Eric_JWFAN 11 Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 then there's a really slow track after that, and it's over. Yes that is the end credits music I was talking about. I'm sure it has an actual name as it's heard during the film as well, and I'd really like to know because I have no clue why this music is in this movie. It sounds like the obligatory romance theme, but for who?? There's not really a romance in this movie, at least not one that is developed. Is it Tonto's theme? I sure hope not. Or is it just a general ode to the native Americans and the oppression they faced?? Whatever this music is, it sucks miserably. I swear it sounds like it was thrown together in 5 minutes. There is NEVER reason to compose music this slow and hollow for a film like this, especially the end credits of the Lone Freaking Ranger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,268 Posted July 3, 2013 Author Share Posted July 3, 2013 Yea, it was a VERY odd way to end the disc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 I can't tell if I like or hate the sad violin version of William Tell in "Never Take Off the Mask." I'm guessing it becomes something much more joyous and exciting later on in the track though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,268 Posted July 3, 2013 Author Share Posted July 3, 2013 You can listen to the entire album here legally if you have a Facebook account:http://www.rdio.com/artist/Hans_Zimmer/album/The_Lone_Ranger/Might only work in the US, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,667 Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 Not in UK at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Well track 10 is clearly the highlight of the album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,268 Posted July 4, 2013 Author Share Posted July 4, 2013 Yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Speaking of The Lone Ranger, I'd say it's high time for a release of John Barry's score to the previous movie version of the masked man.Unless there are a ton of legal issues holding it up or lost material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,667 Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Listening to track 10 now, and it is a very fun piece (as well as being impossible not to air conduct). Some nice interludes between the William Tell renditions and it has enough variations to keep fresh. First Zimmer action cue in years I can say I really like!The whole thing is vastly more listenable than MoS, if not always riveting.Edit - heard the whole thing now. I enjoyed that waayyy more than JNH's latest. That's unheard of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck 154 Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 Love this tracks:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wTbkC5cygMhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeFJL3yw47II love this kind of HZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean90 42 Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 Holy shit! Tender, warm woodwind and string passages! From Zimmer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck 154 Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 Totally! Just when you think that all hope is lost... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean90 42 Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 I mean, it's even idiomatically fitting. What the hell's going on in that crazy German brain of his? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck 154 Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 Full track: Finalehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LiaXIAwemkGotta admit, this is pretty generic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,268 Posted July 5, 2013 Author Share Posted July 5, 2013 Doug from Intrada has spoken about it:7/2/13In anticipation of seeing Disney's epic The Lone Ranger over the 4th of July holiday period, I simply could not resist telling people that our album (coming out on the 23rd) is fabulous. Biased, yes. But it is Hans Zimmer in his most kinetic, melodic, exciting mode! And that is something worth talking about. There are shades of the "spaghetti western" melded into Zimmer-style action that certainly does excite. And a nearly ten-minute long cue, launching with the familiar William Tell strains and morphing into Zimmer's thematic material is a genuine highlight. In the other direction, some tender and moving violin solos keep everything rooted in darker, more serious melody. I sure hope you Zimmer fans enjoy this one!http://www.intrada.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5656It's almost like he doesn't know the digital version is already out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,667 Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 He wrote that on the 2nd - same day as the itunes release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,268 Posted July 5, 2013 Author Share Posted July 5, 2013 Don't call digital releases "iTunes releases" - it isn't available only on iTunes, it's available on any digital retailer such as iTunes, Amazon MP3, Google Play, Spotify, Pandora, rdio.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolltide1017 43 Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 So, Zimmer had no problem using a 184 year old theme for this modern Lone Ranger movie but a 35 year old Superman theme was to dated for MoS.I'm not the biggest Zimmer fan but Lone Ranger is the type of ZImmer score I don't mind. There's a little heart in this score, to bad ZImmer couldn't find a little heart for MoS (or a theme). I'm not saying Lone Ranger is a great score but, it is better then most of Zimmer's recent work IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,268 Posted July 5, 2013 Author Share Posted July 5, 2013 I listened to it again today. It' not really a bad score, really, and at 49 minutes it doesn't overstay it's welcome. I just don't get how nothing really comes out and grabs you strongly besides that Finale track, and why the final track on the CD after the Finale track is so boring.I'm still curious to see if the Intrada CD will be the same presentation or a longer / different one - I don't really get why they haven't commented on it yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 And it's attached to a sure-fire bomb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,667 Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 I listened at work - I found it a really nice 45 mins (once you remove that silly source track). I found plenty of highlights, and while the last track is a little slow and 'basic', I don't find it boring.Definitely plan to buy it (from Intrada) and that doesn't happen often for a Zimmer score! