Perseverance Records re-issuing The Witches Of Eastwick OST (La-La Land Records can make expanded version once it sells out)

[Holko 9,491]

Is it all non-JW source music? Previously existing recordings, not new arrangements or anything?

[Edmilson 7,369]

8 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said:

Pirate!

[crumbs 14,287]

No source music on the imaginary future expansion once Robin's licence no longer perseveres, CONFIRMED! 

[Bespin 8,472]

The classical piece we hear in that movie "key scene" is the Cello Concerto in B minor (Allegro) written by Antonín Dvorák.

 

The Nessun Dorma version we hear, is a previously released version, well I think (Mehta and Pavarotti).
 

 

 

[crumbs 14,287]

It'll be listed in the end credits if it's an existing recording.

[Richard Penna 3,665]

Not necessarily. If it's stock music it may not be.

 

Will this be another case where an expansion happens, and the omission of one source cue which may or may not be Williams, causes mass carnage?

[Bespin 8,472]

Only to say that, remove the source music from the score and some parts will be missing.

 

That's what I said: good luck with that!

[Richard Penna 3,665]

Do you just mean we'll hear the score and it may not sound how people are used to because the source isn't there? That's a fact of life for score fans.

 

As soon as you're in the realm of source music, or any sort of non-score material, a producer is in an unwinnable position.

[Brundlefly 2,385]

1 hour ago, Richard Penna said:

Surely an expansion would solve that just by ignoring the source music and presenting the score as written. Like Intrada did with Tension; The Kiss from BTTF.

Nope it's not like that. Williams' music is a continuation of the classical piece, they're not layed over one another.

[Holko 9,491]

1 hour ago, Richard Penna said:

Surely an expansion would solve that just by ignoring the source music and presenting the score as written. Like Intrada did with Tension; The Kiss from BTTF.

I still hate that they completely omitted iconic unique music arranged and recorded specifically for the movie with unreleased film mix elements. Not that T; T K shouldn't have also been included separately, but what the hell. And then they reissue it by nixing half the material. And even that second disc included badly performed early takes like Clocktower instead of later at least somewhat refined ones (surely with an entire day dedicated to it they got better?).

2 minutes ago, Brundlefly said:

Williams' music is a continuation of the classical piece, they're not layed over one another.

Does JW's material pick up from a stock/licensed recording or did he rerecord it himself? In the latter case the solution obviously has to be its inclusion.

[Brundlefly 2,385]

It is synced to the picture. It must have been recorded for it.

[Jurassic Shark 12,008]

Or the picture was cut to match an existing performance.

[Brundlefly 2,385]

It is like the A.I. situation, where a non-Williams piece is integrated into a Williams piece in a way, so that it just doesn't make sense to omit the "source music" part which is, in fact, not even source music.

 

The boot cuts the non-Williams part out and we have an ugly fade in there.

[Richard Penna 3,665]

It's not like T; TK isn't available as a combo... it's on the OST.

[Holko 9,491]

2 minutes ago, Richard Penna said:

It's not like T; TK isn't available as a combo... it's on the OST.

Nope, that's the straight full song without the film guitar. And even then the Intrada would be lacking music recorded specifically for the film, T; TK was never meant to be a straight film cue but a partial overlay.

[Richard Penna 3,665]

All that is assuming that they were legally/financially able to use something by another artist. They said at the time that their costs were 'enormous', so maybe only Silvestri-composed material was on the table in order to make the project doable at all.

 

31 minutes ago, Holko said:

And then they reissue it by nixing half the material. And even that second disc included badly performed early takes like Clocktower instead of later at least somewhat refined ones (surely with an entire day dedicated to it they got better?).

 

They reissued it as a single disc as they hit their maximum units on the original release, but wanted to keep the score in print somehow.

 

http://store.intrada.com/s.nl/it.A/id.9907/.f?sc=13&category=21780

 

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Due to the incredible popularity of that original release (which sold the maximum number of units allowable under license and is now out-of-print), Intrada is proud to offer, in cooperation with Universal Pictures, a follow-up release containing just the contents of the first disc in that set, which features the score as heard in the film.

