Josh500 1,615 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 In your opinion, which track is better? Meaning, which moves you more, which do you think is a more creative, original composition, which do you listen to more, which does fit the theme of the respective movie better, etc.?To be honest, I couldn't decide. If forced to make a decision, I will probably choose HTTF, partly because I love the movie Saving Private Ryan more. But these are both classic dramatic JW masterpieces, if you ask me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 797 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Both are awesome. Couldn't decide either. Beautiful stuff from Williams' late 90's output. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Easily TIBET, RYAN sounds somewhat forced and a bit too syrupy for my tastes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted September 19, 2012 Author Share Posted September 19, 2012 One thing that should be noted is that the second part of SYIT is (comparatively) not as dramatic and memorable as the first part, or HTTF.Still, that's part of the piece, and it seems to tell the whole story... Harrer's journey, if you will.Both are awesome. Couldn't decide either. Beautiful stuff from Williams' late 90's output.Indeed! I am hoping for something (almost) as powerful for Lincoln.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Actually Seven Years in Tibet piece explores the two main thematic ideas of the score, the dramatic partly tragic and emotional theme for Heinrich Harrer and his journey and the calm, meditative and serene theme for Tibet/Dalai Lama and as you say Josh almost tells the story of the film in the running time of the suite.And I can't decide either. Both are wonderful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted September 19, 2012 Author Share Posted September 19, 2012 I wish people would force themselves to decide! I know both are wonderful, but my question was which is (slightly) better, in your opinion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 "Hymn To The Fallen" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Both breathtaking pieces belonging to incredibly boring scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted September 19, 2012 Author Share Posted September 19, 2012 Both breathtaking pieces belonging to incredibly boring scores.I find "Regaining a Son" and "Omaha Beach" almost equally interesting and impressive, in a more quiet way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted September 19, 2012 Author Share Posted September 19, 2012 5:4!Anybody else who wanna cast their votes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJosh 892 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 I vote Hymn to the Fallen. The softer sections, the brass soli inparticular are what really get me. I love that brass soli with those rich chords ringing out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted September 19, 2012 Author Share Posted September 19, 2012 I vote Hymn to the Fallen. The softer sections, the brass soli inparticular are what really get me. I love that brass soli with those rich chords ringing out.I agree. Good choice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 I vote Seven Years in Tibet. Both cues are great pieces of music. But I love the majestic, sweeping melodramatic writing of the former more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 This thread reminded me that I have to check out Empire of the Sun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted September 20, 2012 Author Share Posted September 20, 2012 Seems like "Seven Years in Tibet" is the winner!Maybe I should have added "Theme from Angela's Ashes" here as well, but I have a feeling that this doesn't quite reach the level of these 2 masterpieces (although TFAA is amazing, as well, of course). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 I vote Hymn to the Fallen. The softer sections, the brass soli inparticular are what really get me. I love that brass soli with those rich chords ringing out.I agree, that part is really great and sincere. The part that slightly bothers me is when Williams starts to Spielberg it up at the end (Give me more! More! More! And bigger!). It's sounds too grand, almost glamorous and the arrangement is too much Williams opening his toolbox again.Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Hymn to the Fallen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 I agree, that part is really great and sincere. The part that slightly bothers me is when Williams starts to Spielberg it up at the end (Give me more! More! More! And bigger!). It's sounds too grand, almost glamorous and the arrangement is too much Williams opening his toolbox again.AlexIt gets too close to Morricone in those moments, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted September 20, 2012 Author Share Posted September 20, 2012 I vote Hymn to the Fallen. The softer sections, the brass soli inparticular are what really get me. I love that brass soli with those rich chords ringing out.I agree, that part is really great and sincere. The part that slightly bothers me is when Williams starts to Spielberg it up at the end (Give me more! More! More! And bigger!). It's sounds too grand, almost glamorous and the arrangement is too much Williams opening his toolbox again.AlexYeah, the climax at the very end (right before it gets quiet again) seems to be slightly over the top, I have to agree. That was my first impression too.But you get used to it and that's really nitpicking, IMO. In every other respect, this piece is as close to perfect as you can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,686 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 I see it as a case of Williams abandoning his film score hat, and just saying, 'to hell with it', and really belting out at the end.I prefer Tibet overall. It's a much more varied piece, and although I don't think any of it reaches the emotion of 2:45 onwards in Hymn, I find it functions more as an honest piece of music than Hymn, which is dripping with patriotism and sugar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted September 20, 2012 Author Share Posted September 20, 2012 I don't think any of it reaches the emotion of 2:45 onwards in HymnYou know, I couldn't agree with you more there. I love how this passage is repeated at 3:02, this time with soft pizzicato strings accompanying the strings, as well as the melancholy trumpet fanfare (almost a cry) halfway through it. Brilliant.But I don't agree with you and some others who call this piece, or parts of it, sugary or sappy. It's very emotional, yes, but never too over the top. But then, some people call any direct expression of honest and deep emotion sappy... so it doesn't surprise me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 any direct expression of honest and deep emotion is sappy...I honestly and deeply hate evil people.Aww, that's so sappy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,263 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Seems like "Seven Years in Tibet" is the winner!Maybe I should have added "Theme from Angela's Ashes" here as well, but I have a feeling that this doesn't quite reach the level of these 2 masterpieces (although TFAA is amazing, as well, of course).I can't decide wich one I prefer... but had you included "Angela's Ashes" to the mix, then I would have a winner Not saying it is better than the two others, just that I like it best! