TheUlyssesian 2,103 Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 And HOW differently?Came across this random thread on IMDB http://www.imdb.com/.../flat/199195987 asking which was the Best Nominated score of 2011.The responses were such8 votes for Tinker Tailor Solider Spy3 votes for The Artist2 votes for Hugo2 votes for War Horse2 votes for TintinThose who rank, rank the 2 Williams mostly the lowest. If the option was Girl With The Dragon Tattoo, that would be undoubtedly be No. 1 as would Social Network be for a similar poll conducted for 2010. They think Social Network is one of the greatest scores ever written. Other constant favorites are Drive and Black Swan.My response can only be WTF?!?!?Surely people are not deaf? I know for a fact that outside the soundtrack-listening niche, the two Reznor-Fincher scores are considered cutting edge and a brilliant innovation of film music. I personally think judging purely by compositional value, such scores are irredeemable failures.Even cinephiles seem to have no idea what great film music is. Do you think we who listen to film scores are literally removed from the norm and living in another universe, figuratively? Like there are oceans between the way of appreciating things concerning this particular genre of music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 6,294 Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 Well, non-listeners don't like orchestral music in films because they can't relate to it, contrary to what we believe in.At some point it'll change.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 783 Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 I have wondered about how the uninitiated, as I will call them, listen to music, versus how we listen to music. I think as far as orchestral music goes, part of it is to look for and enjoy the subtleties. People I know who don't listen to orchestral music, and I'm sure this is generalizing, seem most interested in having something to play in the background, rather than to actually focus on the music. Maybe that's what they expect out of film scores, and, in that case, ambient scores like Drive, The Social Network, or Dragon Tattoo really fit the bill. The don't pull attention away from what you're doing. While it's orchestral, TTSS does seem in its own way just to fall to background noise the same way, not really pulling my attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 388 Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 John Williams's obdurate fidelity to dated cinematic sensibilities is charming but ultimately self-defeating. Modern audiences are rejecting the hysterical orchestral melodrama and ostentatious symphonic fireworks that dominate his tin-eared approach to scoring. Such methods have been superseded by a more sophisticated style that jettisons histrionics, embraces subtlety, and luxuriates in gritty verisimilitude. Whereas conventional orchestral music distractingly hails and gesticulates from afar, ambient music presents, almost imperceptibly, as if a whisper or a nudge, insinuating itself into the very interstices of perception and consciousness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 6,294 Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,286 Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 they aslo like 'faux' orchestral works, but when they are simple catchy tunes easy to digest.In other words, POTC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 152 Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 I don't know if 17 people are accurate representations of the entire non-soundtrack community.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ren 75 Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 I would agree Indy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 783 Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 No, but it's certainly representative of particular trends I have noticed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,519 Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 John Williams's obdurate fidelity to dated cinematic sensibilities is charming but ultimately self-defeating. Modern audiences are rejecting the hysterical orchestral melodrama and ostentatious symphonic fireworks that dominate his tin-eared approach to scoring. Such methods have been superseded by a more sophisticated style that jettisons histrionics, embraces subtlety, and luxuriates in gritty verisimilitude. Whereas conventional orchestral music distractingly hails and gesticulates from afar, ambient music presents, almost imperceptibly, as if a whisper or a nudge, insinuating itself into the very interstices of perception and consciousness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 5,273 Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 I don't know if 17 people are accurate representations of the entire non-soundtrack community..I would argue the same thing.In general, I'm not surprised that scores by artists with a previous rock/pop/electronica association is more popular than something traditional and orchestral. That just goes with the territory.That being said, I think we should be careful to not drive a wedge between 'us' as some secret society with all the right answers and 'them' as a dumb crowd who don't know their own best. Taste is taste, and picks will invariably reflect that, despite the level of exposure or knowledge. Personally, I'm just as fascinated and interested in stuff like DRAGOON TATOO, SOCIAL NETWORK etc. as I am orchestral music. I thought DRIVE was the best score last year, for example, even moreso than Williams' WAR HORSE and TINTIN.So that's another thing one should be careful with right there -- that you don't have to be a rock/pop/electronica hater just because you also like orchestral film music. It's actually possible to like both WAR HORSE and SOCIAL NETWORK at the same time -- even as a hardcore soundtrack fan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 490 Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 And it's also possible to see how the awesome War Horse blasts off the speakers while Social Network is just standing there except for the hilarious Grieg quote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 5,273 Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 And it's also possible to see how the awesome War Horse blasts off the speakers while Social Network is just standing there except for the hilarious Grieg quote.Sure. Just goes to show that we're as eclectic a group as any, with many different preferences among us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,286 Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 Well some prefer this than that, but i wouldnt call us eclectic in the wide orchestral view.Really, the most wild choices belong to you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airmanjerm 77 Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 Regardless of who likes what kind of music, keep in mind that many people out there in the worldwide web will vote for a score based solely on how they liked/disliked the film. They may think the score to a particular movie was the best score of all time, meanwhile they couldn't hum a bar of it to save their life. (No matter whether it was Reznor or Williams.) But hey, the CGI was just kick-ass...so the music must have been awesome too, right? I like to think that they are above that sort of pettiness, but sometimes I wonder if some of the Academy voters don't vote the same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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