 

[Jurassic Shark 12,008]

That sounds like the upcoming Jaws re-release...

[Holko 9,491]

22 minutes ago, Richard Penna said:

They reissued it as a single disc as they hit their maximum units on the original release, but wanted to keep the score in print somehow.

Doesn't mean that I have to like that they took the shortest cut and released a dexpansion. How many other reissues came out with less material?

[Richard Penna 3,665]

I'm sure some people complained about them including the second disc as they thought it was increasing the price.

[Jurassic Shark 12,008]

This way Holko won't have to listen to the bad take of The Clocktower.

[Bespin 8,472]

I'm currently reworking my DVD rip, now that I almost master the compression tool in Audacity... My previous work on that rip was not at my taste.

 

If I remember well, there's ALOT, but I mean ALOT of micro music cues.

 

Again, I say: Good luck with that!

[QuartalHarmony 541]

34 minutes ago, Bespin said:

now that I almost master the compression tool in Audacity

You and your compression! Don’t get me started…

[Faleel 5,326]

7 hours ago, Holko said:

that second disc included badly performed early takes like Clocktower instead of later at least somewhat refined ones (surely with an entire day dedicated to it they got better?).

 

Since it was done by MM, there must not have been anything better, or the good takes were too damaged or something

 

EDIT: Okay, actually MM just did "additional mastering"

[Bespin 8,472]

Cheat with alt takes to restore a missing/damaged part of a recording, and calling it "Additonal mastering".

 

Seems legit!

[BrotherSound 2,241]

On 9/5/2021 at 11:07 AM, crumbs said:

Gotcha. And the only known alternates would be the ones that differ on album to the film?

 

I see there's a cue list available.

 

There's a few things missing from that cue list, including some hints at possible alternates:

 

1m1 The Township of Eastwick

2m2 It's Raining

2m3 Darryl's Entrance

2m4 Must Have Been Dreaming

3m1 Dropped Flower Pot

3m2 Shop Lady Forgets

3m4 What's In a Name

4m1 The Seduction of Alex

[4m2] Dvorák No. 1

4m2b Felicia in Hospital

4m3a Suki Buys Flowers

[4m4] Dvorák No. 2

6m2 The Tennis Game

7m2 The Seduction of Suki

7m2 New Ending

7m3 The Balloon Scene

7m3 New Ending

7m2a Felicia Flips

8m3 Have A Cherry!

9m1 Have Another Cherry!

8m3 The Earth Erupts

9m1 New - Darryl in the Rain

10m2 The Reconciliation

11m1 Maleficio

10m2 Inflicting Pain

10m1 Relief for Suki

10m4 New - Playing in the Kitchen

10m4-11m1 Sticking Pins

11mAX New Start

11m2 Darryl Chokes

11mX "I Wish I Knew" The Wild Ride Home

11m4 The Destruction of Darryl

[11m4 Insert] Levitation

[12m1] The Baby's Carousel

[12mY] End Credits

 

Also, the City of Prague recording of the Balloon Scene matches the original 7M3, without the revised ending that's on the OST and used for the Boston Pops recording. Additionally, there's also an optional alternate extended coda included in the score of the original 7M3, so there's potentially two alternates for this cue, depending on what actually got recorded.

 

10m4 New - Playing in the Kitchen has previously been identified as the second half of the OST track 'Darryl Arrives', but it's much, much shorter than what's heard there, which doesn't seem to be in the sheets at all. I wonder if this was something recorded specifically for the album, especially with the splashy "concert ending". The bootleg track 'Voodoo Witches' matches the written 10m4 New.

[crumbs 14,287]

Very cool! So this should be a decent expansion one day. How long roughly would you say the complete score is? 

[BrotherSound 2,241]

11 minutes ago, crumbs said:

Very cool! So this should be a decent expansion one day. How long roughly would you say the complete score is? 