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted September 20, 2012 Author Share Posted September 20, 2012 any direct expression of honest and deep emotion is sappy...I honestly and deeply hate evil people.Aww, that's so sappy... Good one!I can't decide wich one I prefer... but had you included "Angela's Ashes" to the mix, then I would have a winner Not saying it is better than the two others, just that I like it best!Really?Hmmm, I gotta say, on the AA soundtrack, my favorite piece is "Angela's Prayer." I think that should have been the main theme... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,263 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 I can't decide wich one I prefer... but had you included "Angela's Ashes" to the mix, then I would have a winner Not saying it is better than the two others, just that I like it best!I love the whole score so much... and even more with the narration (I know I'm basically alone on that one), that beats almost anything else, at least to me.Really?Hmmm, I gotta say, on the AA soundtrack, my favorite piece is "Angela's Prayer." I think that should have been the main theme... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Looks like you put your new content inside your quote of Josh's post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted September 20, 2012 Author Share Posted September 20, 2012 Looks like you put your new content inside your quote of Josh's postBy the way, what's your pick, Jason?I love the whole score so much... and even more with the narration (I know I'm basically alone on that one), that beats almost anything else, at least to me.Yeah, I understand what you mean.I have both versions, actually: the Sony Classical and the Decca versions. So I really don't mind the narration, because I can to listen to the one without anytime... Without the Decca version, yeah, I'd've been pretty angry at Sony, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Never seen Seven Years in Tibet or heard the score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted September 20, 2012 Author Share Posted September 20, 2012 Never seen Seven Years in Tibet or heard the scoreGet outta here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 It's true. Though I just bought the soundtrack, to bundle with The Long Goodbye and Studs Lonnigan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,686 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 I don't think any of it reaches the emotion of 2:45 onwards in HymnYou know, I couldn't agree with you more there. I love how this passage is repeated at 3:02, this time with soft pizzicato strings accompanying the strings, as well as the melancholy trumpet fanfare (almost a cry) halfway through it. Brilliant.But I don't agree with you and some others who call this piece, or parts of it, sugary or sappy. It's very emotional, yes, but never too over the top. But then, some people call any direct expression of honest and deep emotion sappy... so it doesn't surprise me.I find the sheer volume of the choir overbearing towards the end - I think that's my main problem with the piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Yes, the high note that the choir sings is too loud too. It's like 'someone' pushed the volume fader two notches at that point because it still needed to be 'bigger'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Louder..... More intense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Spielberg shouldn't be allowed in the mixing room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 He wants to be sure to feel that emotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Jean Luc Picard say's sleep Data sleeeep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 He wants to be sure to feel that emotion.J.J. Abrams would've topped it though. He would've added the sound of breaking glass during the high note. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 By far, Seven Years in Tibet. The Hymn to the Fallen was never one of my favorite pieces. In fact, I prefer the other theme from Private Ryan. It's a bit subtler, ultimately more effective for me. Hymn is also a very...Williamsy Americana-ish piece? Just imagine people singing "America!" during it. Tibet is neat exotic romantic Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Both pieces are too predictably melodic and staidly orchestral for my taste. I prefer the subtle, sophisticated sound design of Cliff Martinez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Ofcourse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maglorfin 196 Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 I shall never forget my first viewing of Saving Private Ryan when the shock caused by this masterpiece only hit home when the end credits - and with them Hymn to the Fallen - started rolling, and that was when the tears finally rolled down my cheeks. So it's pretty evident which piece gets my vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 The war scenes were good, especially the first time, when impact is at its greatest.Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 They film is best when character aren't ramming their point home . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted September 29, 2012 Author Share Posted September 29, 2012 I shall never forget my first viewing of Saving Private Ryan when the shock caused by this masterpiece only hit home when the end credits - and with them Hymn to the Fallen - started rolling, and that was when the tears finally rolled down my cheeks. So it's pretty evident which piece gets my vote. Agreed.They are both masterpieces, but I very slightly prefer HTTF, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,516 Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Both pieces are too predictably melodic and staidly orchestral for my taste. I prefer the subtle, sophisticated sound design of Cliff Martinez.An interesting comment. "The Limey", "Drive", and "Solaris" are excellent, and "Traffic" is, quite simply, one of my favourite film scores ever.I do think that there is room in the marketplace for both types of music, though.As to the poll: "Hymn To The Fallen" beats "7YIT" by a country mile (how long is that, anyway?), but I do like both "Approaching The Summit", and "Wade's Death". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 They film is best when character aren't ramming their point home .That's what she said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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