chuck 154 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Deconstructing Goldsmith was one of the more incisive venues during the heyday of film music review sites. I for one appreciate receiving a small slice of that here.I'm a recent-ish Goldsmith convert and reading some "deconstructive" criticisms in this site have been much obliged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QMM 4 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Marc Webb has said that the lizard has a 4 note motif. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted June 19, 2012 Author Share Posted June 19, 2012 LOL. If your source is this thread, that was a joke made by BloodBoal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Marc Webb has said that the lizard has a 4 note motif.It was originally a three note motif, but the last note was cut off and two grew back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Why, thank you! Even i had forgotten about it... I actually sort of meant to compliment your critical comments...albeit in a backhanded way. But yeah your comments generally tend to be more critical than praising, to the point of making you take on a bitter grouch caricature in my head, on top of a guy being eaten by a shark.But you are actually very consistent in your assessments and criticisms. With most people here, I could say "bet if it was John Williams you'd say it's original.". And they probably would. But I can't say the same for you, because you would call a rehash no matter who the composer. Heck I seem to remember you being one of the few people who don't see Schindlers List as a ground breaking technical work.I disagree with you on this score, and I still imagine you as a mean Scrooge grouch character. But I know it's just because you have discerning and consistent taste. Not because you are an evil contrarian or fanboy. DarthDementous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Heck I seem to remember you being one of the few people who don't see Schindlers List as a ground breaking technical work.Schindler's List as a ground breaking technical work? Who says that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 All the people who heard Star Wars and Indiana Jones and thought Schindlers List was some fresh monumental artistic work. You know cause it has soloists and stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post publicist 4,643 Posted June 19, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted June 19, 2012 Elliott Goldenthal once said rightly, IMHO (!), that 80% of what the different arts produce every year is shit - and he included himself. But he did go on saying it was worth it for the remaining 20%. Jerry Goldsmith capped that off with his commentary on the HOLLOW MAN dvd, where he mumbled in his inimitable way that 'if you get 1 or 2 worthwile musical sequences out of a big Hollywood movie, you are lucky'.This is a relative truth, though, with people hunting for 3-hour bootlegs of ARMAGEDDON or whatever, but basically it means that not every SPIDERMAN score that comes along must be gazed at with reverence just because it's crowding the summer theaters. So i'm as gullible as the next man regarding scores i really love (more precise: parts of scores, as i don't find more than a handful worthwile sequences in most), but find it much more fun to engage in internet banter to stir the pot a little than to gush about things i enjoy most in the quiet solitude of my own little iPhone earplug world. BLUMENKOHL, Hlao-roo and crocodile 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 All the people who heard Star Wars and Indiana Jones and thought Schindlers List was some fresh monumental artistic work. You know cause it has soloists and stuff.I think the film transcends the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 All the people who heard Star Wars and Indiana Jones and thought Schindlers List was some fresh monumental artistic work. You know cause it has soloists and stuff.It must have been a blissful world in 1993...when minor string chords and melancholic woodwinds still were in the 'experimental' stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 All the people who heard Star Wars and Indiana Jones and thought Schindlers List was some fresh monumental artistic work. You know cause it has soloists and stuff.It must have been a blissful world in 1993...when minor string chords and melancholic woodwinds still were in the 'experimental' stage.We've already gone through our differences with this score before publicist, but I continue to rank Schindler's List as my favourite Williams' score and his best artistic achievement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck 154 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Heck I seem to remember you being one of the few people who don't see Schindlers List as a ground breaking technical work.Schindler's List as a ground breaking technical work? Who says that?Most likely BloodBoal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Elliott Goldenthal once said rightly, IMHO (!), that 80% of what the different arts produce every year is shit - and he included himself.Williams also said that, but I think that percentage was even higher (98% or something like that). Of course a gentleman like Williams wouldn't use the "shit" word. So the said "poo".Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 I sure would have asked politely which of his own works he considers poo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 If I remember correctly he singled out Jane Eyre and Close Encounters as his favourites back then (was it the interview when he took over directing Boston Pops?). So, by deafult, the rest would be a fecal part of his resume.Karol publicist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 I always knew STAR WARS was overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 I find this score underwhelming. The main theme isn't too good and there's too much synth drums all over the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tannhauser 101 Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 I quite like it. I think the main theme is very good, the balance of colour with vocals, synth and percussion is interesting. And no danger motif! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Chris Taylor12 minutes agoDid I read this correctly? JAMES HORNER DID THE SCORE FOR THIS FILM? I WANT MY TICKET NOW PLEASE!!!!!http://www.hollywood...m-review-340662 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 I was travelling a lot lately (to visit old friends and other things like that) and it so happened that I started to replay this melody again and again in my mind. Happened more than once. But couldn't quite locate what it was. And then I gave this score a listen yesterday and it turns out it was the main theme from The Amazing Spider-Man. Definitely a grower and very well used in the score itself to define both Peter and the web crawler. Now I like it better than Elfman's.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 The film itself is getting some really good reviews at this early stage. Horner's score gets mentioned in a few. I have to listen more, I may want it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 So, what's up?Anyone seen and heard it yet?Didn't it open today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wycket 36 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Its released on July 3rd stateside. I'm not sure about the rest of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 In Germany, it was released today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 So, what's up?Anyone seen and heard it yet?Didn't it open today?publicist liked it quite a bit from his mini review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 Okay guys, seen it. The movie is good. Solid but ordinary. The earlier one was much better.The music though - I must say Horner's theme works very very well in the movie. He uses it almost constantly, whenever Spidey appears and even for Parker. By the end of the movie you will remember every note. Its a really good theme in the context of the movie, haven't heard the score on album so can't comment much about that.One complaint would be that it is a tad to optimistic, so even when it is played during darker scenes, it can sound slightly anachronistic. Also its a melodic theme unlike Elfman's kinda progression like theme. Consequently I think Eflman's theme gave a greater sense of scope since Horner's theme while good is not a total knockout. But again, very satisfying within the movie itself. The rest of the score was also good.I'd say chalk this up as second to John Carter amongst the summer scores. Its better than Brave's score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 Bought the score today and listened to it several times to get a good impression. I have to say, it is really somewhat surprising that, while the movie is certainly more hip and more targeted towards a teen audience than the Raimi films, the score goes in the opposite direction. To me, Horner's score is a bit more conservative compared to Elfman. Lengthy portions of the album actually remind me of Elfman's Hulk.What is really annoying to me is the overbearing use of piano tingling. It gets on my nerves. Did someone figure out a theme for the Lizard? Is it the ethnic wailing sound? Haven't seen the film yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 Did you like it then?Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 What is really annoying to me is the overbearing use of piano tingling. It gets on my nerves. Did someone figure out a theme for the Lizard? Is it the ethnic wailing sound? Haven't seen the film yet.Yes does the Lizard have a theme at all? I miss memorable bad guy themes, and not just in superhero scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted June 29, 2012 Author Share Posted June 29, 2012 According to a poster on FSM:I'm really digging this. Nothing will ever top Elfman's two scores for me but I'm really surprised how much I'm enjoying it.No Lizard theme stands out though, which is a shame since all the other villains had good themes, especially Doc Ock.There's a horn motif for the Lizard. It's played in Metamorphosis, The Bridge, and Oscorp Tower.andAny way you can provide times? Thanks!On Oscorp Tower you can listen to it at 2:38 (and played like in The Bridge). In Metamorphosis is played as a string ostinato. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 Interesting. Perhaps we are witnessing the birth of a new "danger motif" here. I'll certainly be listening to this score a few more times this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 It's used very slyly, though.I like it much more than Elfmans, which i never warmed up to. It should be noted, however, that Horner and hip samples are not the most harmonic of couplings, the whole thing is rather dishearteningly simple in construction but as far as big summer blockbuster scores go, it's the most entertaining in a long while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 Did you like it then?KarolI like it quite a bit actually.I don't remember particular highlights though, even if "Saving New York" and "Oscorp Tower" are ferocious and splendid action setpieces.I do remember, however, a prominent Star Trek fanfare (could be from "Enterprise Clears Moorings" if I remeber correctly) in "Becoming Spider-Man" and Titanic's Leaving Port synth choir