BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alicebrallice 134 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 ledger's joker is overhyped and overrated. landa is brilliant! BINGO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,495 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 I agree. Landa is one of the very best villains in the last 10 years. I like Bardem's villain in NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN too.As for Ledger's Joker, it's good, but not even in the same league as Nicholson's original, IMO. Then again, Jack is my favourite actor of all time, so I'm biased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 I love the last film Joker. A lot. A lot a lot a lot. Overrated? Nah. I love the Joker because he's really well writen, really well used, really well acted and he's funny and scary at the same time.Buuut I think I like Inglorious Basterds more as a film. It's my favourite film of 2009. So I'm going with Hans.Edit: what, we've got editing tags? I don't like it, I'm always correcting my posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Yeahbutno. I hate to seem like a TDK fan boy, which I am not even, but Ledger performance was pretty incredible. He's not even recognizable under the performance(I'm not referring to the make up.) Every time I watch the film, I try to hear Ledger's voice in it, but I honestly can't. The performance is superior to Waltz'. While I do think he did a great job, there isn't much about the Landa character that required a great performance. I suspect Waltz only won an oscar because of the quality of the character in the script.As for how they were written, while I think they are closer in this respect, the Joker is still far superior. He is the only character that is treated really seriously in the whole film, so give him that much credit. While I was familiar with the Joker before TDK, I was always on my toes as to what he would do next. It was really brilliantly done. Landa is great too, but the perfoormance gives the Joker the edge.I just can't believe anyone would pick Hans Landa, when he is CLEARLY the inferior of the two. The fact that people keep mentioning the Joker is overrated and the faux quote in the first post makes me think most of you just have butt hurt that The Dark Knight is so popular and just gave it to the less popular of the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 I prefer Landa because the way he was written and staged had me in more tension than The Joker.I've noted The Joker usually gets a different reaction from people. As if the audience was on his side. Which is also fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 17, 2012 Author Share Posted April 17, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 I prefer Landa because the way he was written and staged had me in more tension than The Joker.I've noted The Joker usually gets a different reaction from people. As if the audience was on his side. Which is also fantastic.I figured there were some people with legitimate reasons, but looking at the first three posts, all calling Ledger over hyped (which you acknowledged he wasn't) and then feeling the need to compare him to Jack Nicholson, I don't get impression their reasoning is as earnest, but I guess maybe that's just my interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Landa by a hair. Ledger's Joker is amazing though (lol Nicholson). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alicebrallice 134 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 I figured there were some people with legitimate reasons, but looking at the first three posts, all calling Ledger over hyped (which you acknowledged he wasn't) and then feeling the need to compare him to Jack Nicholson, I don't get impression their reasoning is as earnest, but I guess maybe that's just my interpretation.well, I like landa more simply because the effect he had on me was heavier and more complex. I loved him, I hated him, he made me laugh, he made me shudder, he fascinated me at the same time as he disgusted me. ledger's joker just didn't have that effect on me.of course they're both very well written, and TDK is a great movie, and I can understand the ledger-joker hype to a certain degree, but that's about it. got a problem with that!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Inglorious Basterds has amazing scenes (the tavern scene, among others), but it feels like a lot has been cut off, and because of that, the movie feels unfinished. It could have used a bit more scenes with the Basterds (we don't even know their names! Well, most of them).Completely agreed! You can see some of the deleted scenes in the film's trailer. I wish Tarantino would release them all like he did with Pulp Fiction! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane 0 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Landa. Ledger gave a great, twisted performance as the Joker, but the character wears his evil on his sleeve. His appearance alone would give anyone the creeps. Landa, at first glance, appears normal until he starts speaking. He has that air of forced civility about him. It's like he's wearing a mask that almost fits, but not quite. You can still glimpse what's underneath. Get rid of the uniform and put him in civvies, and from a distance nobody would guess what he was, which is exactly why Pitt's character marks him at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 I still haven't seen Inglorious Basterds, but I can't help but feel that Ledger's Joker is lauded to the extent that it is simply because the man died shortly thereafter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 I don't believe I've ever seen a film with him before TDK, his death did not affect me in any way. Yet I thought his performance was superb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 I'd never seen him before either and I loved him in the trailer pretty much instantly. (It was then when I realized Batman Begins existed...). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 I don't believe I've ever seen a film with him before TDK, his death did not affect me in any way. Yet I thought his performance was superb.You should see Monster's Ball, you'd like itThe Brothers Grimm and Immaginarium of Doctor Parnassus are interesting as well.10 Thigns I Hate About You, Knight's Tale, and The Patriot are probably what he's most known for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alicebrallice 134 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 don't forget brokeback mountain and casanova! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 10 Things I Hate About You, Knight's Tale, and The Patriot are probably what he's most known forI saw the bookends plus bits and pieces of the middle one; 10 Things is actually a good movie.But I think his legacy will be none of these. His legacy is the Joker and one half of the cowboy couple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 I don't believe I've ever seen a film with him before TDK, his death did not affect me in any way. Yet I thought his performance was superb.You should see Monster's Ball, you'd like itThe Brothers Grimm and Immaginarium of Doctor Parnassus are interesting as well.10 Thigns I Hate About You, Knight's Tale, and The Patriot are probably what he's most known forI don't feel he really shined in any of those. Brokeback Mountain might be better if you're looking for some Heath Ledger exposure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,006 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 I'd say Day-Lewis' Daniel Plainview is more striking, terrifying and memorable than either of them. And so is Javier Bardem's Anton Chigurh, for that matter.And yes, Ledger gives a much better performance in BM.I find Inglourious Basterds quite unremarkable (exceot for a few scenes). The word "Fake" comes to mind.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,042 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Ledger for me, but Christoph Waltz did a fine job, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Ledger for me too.I think I just prefer the movie DTH over IB too. IB is not one of my favorite Tarantino movies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 17, 2012 Author Share Posted April 17, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,192 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Both are great. But Hedger's Joker is, intentionally, rather one dimensional in his chaotic madness... no matter what he does, he's always pretty much the same. Landa on the other hand is much more varied and thus more interesting emotionally, especially when he goes for very subdued threat.Though I have to repeat that as great as Waltz is in Basterds, Mélanie Laurent is easily his equal.I find Inglourious Basterds quite unremarkable (exceot for a few scenes).For me, Basterds deserves the rating "remarkable" like very few other movies do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Basterds is fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 I liked it a lot when I first saw it, but haven't been able to watch it properly since, which is a theme with every QT movie bar JACKIE BROWN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,006 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Jacke Brown is fantastic. His best one.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Jacke Brown is fantastic. His best one.KarolI love almost every Tarantino movie.Pulp Fiction, Reservoir Dogs, Jackie Brown, Kill Bill, and even Death Proof.IB wasn't bad, but it just didn't impress me very much like the other movies did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,495 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 INGLORIOUS BASTERDS was the best film of that year, IMO. Much due to Waltz' performance, but not only.TDK was a great film too, but not on the same level.So we're basically talking degrees of 'goodness' here. None of it is unremarkable or bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Ledger by far, though the nazi guy was fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Joker was one note and uninteresting. I never got the feeling there was a human being there somewhere.With Landa I could actually see the man who was doing all these 'evil' things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 If a performance is good, it's good. It's not like it's quantifiable or measurable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 If a performance is good, it's good. It's not like it's quantifiable or measurable. Only a simpleton would think that!Ledger by far, though the nazi guy was fineI think it's kinda ironic that an Austrian-German plays a Nazi and wins an Oscar!Makes you wonder what his father or grandfather was... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Wow, uncool bro! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Well, I am not accusing him or his family of anything, of course.I just thought (like many others) that it's kinda ironic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 well Bruce Willis was very good as John McClane because McClane is an American character and Willis was born n the USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 well Bruce Willis was very good as John McClane because McClane is an American character and Willis was born n the USA.I don't follow your logic. What are you trying to say?That Waltz was very good as SS Hans Landa because Waltz was a Nazi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 No that's what you are saying! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 No that's what you are saying!No, you moron!I said it's kinda ironic. But I have no idea what you are trying to say with that Bruce Willis comment (and anyway, Willis was born in Germany!)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Lewis 6 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Landa, by a long long shot. I never really got the Joker in The Dark Knight. He is the one that advocates chaos and the futility of planning with a series of carefully planned disruptions of a specific established order, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Well, I am not accusing him or his family of anything, of course.I just thought (like many others) that it's kinda ironic...I don't think you understand what irony is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 I think Ledger's performance is more nuanced. Those of you who have called his performance one note clearly haven't watched his performance. His performance elevated TDK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 I think Ledger's performance is more nuanced. Those of you who have called his performance one note clearly haven't watched his performance. His performance elevated TDK.Heath Ledger is probably the best thing about DTK!Without him . . . well, it would have been just another BB! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 19, 2012 Author Share Posted April 19, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 I voted for Ledger! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 19, 2012 Author Share Posted April 19, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,006 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 It's interesting to note that most people who voted for the Joker are American, whereas most of those who voted for Landa are from Europe. Mmmmm....What did you just call me?Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 19, 2012 Author Share Posted April 19, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 "most of people" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Yeah, but you don't count. You're from Neverland. Your country is not in Europe. It only exists in dreams.Like Brigadoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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