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,268 Posted July 5, 2013 Author Share Posted July 5, 2013 Oh yea, I forgot about that source cue - it's weird, I don't like it. I'm sure it's perfect for whatever scene it goes with in the film, and for about 15 seconds is nice enough, for 3 minutes of it is too, too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 Full track: Finalehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LiaXIAwemkGotta admit, this is pretty generic. Is that a .... TRUMPET??? And WOODWINDS?And Man Of Steel doesn't have that, why exactly?It's not generic, it's terribly overbearing. Amazing how he manages to turn a classic piece into something that gets on your nerves after 3 minutes. It's the He's A Pirate treatment. Repeated at nauseam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tannhauser 101 Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 I like the score in general, besides the source cue track which is annoying and repetitive after about 30 seconds. Arturo Sandoval's trumpet playing is great as always. It would be nice if the Intrada release had some additional stuff but it will probably be the same as this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 Full track: Finalehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LiaXIAwemkGotta admit, this is pretty generic. Actually, if he got rid of that generic RCP sound, the track would be pretty good. While it's nothing spectacular, I kinda like the way he plays with the Williams Tell Overture in the cue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Williams Tell?What are you trying to TELL me?I find this piece shows again that Zimmer lacks the ability to make a lengthy piece of music interesting and engaging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 I think it's a fun arrangement, although it could be a little shorter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Zimmer is a pop composer. The three minute song format is what he's best at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tannhauser 101 Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Apparently the Finale cue was arranged by Geoff Zanelli, not Zimmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 oh in that case it's brilliant! Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,667 Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Hmm, seems you're right - check Zanelli's Twitter. (https://twitter.com/GeoffZanelli - 2 July)Please Zimmer, write just one score yourself, without anyone helping you. I dare you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Why would he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,667 Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Why shouldn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Most pop artists don't write alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,326 Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Sometimes Goldsmith seemed to have a problem with writing scores by himself as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 What?Goldsmith used another composer 3 times. For First Contact and Air Force One because of extremely tight scheduling, and Looney Tunes because he was dying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Just when I was ready to give Zimmer credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 You should have known better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,326 Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 What?Goldsmith used another composer 3 times. For First Contact and Air Force One because of extremely tight scheduling, and Looney Tunes because he was dying.Star Trek TMP.....Courage and Ian Fraser (David Newman too I think?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck 154 Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 I don't think Goldsmith's problem with that score is in any way similar to Zimmer's in these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 I'm beginning to think Hans Zimmer is an actual group and the guy we see is actually the frontrunner and founder of the band.His name is Helmut Schmidt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Zimmer is a pop composer. The three minute song format is what he's best at. Zimmer wrote that off his CV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,800 Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Danny Elfman has had additional composers lots of times and people don't complain as much.I don't mind Hansy working in groups, I've gotten used to it as it's his thing. What does bother me is when people think a certain cue is by him when it was totally done by someone else, and these people don't do the proper research for the proper credits... Of course, it's his name that's featured on the cover -although we know that he does that because the producers make him do it.Also, something I don't get is how can a composer be stuck for decades getting an "additonal music" credit and others get a co-composer credit in just a couple of months. Makes me think if there's some kind of favoritism going around inside Remote Control. Or maybe you have to be really agressive if you wanna step up in the inside chain of the company.Probably just overthinking this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 When has Elfman used other composers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 What?Goldsmith used another composer 3 times. For First Contact and Air Force One because of extremely tight scheduling, and Looney Tunes because he was dying.Star Trek TMP.....Courage and Ian Fraser (David Newman too I think?)Ah yes. 4 scores out of sooooo many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 I'm beginning to think Hans Zimmer is an actual group and the guy we see is actually the frontrunner and founder of the band.His name is Helmut Schmidt. "D Moll ist einfach nur geil ..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 I just made the name up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 When has Elfman used other composers?T.J. Lindgren wrote additional music for Epic, Frankenweenie, Real Steel and Wolfman. Don Harper and Kenneth Burgomaster composed some additional music for Ang Lee's Hulk.Shirley Walker also wrote a few cues for Nightbreed, if I remember well.Danny always credited everyone, btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,667 Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 So that's 4 films from Elfman's entire filmography.Zimmer does it on every single project. Huge difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 I don't see what's inherently wrong with collaboration in music (as long as you give credit, which I'm told Zimmer always does). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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