motif in a later cue It's definitely worth pointing out that this superhero film for once is not influenced by Remote Control at all. And that alone is worth the album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Because James Horner is also Dr. Horner, specialising in musicology. His knowledge is unmatched by most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Because James Horner is also Dr. Horner, specialising in musicology. His knowledge is unmatched by most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 654 Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 A thoroughly mediocre score to a thoroughly mediocre movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonStar 57 Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Just got back from the movie, which I personally found quite disappointing. Horner's score was certainly one of the better points of the film for me - it's mixed quite prominently and helps in propelling forward quite a few poorly-paced portions in the film. I've begun to appreciate the main theme much more after experiencing it with the visuals now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComposerEthan 8 Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 I just saw it, and the movie was a little eh. Definitely funny, since I'm a teenager. About the score, I felt that the main theme was reminiscent of the CBS news theme Horner did. Peter's theme on the piano, I feel, could have been more expanded on, and that at some points, the score didn't fit in well properly with the scene. In particular, it was the part where Peter tells Gwen his involvement with Dr. Connors. The french horn plays the Spider-man theme, making it seem heroic, but the scene was very sad and guilty. At one part, where he looks at the cranes, the very fake choir plays, along with percussion, which sounds almost ripped from Titanic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Yeah, it is odd, but strangely, I love this bit because I know it is Horner and I expect it publicist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wycket 36 Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 I like the score but I agree that it doesn't always fit in the film. The theme, while nice, to me is a little too romantic sounding and felt really out of place to me during the school fight. I think that maybe if it was arranged differently there maybe it could have worked. Personally, the music feels far more like Star Trek than Spider-Man to me, but I'm sure it will grow on me. I kept waiting for Elfman's theme to kick in, as its one of my favorite themes of the past decade, and I was even holding out hope during the final swing, but alas, reality snuck in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComposerEthan 8 Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 I agree. I love the theme, but it doesn't seem Spider-Man to me. It's very heroic, but I absolutely love Elfman's theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Why is Elfman's Spider-Man theme so great all of a sudden? I thought like 90% of the film score fanbase had a hard time even locating it. They even did a whole podcast on this subject (FSM that is). I like those scores (in fact I like all four) but there is nothing special about this theme at all.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 All of sudden? I've been loving that theme for years... I noticed it perfectly when seeing the films for the first time, do people really hav a hard time with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Saw the film today. Hadn't listened to the score at all beforehand, but have been humming the main theme all day. So that's something.The film was good. I think I prefer the Raimi originals on a storytelling level, but this one had some beautiful and often very funny character work. I've been feeling kind of superhero-ed out over the last few years, but this was probably my favorite of the genre since The Dark Knight. Definitely liked it more than any of the Avengers films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wycket 36 Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Why is Elfman's Spider-Man theme so great all of a sudden? I thought like 90% of the film score fanbase had a hard time even locating it. They even did a whole podcast on this subject (FSM that is). I like those scores (in fact I like all four) but there is nothing special about this theme at all.KarolThe theme is hardly hard to hear. Spider-Man and the sequels were one of the few franchises that actually had opening credits in the past decade, with the theme playing full blast. I never had any trouble identifying any themes or motifs from the Elfman scores. Anyone who says otherwise are just trying to cause troubling or haven't seen the films more than once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Why is Elfman's Spider-Man theme so great all of a sudden? I thought like 90% of the film score fanbase had a hard time even locating it. They even did a whole podcast on this subject (FSM that is). I like those scores (in fact I like all four) but there is nothing special about this theme at all.KarolI never had a problem with spotting the theme. It's actually very recognizable, to the point where any mainstream nut with no clue about film music whatsoever could point it out. Elfman's theme was just the perfect embodiment of Spiderman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Horner's score is Amazing, it's in the title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Funny. Would you similarly describe John Ottman as having written a Fantastic score several years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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