Bespin 8,478 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 11 minutes ago, Jay said: I think the majority of people here do like action scores, but I don't think the majority of people here only like action scores. You know me, I never generalize! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,478 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 6 hours ago, Jay said: This is the flaw with Bespin's method. Com'on, it's just a way to ignite a discovery. It gives only some hints from where to start. It's not a religion. It's a forum about film music, so we talk about film music... And I would add that, strangely, in the last weeks you seem to have suddenly "discovered" some of my recent suggestions (and finally purchased some early JW CDs I promote since a long time, yeah!). Well, that's the goal of this forum. We promote film music... and we lose money. The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KK 3,307 Posted January 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2021 3 hours ago, Bespin said: We promote film music... and we lose money. This should be on the JWFan t-shirt! Edmilson, Bespin, Jay and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,478 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Hi experts, is the FYC of WALL-E a good option to introduce me to this score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,670 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 From an ebay screenshot, looks like the FYC has a handful fewer tracks than the OST, so probably yes. It's a very fragmented listen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,285 Posted January 16, 2021 Author Share Posted January 16, 2021 16 hours ago, Bespin said: Com'on, it's just a way to ignite a discovery. It gives only some hints from where to start. It's not a religion. It's a forum about film music, so we talk about film music... You act like I was personally insulting you, but I was just making an observation about your process! 16 hours ago, Bespin said: And I would add that, strangely, in the last weeks you seem to have suddenly "discovered" some of my recent suggestions (and finally purchased some early JW CDs I promote since a long time, yeah!). I don't know what this means. I've known forever I "should" own Fiddler on the Roof, but never got around to it because I don't like musicals and don't expect to listen to it much. I own the FSM Checkmate / Rhythm in Motion, and known for a long time the later CD versions sound better, and always intended to grab them eventually, along with M Squad. Same thing with Jazz Beginnings, I've known forever it "should" be in my collection, and just hadn't gotten around to it yet. These also were collectively the last things I needed to add to my collection that I could find for reasonable prices. I still need Eiger Sanction and Thomas and the King too, but those are expensive. 16 hours ago, Bespin said: Well, that's the goal of this forum. We promote film music... and we lose money. ha! Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,478 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Jay said: You act like I was personally insulting you, but I was just making an observation about your process! I didn't took it like that at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,285 Posted January 16, 2021 Author Share Posted January 16, 2021 Looking at my words again to be sure, I can't understand how you could come to that conclusion ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Sorry you misinterpreted my intention! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,478 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 12 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: From an ebay screenshot, looks like the FYC has a handful fewer tracks than the OST, so probably yes. It's a very fragmented listen. It seems only the songs are missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,670 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Oh yeah, forgot about those. Anyway, The Axiom, Define Dancing, and a lot of music from towards the end, are the highlights, I'd say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,478 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Pardon me, let me decide which cues are the highlights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,670 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 * sigh * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,027 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 37 minutes ago, Jay said: I still need Eiger Sanction and Thomas and the King too, but those are expensive. Thomas and the King isn't that expensive, though. But I'd wait for a remixed release... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,285 Posted January 16, 2021 Author Share Posted January 16, 2021 I couldn't even find Thomas and the King on Amazon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,478 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 9 minutes ago, Jay said: I couldn't even find Thomas and the King on Amazon Nothing on discogs too. You'll have to wait for a JWfan to die. Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSH 968 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 On 1/15/2021 at 5:45 PM, Bespin said: Already ordered: Shawshank Redemption - Expanded edition Saving Mr. Banks Deluxe Edition Passengers (oh it seems this one is already rare, I don't know why?) Skyfall OST Bridge of Spies currently unavailable? What??? Once you've explored the 'popular' ones be sure to check out some of the lesser-mentioned scores of his, particularly - as Thor said - from the 80s and 90s. THE MAN WITH ONE RED SHOE LESS THAN ZERO MEN DON'T LEAVE ---- (somebody please release this officially, it's superb!) FRIED GREEN TOMATOES WHISPERS IN THE DARK JOSH AND S.A.M. THE WAR HOW TO MAKE AN AMERICAN QUILT OSCAR AND LUCINDA ... are all great. