Art critic Camille Paglia: RotS is the greatest work of art in the last 30 years

[indy4 152]

http://www.vice.com/...e=vicetwitterus

Q: Well, what about Revenge of the Sith? You say it's the greatest work of art, in any medium, created in the last 30 years. It’s better than... uh, Matthew Barney or Rachel Whiteread or Chris Ware or Peter Doig?

A: Yes, the long finale of Revenge of the Sith has more inherent artistic value, emotional power, and global impact than anything by the artists you name. It's because the art world has flat-lined and become an echo chamber of received opinion and toxic over-praise. It's like the emperor's new clothes—people are too intimidated to admit what they secretly think or what they might think with their blinders off.

[BloodBoal 7,532]

[Quintus 5,391]

Must be one of those brave unique souls Alexcremers was on about.

[BloodBoal 7,532]

[crocodile 6,294]

Here's the full review of the film.

She compares the Mustafar duel John Williams' music to a Black Mass.

Karol

[BloodBoal 7,532]

[BLUMENKOHL 1,064]

She doesn't believe video games are art.

Fuck her.

[BloodBoal 7,532]

[BLUMENKOHL 1,064]

Not like that you oaf.

[Thor 5,273]

Cool! I love it when people say stuff like that (whether I agree or not). Go Camille!

[Quintus 5,391]

What about when an eminent critic mauls Jurassic Park - do you love that as well?

[JoeinAR 1,759]

she's a fking idiot. Laughably so.

[Quintus 5,391]

Couldn't agree more. She sounds like a complete divy.

[Brónach 490]

This sounds like she's just trying very hard to be noticed.

[BLUMENKOHL 1,064]

It worked!

[crocodile 6,294]

Still, you have to admit it's been a while since you were entertained by a film review.

Karol

[JoeinAR 1,759]

it wasn't entertaining, it was sad, what a stupid ****.

[Brónach 490]

it wasn't entertaining, it was sad, what a stupid ****.

Cunt?

[crocodile 6,294]

He gave her four stars, basically.

Karol

[Muad'Dib 1,514]

She's Angela Morley!

[stewdog1 50]

I'm just going to assume the the quote in the OP is about JW's music...

[AC1 3,565]

Damn, I'm still sheep after all.

On the other hand, I probably never hated it as much as everyone else at JWfan.

She doesn't believe video games are art.

Fuck her.

Why? Perhaps it doesn't do what she believes art should do.

[Koray Savas 2,095]

Art doesn't have to anything.

[AC1 3,565]

I can't speak for her, but she might disagree with you on that, Koray. If art doesn't do anything, then it's probably not worthy of being called 'art'. The reason why we remember a painting, a piece of music or a video game is because it does something.

Alex

[Koray Savas 2,095]

It's unfortunate that definitions aren't a matter of opinion then.

[AC1 3,565]

Despite what the dictionary says, it's undeniable that the word 'art' is used in two ways. Maybe it's time that the dictionary gets updated on that.

[King Mark 2,924]

Maybe it's just a statement to ignite discussion in geek forums

[Koray Savas 2,095]

Despite what the dictionary says, it's undeniable that the word 'art' is used in two ways. Maybe it's time that the dictionary gets updated on that.

Maybe it's time that people stop being stupid.

[BloodBoal 7,532]

[Koray Savas 2,095]

Yeah, didn't have to write a 10 page review to stir people up.

[AC1 3,565]

Despite what the dictionary says, it's undeniable that the word 'art' is used in two ways. Maybe it's time that the dictionary gets updated on that.

Maybe it's time that people stop being stupid.

I've heard it so many times, and from people who are a lot smarter than you and me. Especially to artists, not everything is art.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

I agree with Cremers

[Koray Savas 2,095]

This is a fact that cannot be disputed. I don't care if Hawking uses the word in an improper manner.

[AC1 3,565]

I'm not even sure whether the word 'art' only has one meaning.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

I'm sure it doesn't, but not EVERYTHING can be art. The point about art is that it somehow distinguishes itself from the mundane

[Quintus 5,391]

Koray would answer that with "one person's mundane is another's art". It's a clause which always gets thrown around in this debate, even if I find it it to be utter bullshit and no different to saying "Transformers 3 can't really be shite if someone is moved by it."

Nothing statements as a form of arguing tool are no different to weasel words on Wikipedia.

[Koray Savas 2,095]

Everything can be art if it fits the criteria of the definition. It's not a complicated matter, you all just incorrectly think it's something more than a noun.

I've explained it before. You don't say "That film is not art." It doesn't make sense in the English language. Instead you say, "That film is not very good," which is the same as saying, "That film is not very good art." The latter is redundant which is why the former is more commonly used to evaluate art.

[Quintus 5,391]

Tbh the definition of what art might be is of little interest to me. What matters most is that I never let the definition cloud my judgement when watching Revenge of the Sith.

[Incanus 5,519]

Art has nothing to do with the skill or even some kind of abstract values or aesthetics or that it isn't mundane. It is what the current artistic circles consider art.

I can put a cardboard box in a gallery and put a name tag on it and call it art and it is art as much as Michaelangelo's works or anything by Bernini. It may not be as fine as those works but undeniably it is my own expression and the fact that it is in the gallery it is certainly accepted as art. What and what is not art is usually defined not by the masses but those who choose the canon of significant art.

It is another matter if you consider it personally acceptable as art.

But I would have to disagree with Camille on ROTS.

[BloodBoal 7,532]

[Incanus 5,519]

And what brilliant piece of art you are BloodBoal. You should be canonized.

[BloodBoal 7,532]

[Koray Savas 2,095]

Tbh the definition of what art might be is of little interest to me. What matters most is that I never let the definition cloud my judgement when watching Revenge of the Sith.

Art, by definition (), cannot cloud anything. Revenge Of The Sith is still a bad movie, but it's art. I said the same thing for Transformers 2 and you loved that post so much you made it your signature. Don't get why you feel differently now.

Art has nothing to do with the skill or even some kind of abstract values or aesthetics or that it isn't mundane. It is what the current artistic circles consider art.

I can put a cardboard box in a gallery and put a name tag on it and call it art and it is art as much as Michaelangelo's works or anything by Bernini. It may not be as fine as those works but undeniably it is my own expression and the fact that it is in the gallery it is certainly accepted as art. What and what is not art is usually defined not by the masses but those who choose the canon of significant art.

It is another matter if you consider it personally acceptable as art.

But I would have to disagree with Camille on ROTS.

Finally a sane person!

[Quintus 5,391]

This post is art.

Yeah, modern art.

Have you seen some of the shite that has won the Turner Prize

Koray, I believe my signature was meant as a piss take

[BloodBoal 7,532]

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

What's a noun?

[AC1 3,565]

Revenge Of The Sith is still a bad movie, but it's art.

[Quintus 5,391]

Art has nothing to do with the skill or even some kind of abstract values or aesthetics or that it isn't mundane. It is what the current artistic circles consider art.

I can put a cardboard box in a gallery and put a name tag on it and call it art and it is art as much as Michaelangelo's works or anything by Bernini. It may not be as fine as those works but undeniably it is my own exp<b></b>ression and the fact that it is in the gallery it is certainly accepted as art. What and what is not art is usually defined not by the masses but those who choose the canon of significant art.

Sure, but does this post account for the cretinous academia who presume to know better than everyone else what art is?

[AC1 3,565]

Revenge Of The Sith is still a bad movie, but it's art.

Art has nothing to do with the skill.

[Koray Savas 2,095]

Even Alex understands!