 

Somewhere around 70 minutes, I'd say. One CD is probably enough, unless there's a significant amount of material missing from the sheets.

 

I also just realized 'Levitation', though it oddly has no cue number attached, appears to be an insert for 'The Destruction of Daryl' and accounts for that alternate version. The OST has 11m4 as written, and the film version has a middle section replaced with 'Levitation'.

[Dr. Rick 1,155]

https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=145419&forumID=1&archive=0

 

 

Perseverance has moved

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to Colorado. The new address is

2525 Loon Circle
Castle Rock, CO 80104

Email, Web and phone stay the same.

We love it here.

 

 

Hopefully their entire remaining stock of WoE was lost in transit and therefore their license expires.... 

[A. A. Ron 1,736]

Hey, they’re less than an hour away from me now!

[Marian Schedenig 8,154]

16 minutes ago, A. A. Ron said:

Hey, they’re less than an hour away from me now!

 

You know what to do.

[E-Wan 65]

Is Perseverance Records re-issue finally sold out?

 

I can't find it at their shop!

 

https://perseverancerecords.com/releases.html

[Jay 37,266]

The only references to it I found on their website are this:

 

"August 03, 2015
Witches of Eastwick Soon to be OOP!
Our 50th release has 5 copies left. Once they are gone, they are gone. Sigh!"

https://perseverancerecords.com/78-witches-of-eastwick-soon-to-be-oop.html

 

"August 15, 2018
Two of Our Best Selling WEA Titles are Back in Stock
Don't worry, we still stand by our promise that these titles will see a pressing of only 3000 units. So far we are at 2000 (once this new batch sells out). 

First off is John Williams' Aademy Award nominated score to "The Witches of Eastwick". Secondly, the highly successful soundtrack to the scariest movie of all time, William Friedkin's "The Exorcist". 

Dig in. And, while you're at it, browse through or Used/ open/ one-of-a-kind/ promo catalog listings. "

https://perseverancerecords.com/217-two-of-our-best-selling-wea-titles-are-back-in-stock.html

[Jurassic Shark 12,008]

So they'll soon announce the final batch, or their license has expired.

[BrotherSound 2,241]

4 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said:

So they'll soon announce the final batch, or their license has expired.

Let’s hope it the later! They’ve had this score locked down for a decade, and I’d love to see what La-La Land or Intrada could do with it.

 

Releases don’t always coincide with anniversaries, but this does happen to be the 35th anniversary of the original release of The Witches of Eastwick.

[crumbs 14,287]

The press release also mentions their deal with WB to reissue the score was for "a few years." Come October this year, it's been a decade. 

 

So maybe it was a ten year licence and it expired when we rolled into 2022, before they sold out of their allocation?

 

We can hope... 

[Jurassic Shark 12,008]

25 minutes ago, crypto said:

The press release also mentions their deal with WB to reissue the score was for "a few years." Come October this year, it's been a decade. 

 

They probably meant to write a few decades...

[BrotherSound 2,241]

I did a complete breakdown of the OST on another thread: 

 

Here’s what’s unreleased that could potentially be included on a future expansion (and I hope the time is finally ripe!):

 

2M2 It’s Raining 0:30 [unused]

2M4 Must Have Been Dreaming 1:00 [unused]

3M1 Dropped Flower Pot 0:10 [unused]

3M2 Shop Lady Forgets 0:34 [bootleg track 3]
3M4 What’s In A Name 1:58 [bootleg track 4]

[4M2A] Dvorak No. 1 0:45 [bootleg track 6 0:00-0:23, only ending is used]

4M2B Felicia In Hospital 2:37 [bootleg track 6 0:23-end]

4M3A Suki Buys Flowers 0:45 [unused]

[4M4] Dvorak No. 2 1:00 [bootleg track 7, faded early]

7M2 New Ending 0:15 [unused]
7M2A Felicia Flips 0:53 [bootleg track 10]