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,027 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, LSH said: HOW TO MAKE AN AMERICAN QUILT How do you do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 9 hours ago, Richard Penna said: From an ebay screenshot, looks like the FYC has a handful fewer tracks than the OST, so probably yes. It's a very fragmented listen. I have it. Another " collection of cues" ....with wrong track numbers. I bought it for the cover. I reprogrammed it to make it semi-listenable. Get the ost. It has the two tracks co- written by Peter Gabriel ( included on PIXAR GREATEST) Get the ost. It has the two tracks co- written by Peter Gabriel ( included on PIXAR GREATEST) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,478 Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 I really start to appreciate Thomas Newman's style. I just received "Skyfall" today and listened to it. Tradition and modernity. I like! Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 I've really warmed up to that one over the years. It's pretty underrated. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bored 306 Posted January 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 20, 2021 I haven't gotten around to Skyfall yet, but I've always loved Finding Nemo, WALL-E, and A Series of Unfortunate Events. There's just so much style and heart in those 3 scores. ASOUE in particular is just brimming with personality, and his music really fits with the tone of the film and the book series. Bespin, Once, Arpy and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 3 hours ago, superultramegaa said: ASOUE in particular is just brimming with personality, and his music really fits with the tone of the film and the book series. Absolutely agreed. I adore that score and would love an expansion. There's some nice missing cues in the film and some more things that were recorded, but not used. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Another nice little Newman interview. Nothing new is discussed, but there is an excerpt of a lovely piano composition he wrote for his mother at the end. https://www.pbs.org/video/becoming-newman-3kszg7/?fbclid=IwAR3t90M__hvWIWp2eayNkIRvnw57Z3-ZJfbpbvq9LKAaGZHiSlaXELlfv-A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linae 11 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 - Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foundling 11 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 On 2/1/2021 at 2:35 AM, KK said: Another nice little Newman interview. Nothing new is discussed, but there is an excerpt of a lovely piano composition he wrote for his mother at the end. https://www.pbs.org/video/becoming-newman-3kszg7/?fbclid=IwAR3t90M__hvWIWp2eayNkIRvnw57Z3-ZJfbpbvq9LKAaGZHiSlaXELlfv-A The full piece here: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,465 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 I found THE LITTLE THINGS to be completely anonymous. Not even exciting Newman textures. Kind of a letdown after the brilliant LET THEM ALL TALK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,478 Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 Any thoughts about Less than Zero (1987)? I'm a fan of the soundtrack and the movie since many years, especially because of the haunting closing song of the movie, sung by Roy Orbison (an original song written by Glenn Danzig for the movie), but I don't really recall the score... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,465 Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 2 hours ago, Bespin said: Any thoughts about Less than Zero (1987)? Top 5 Newman for me, perhaps even top 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,478 Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Thor said: Top 5 Newman for me, perhaps even top 3. But Thor, it's AN EXPANSION!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,285 Posted February 28, 2021 Author Share Posted February 28, 2021 No, it's not. The OST album was just songs, no score. The LLL is the premiere release of the score, not an expansion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,478 Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 Of course, previously unreleased score, I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 4 hours ago, Thor said: Top 5 Newman for me, perhaps even top 3. Definitely! I only recently discovered it when SIRIUS started playing it. Great stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,478 Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 I'll not be hard to convince, I'm currently listening to an evaluation copy and it plunge me in the mood of the movie, which I always loved. Added to my wishlist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSH 968 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 Currently listed at IMDb as the composer on John Madden's upcoming war film Operation Mincemeat for Netflix. I do hope this turns out to be true. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1879016/?ref_=nm_flmg_com_1 Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 He wrote a great theme for FIVE CAME BACK, a NETFLIX documentary series. Never released AFAIK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSH 968 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 25 minutes ago, bruce marshall said: He wrote a great theme for FIVE CAME BACK, a NETFLIX documentary series. Never released AFAIK It's good however I do find that brass motif gets a little repetitive towards the end. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,330 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 I am still struggling with Thomas Newman in a way. Even though I like a lot of his highly emotional themes and his compositions are quite good, I am not a fan of his wall-of-sound-like way of recording his scores. That always leads to some sound sausage that does not even pretend to sound somehow like a natural orchestra like these in principle quiet piano melodies are louder than everything else. The strings are beautiful but seem somehow disconnected form everything else. Probably I am not good at putting this into words. And I am sure that Newman créates that sound on purpose. It is his style and I also get why many people like it and why this is so effective in films. But when I hear one of his scores without the picture longer than 20 minutes I get bored somehow. Just not my cup of tea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSH 968 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 His music is composed and mixed in a very particular way. One which sounds experimental and semi-improvised but is in fact incredibly, incredibly polished. I can understand why it wouldn't gel with some people, but you cannot deny its effectiveness... and influence. GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,330 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, LSH said: ..., but you cannot deny its effectiveness... and influence. I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSH 968 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 Well that's good then. Which scores of his do you enjoy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,330 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 I have one sampler from the Prague Philharmonic with re-recordings of some of his famous scores. That one I like a lot. In particular The Green Mile, The Good German, The Horse Whisperer, Road to Perdition and Meet Joe Black, last of which I also have the soundtrack album. I tried some more on Spotify, but did not really get caught. I think, Joe Black is my favourite. There I really enjoy the full album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LSH 968 Posted March 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 21, 2021 All of those are superb but, in my opinion, his magnum opus is ANGELS IN AMERICA (2003). Probably the best mix of his different styles (the dissonant, the 'quirky' rhythmic, and the piercingly beautiful sweeping stuff). The opening titles alone is worth the price. Check it out if you haven't already, I can't recommend it enough. Disco Stu, Tom Guernsey, Bespin and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted March 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 21, 2021 8 minutes ago, LSH said: All of those are superb but, in my opinion, his magnum opus is ANGELS IN AMERICA (2003). Probably the best mix of his different styles (the dissonant, the 'quirky' rhythmic, and the piercingly beautiful sweeping stuff). The opening titles alone is worth the price. Check it out if you haven't already, I can't recommend it enough. I agree, it's right in the upper echelon of his work. I particularly enjoy his scores that have at least in part an Americana/bluesy style, a very underrated early score of his is Fried Green Tomatoes. I would include Shawshank/Green Mile in that category as well. Tom Guernsey, LSH and Once 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,670 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 Angels is a really bizarre mixture of epic orchestral Newman, and very understated quirkiness. I've found that a little under 40 minutes is about right to get the highlights. Certainly, the main title is quite something. I kind of wish he'd done an album arrangement for The Green Mile in the same vein as Shawshank. I kind of got the impression that he went for a slightly more curated approach for more serious films (Perdition, Shawshank, Little Women, etc) but this seems to be an exception. Again, around 30-40 minutes seems to be a good length for something like that. Then again, you'll rarely see me complaining about an album being too long and presenting most of a score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,330 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 Thanks a lot for recommendation. I will check them out. Still I think, he overdoes it with his Mix seemingly keeping all music, no matter what instruments, what dynamics, all at the same level. Especially in very emotional scenes like the final execution scene in the Green Mile his music is for me rather a wall between the emotion in the screen and the viewers emotion, turning everything into something unreal as if the music is there to keep the viewer from feeling something instead of making you feel something. It is like glueing Honey all over the scene. But probably that's actually the purpose. But I think Thomas Newman's music is especially good at this sugaring emotions out of a scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,496 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 2 hours ago, LSH said: All of those are superb but, in my opinion, his magnum opus is ANGELS IN AMERICA (2003). ANGELS IN AMERICA is top-3, for me, but AMERICAN BEAUTY remains his masterpiece. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSH 968 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 It's between the two for me. Even without mentioning the influence it had after, AMERICAN BEAUTY has some of the best marriage of picture and music in cinematic history. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,670 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 My all time favourite will always be The Horse Whisperer. Perfect mix of bluesey/Americana/orchestra, and from seeing the film many years ago, I don't offhand remember anything significant unreleased. I really think this is a large part of why we rarely get Newman expansions - most of them don't need it because he recognises which are the must-include highlights. LSH and Edmilson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSH 968 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 I love THE HORSE WHISPERER. For all the reasons you mention. The theme that plays on horn in the cue Double Divide, and then later fleshed out in Montana breaks my heart. And then the centrepiece of The Rhythm Of The Horse. And everything in between. The atmospheric lonely Newman piano in There Was Snow and Simple Truths. Awww. I think this one also became a temp-track favourite. Just listen to AN UNFINISHED LIFE (2005)... both Christopher Young's rejected score and Deborah Lurie's replacement (though the latter is more Newman influenced). Tom Guernsey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 Road To Perdition for me. Music that evokes time, place, and character so hauntingly well. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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