exaggerating a little... but only a little). I don't think much else needs to be written about the other three, absolutely terrific. Given the occasionally shonky performances he had to endure due to budgets, all of those four have absolutely stellar sound and performance. On the flip side, Inchon, also from 1982 is definitely less than amazing sonically, but you do feel like you're sitting in the orchestra rather than it surrounding you as a unit. Mr Baseball isn't exactly one of his best efforts (I think it gets picked as a lowlight), but it's still breezy fun, although someone with his talent shouldn't have been wasting his time on crap like this. Still, it makes you appreciate his "proper" sports scores in Rudy and Hoosiers. I gave The Public Eye another listen and have to admit that it's more an interesting curiosity than a forgotten classic... I got a lot more out of Mark Isham's replacement effort if I'm honest. Still, nice to hear it if nothing else. Of course 1992 also gave us Basic Instinct, Forever Young, Love Field and Medicine Man. You'd think that would be more than sufficient for one year. 2002 gave us his last Star Trek score with Nemesis and, perhaps one of his least inspired from the series. Then again, he didn't exactly have much to work with. As I've noted numerous times, this is Star Trek without even attempting any awe and wander, it's just a sci-fi action adventure film. The main theme is decent enough and there's some fine action writing, but a lot of somewhat nondescript and gloomy suspenseful material that just isn't all that interesting. His best two Trek scores didn't accompany great movies (for different reasons) but the films tried to say something and provide some spectacle and grandeur, which was something he could latch onto and then provide where the movie couldn't put it on screen (The Final Frontier particularly) but Nemesis doesn't really give him much at all so it's very much a case of doing the best with the material available. The Sum of All Fears (or as Yoda's maths teacher would put it, the fear of all sums) has a terrific main theme, given an exceptional outing in The Mission. Where JW has written numerous tracks that require little arrangement to turn them into a concert piece, this wasn't really Jerry's forte but The Mission is easily concert worthy as it stands. The rest of the score is a bit more standard suspense and action, but a solid late work. OK I wrote way more than I meant to... JGFan forever. ;-) publicist, Yavar Moradi, Jurassic Shark and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,342 Posted February 12, 2022 Author Share Posted February 12, 2022 Nemesis is good. I like it. Naïve Old Fart and blondheim 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,508 Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 So do I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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