JoeinAR 1,949 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Yea I didn't expect she'd win either, not because I didn't like her performance in SLP, but just because she's young and it's not a really great movie overalll But I haven't seen any of the other performances she was up against, maybe non of them were as good. It's weird they didn't do Best Director just before Best Picture, isn't that how it's always been?No sometimes its the way it was tonight. The best Oscar telecaast in years. Truly Mediocre. They shouldn't emphasize that he didn't get nominated for Best DirectorSure they should and Oscar has always poked fun at itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 The Oscars are only as good as the films and people nominated in all the categories. Get a bunch of films no one cares about or has seen, you get a dull broadcast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Strange year though with some odd choices being made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 As disappointing as the results are for Lincoln fans, the one silver lining (playbook?) is that since Spielberg didn't win an Oscar, maybe he won't take a few years off like he did after winning for SL and SPR. Which means more JW scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 I thought tonight's show was one of the best ones in recent memory. Just me? Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Nearly perfect set of winners. John Williams didn't pout this year when he didn't win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted February 25, 2013 Author Share Posted February 25, 2013 Here's a list of JW music I heard played by the orchestra-Theme from Jurassic Park-Theme from Angela's Ashes-Theme from Jaws-E.T.-Schindler's list-Hedwig's Theme-Yoda's Theme-The Raiders March-Various bits from Lincoln Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendal_Ozzel 36 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 They shouldn't have kept cutting people off with the Jaws theme unless they were actually gonna deliver and have Bruce pop up and eat the winners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Some funny stuff herehttp://www.eonline.com/news/391527/oscars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Glad I didn't stay up for it then. Glad for Argo. Unlucky for JW I suppose. There's always next year. This recent habit of Best Director and Best Picture not matching is fuckin' stupid. Doesn't it go back to Saving Private Ryan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 I don't think it's necessarily stupid. I mean, you often hear comments on this board about how "the music makes the film." That's an example of a film that is better than the director could have made it. And you could apply that to any other category, not just music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Huh? Of course they say that here - it's a film score forum. But Indy, the composer is secondary to the director - who actually built the film from scratch. Your analogy is silly. That's an example of a film that is better than the director could have made it.No it isn't. It's just film score fan bias hyperbole. The score to such a movie wouldn't be as effective if it weren't for the director who made the inspirational imagery to begin with. Or are you in actual fact referring to MUSIC here and not score? Either way, it's absolutely wrong to suggest a composer is shoulder to shoulder with the director. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 same shit all over again...i feel sorry for williams...so many years already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Forum goes nuts over Williams' "best chance in years", forum goes ape shit over Williams being "screwed again".Same shit, no kidding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Where are the people going nuts? Can't see 'em myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 That's because you dumped the nick "The Great Eye". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Nah, you just didnt read the thread and thought it safe to assume people would be going ballistic, when they're really not.Everyone knows how the Oscars work by now not to invest more than a passing, quietly optimistic interested in the outcome where Williams is concerned. Joni Wiljami 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 That's obviously not what Luke feels ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Of course people would love him to bag another win, especially here, but the truth is we are well conditioned to how these things work, after the years of drought and inevitability. It's all just shrugs of the shoulders when the envelope is opened these days.Now multiple that by decades and you'll begin to understand how England feel about the World Cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Nah, you just didnt read the thread and thought it safe to assume people would be going ballistic, when they're really not.Everyone knows how the Oscars work by now not to invest more than a passing, quietly optimistic interested in the outcome where Williams is concerned.That's obviously not what Luke feels ...What quint describes it how I really feel. I even forgot to check the winners this morning.I may have used a little colorful language...but i knew inside williams was not going to win.It is still sad that his last win was 19 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted February 25, 2013 Author Share Posted February 25, 2013 when the MB didn't exist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 I actually completely forgot about the Oscars this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Me too. Woke up today and noticed the headlines. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Williams wasn't going to win, that was pretty clear.But there were some other strange choices. And I for one was not pleased to see Argo win Best Picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,801 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 My one thought during the parts that I watched from the ceremony was what John's reactions to Seth's jokes must have been, considering the gentleman he is...Imagined he was like this during the whole thing...And what about the Ricky Gervais ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,173 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Wow. A tie! That's something that doesn't happen that often. (Wonder what it would be like to see Johnny tie with, say, Michael Danna. . . ?)Just imagine Williams tying for Star Wars and CE3K. And that would've been deserved, too... Glad I didn't stay up for it then. Glad for Argo. Unlucky for JW I suppose. There's always next year.He has to write something first... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,436 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Shout out to William Ross, he got to conduct Harry Potter again!The broadcast was pretty entertaining this year, in spite of some of the awards I didn't agree with. This year I saw all the Best Picture nominees except Zero Dark Thirty, and I liked all of them better than Argo.Nice to see Brave winning, Jennifer Lawrence, Adele, etc. Would have liked more recognition for The Master. I still can't believe it wasn't nominated more, but at least the actors got nods.Good to see Ralph McQuarrie in the obits. I'm a big fan of Hal David too so it was nice he got acknowledged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Yea it was cool seeing Ralph McQuarrie in the obits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Huh? Of course they say that here - it's a film score forum. But Indy, the composer is secondary to the director - who actually built the film from scratch. Your analogy is silly.That's an example of a film that is better than the director could have made it.No it isn't. It's just film score fan bias hyperbole. The score to such a movie wouldn't be as effective if it weren't for the director who made the inspirational imagery to begin with.Or are you in actual fact referring to MUSIC here and not score? Either way, it's absolutely wrong to suggest a composer is shoulder to shoulder with the director.I'm saying that there are elements of a film that the director is not directly responsible for that can improve it. The director still plays the biggest role in shaping the film, but there are other elements too. Like take Lincoln--there are 4 elements for me that vastly improve it as a film: acting, screenplay, cinematography and music. Spielberg definitely had a hand in all of these, but a lot of credit needs to go to DDL, Tony Kushner, JW, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Spielberg had a hand in it? He made it! The others had a hand in it, I think you mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uni 306 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 In retrospect, I'm pretty disappointed in the Bond tribute as well. A montage? That's the best they could pull out? Why not get the Bonds themselves lined up on stage to receive a well-deserved ovation? Shirley Bassey was magnificent, to be sure, but when you consider the franchise is celebrating its 50th year of success, you could hardly call what they dribbled out last night a "tribute."- Uni Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 They could at least have asked Darrell Hammond to portray Mr. Connery one last time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Spielberg had a hand in it? He made it! The others had a hand in it, I think you mean.Reread my post Quint. I wasn't talking about the film as a whole, but about specific aspects of it. Spielberg didn't come up with the sound of Lincoln's voice; Spielberg didn't write the themes in the score; Spielberg didn't write the screenplay. He had a hand in shaping these elements, but to say the film was 100% a result of his genius is silly. No director is responsible for 100% of their film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Seth came close in Ted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Spielberg had a hand in it? He made it! The others had a hand in it, I think you mean.Reread my post Quint. I wasn't talking about the film as a whole, but about specific aspects of it. Spielberg didn't come up with the sound of Lincoln's voice; Spielberg didn't write the themes in the score; Spielberg didn't write the screenplay. He had a hand in shaping these elements, but to say the film was 100% a result of his genius is silly. No director is responsible for 100% of their film.All I'm saying is I completely dispute your director vs. composer/writer/cinematographer analogy in regards to the Best Picture and Director awards and even find it nonsensical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 In retrospect, I'm pretty disappointed in the Bond tribute as well. A montage? That's the best they could pull out? Why not get the Bonds themselves lined up on stage to receive a well-deserved ovation? Shirley Bassey was magnificent, to be sure, but when you consider the franchise is celebrating its 50th year of success, you could hardly call what they dribbled out last night a "tribute."- UniShirley Bassey was terrible to be sure. I felt bad for her, what an awful embarrasing performance.On the other hand Adele and Nora were terrific, Scarlett's voice was very sultry, very nice.Oh god not Striesand....she was wonderful.As much as I loved all the Williams music played it was John Barry's that I enjoyed the best last night. It's a love letter to God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,465 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 All this talk, but none about Williams in the audience?He was sitting there, at the end of the row on the right side from the middle (same row as Haneke, only further back). Strange that he wasn't sitting together with Spielberg & co.Did you notice that Williams high-fived the sound guys in the first category? That was cool.[Edit: Nevermind, I see it was the guy in front of Williams who high-fived, but JW leaned forward so it looked like him] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 I saw the high-five but didn't realize it was Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 nobody but Roald would mistake Tobin Bell for John Williams up close and personal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Did he say: "Yo, give me five, bro!"?No, Williams just turned to him, and quietly nodded his head upwards. And the high five proceeded from there. No words necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Oh absolutely. But don't presume that John is so small time that he actually verbalizes those thoughts.I saw him at a restaurant once. He nodded and the servers just brought his food out to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Thor edited his post to say it was NOT JW that high-fived Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Well in that case...I saw John at a restaurant once. He nodded and the servers just brought his food out to him. But it was my mistake, because it was actually to the guy behind him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uni 306 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Shirley Bassey was terrible to be sure. I felt bad for her, what an awful embarrasing performance.You're kidding, right? Actually, never mind . . . I don't suppose you are. . . .Well in that case... I saw John at a restaurant once. He nodded and the servers just brought his food out to him. But it was my mistake, because it was actually to the guy behind him. No, the guy behind him nodded, and they brought the food out to Williams. And the servers high-fived the cook.- Uni Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,465 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 It was an optical illusion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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