7M3 The Balloon Scene 0:35 [original ending replaced by insert]

7M3 Coda (If Desired) 0:30 [optional extension to original ending]
8M3 Have A Cherry! 0:51 [bootleg track 11]
8M3 [New] The Earth Erupts 2:00 [bootleg tracks 13 and 14, partially unused]

12MA [10M1 New] Relief for Sukie 1:35 [bootleg track 17]
10M4 New - Playing in the Kitchen 0:23 [bootleg track 18]

11MAX New Start 0:15 [unused]
11M2 Darryl Chokes 0:42 [bootleg track 20]
[11M4 Insert] Levitation 1:30 [bootleg track 22 0:39-1:34, partially unused]

 

Approximately 18-19 minutes unreleased, depending of course on if everything was recorded. We have no way of knowing about any of the cues marked ‘unused’ yet.

[bruce marshall 1,314]

JWFANS desperately want an expansion that would add Eighteen minutes of mostly  short cues...............

 

 

 

[mahler3 478]

Those of us as old as me will remember the first DVD 📀 pressing of this in America (the old cardboard snap case Warners used) had the score isolated in 5.0 as a listening option.

 

Naturally it was then bootlegged by a random bogus label called Eastwick Records as a limited edition of 666 copies!🤪

 

A proper release is long overdue! 

[BrotherSound 2,241]

1 hour ago, bruce marshall said:

JWFANS desperately want an expansion that would add Eighteen minutes of mostly  short cues...............

 

Actually, yeah! Why not?

 

There’s more atmosphere and scene-painting in the first 35 second cue of ‘The Mission’ than most composers achieve their whole careers:

 

 

I’d also happily buy a SpaceCamp expansion just for ‘Arriving at Daedalus’, all 43 (glorious!) seconds of it…

 

 

[crumbs 14,287]

4 months later and still no trace of this score being available on the Perseverance store.

 

Would be fantastic if their license finally expired after 10 years and LLL can progress with a new expansion!

[Faleel 5,326]

On 04/02/2022 at 8:22 PM, BrotherSound said:

 

Those who know, know @Naïve Old Fart

 

 

 

[bollemanneke 3,334]

I do hope any expansion would include the source music, though. It's so great.

[Jurassic Shark 12,008]

Nessun Dorma is great.

[Naïve Old Fart 9,489]

13 hours ago, bollemanneke said:

I do hope any expansion would include the source music, though. It's so great.

WHAT. THE. ACTUAL????!!!!!

 

13 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said:

Nessun Dorma is great.

It might be, but not in context. It replaced - no, usurped - one of the greatest pieces of music that JW ever composed. Ever!!!!!

[bollemanneke 3,334]

Woooow, sorry, my mistake! I was referring to the other music! Not that piece.

[Naïve Old Fart 9,489]

You mean the piece heard at the concert, or the piece that Nicholson and Sarandon play at her home?

[Jurassic Shark 12,008]

1 hour ago, Naïve Old Fart said:

It might be, but not in context. It replaced - no, usurped - one of the greatest pieces of music that JW ever composed. Ever!!!!!

 

True.

[Naïve Old Fart 9,489]

Of course it's true. Eejit 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Naïve Old Fart said:

You mean the piece heard at the concert, or the piece that Nicholson and Sarandon play at her home?

That piece is on the iso, on the UK DVD (be aware;  the UK Blu Ray does not have the iso).

[Yavar Moradi 2,576]

On 18/04/2022 at 10:05 PM, crumbs said:

4 months later and still no trace of this score being available on the Perseverance store.

 

Would be fantastic if their license finally expired after 10 years and LLL can progress with a new expansion!

 

The problem is that now WB is difficult/much more expensive to deal with. That's why The Adventures of Batman and Robin was promised by LLL on a poster YEARS ago and still hasn't come out. Even The Swarm which came out a few years ago had been in the works for 6 years or so, I think.

 

Yavar