Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Jeff Goldblum is the new Bryan Cranston. He'll probably die 20 minutes in and Liam Hemsworth will be the boring lead for the rest of the movie. Hurmm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 453 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 I don't like how it looks and sounds.Me neither.That said, it looks marginally less awful than the original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Ya not sure about the film either...will probably skip the score since it won't be the same with out Arnold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 They made it look like Prometheus. Just the ugliest looking movies these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 I don't like how it looks and sounds. Me neither.That said, it looks marginally less awful than the original.There was something, anything, awful about the original?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 So far, Independence Day: Resurgence has shown more snippets of space battles in one trailer than Star Wars: The Force Awakens has in many trailers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 453 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 I don't like how it looks and sounds. Me neither.That said, it looks marginally less awful than the original.There was something, anything, awful about the original?!The film is jingoistic as hell. It's all about the spectacle and how much shit Emmerich can blow up and Randy Quaid's Casse is one of the most annoying characters ever. The only saving grace of ID4 was the banter between Will Smith and Jeff Goldblum.Even Arnold's score was overblown and irritating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 I bet you loved it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Daddy let me watch Letterman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 I'm somewhere in the middle with the old movie. Didn't adore it like some, didn't despise it like some. Watched it and was marginally entertained by it without further need of re-watching it. That being said, I'll probably give this one a watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 ...jingoistic? You think humanity should have tried to negotiate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 453 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 There's a difference between being patriotic and overdoing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 I don't think there's anything very patriotic about the film. It's quite global. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 I was bracing myself for this movie to be terrible based on Emmerich's shoddy 2000s output, but I'm surprised by how, well, good this looks.And it's his first film since Stargate to be shot in anamorphic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 There's a difference between being patriotic and overdoing it.The movie is called Independence Day which takes place during the Independence Day holiday and was released theatrically during Independence Day week. It had about as much patriotism as you'd expect, but wasn't dripping with it. Michael Bay would have done much worse.The new movie falls flat if this guy doesn't make an appearance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 This bloke makes a compelling arguement that Independence Day doesn't have as much patriotism or jingoism as you might have thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 God, could that man please speak any faster? This is damn annoying. Not gonna bother with 30 minutes of that. Sum up what he says in the video, please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Time is up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Basically he notes flag waving in the film isn't as overt as people think because its global message is a lot stronger, and Emmerich uses sterotypes and tokens to deliver his message.He also cites evidence that Michael Bay is far more prone to flag waving groaners than Emmerich was in ID4.I personally think Arnold's use of militaristic brass had a lot to do with influencing people to overstate the film's blatant American slant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Has CBS made a movie?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 I don't like how it looks and sounds. Me neither.That said, it looks marginally less awful than the original.There was something, anything, awful about the original?! The film is jingoistic as hell. It's all about the spectacle and how much shit Emmerich can blow up and Randy Quaid's Casse is one of the most annoying characters ever. The only saving grace of ID4 was the banter between Will Smith and Jeff Goldblum.Even Arnold's score was overblown and irritating.Yeah ID4 is so ludicrously 'Murica, it's great. Trust a foreign director to again be the one to tap into that domestic versus overseas audience juxtaposition and milk the two wonderfully polar opposite positive reactions for all their worth. Depending on where in the western world you live, ID4 can either be air punchingly oo-rah patriotic entertaining or raucously daft thinly veiled satire entertaining, or even both and all at once. To call ID4 'jingoistic' is a bit captain obvious if you ask me, and it's simply missing the whole point, because this is not a serious movie. I think it's thrillingly silly, cliched to buggery and 100% tongue in cheek. If that's not obvious then I don't know what is.I remember watching ID4 at the cinema, I was about 18 at the time and I completely dismissed it, like a dickhead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 You said it Quintus. There's nothing hateful about ID4. Simply too much fun to be had with it, provided one doesn't take it too seriously. If I look at blockbusters now compared to the ones made during my youth... Well, I know which ones I prefer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 The new ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 You said it Quintus. There's nothing hateful about ID4. Simply too much fun to be had with it, provided one doesn't take it too seriously. If I look at blockbusters now compared to the ones made during my youth... Well, I know which ones I prefer.I never have fun with something that tries to please the broad audience too much. Like Will Smith knocking out a crashed alien pilot with his fist while at the same time he's being very aware that the audience will love it. I know people love and cheer for that (like they do with Bruce Willis in the Die Hard series) but personally I can't stand it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Yeah. The plebs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 And dog lovers! ID4 is a dog movie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Anyone else notice the alien craft all look different?There's no sign of any of the ship designs from the first movie. Whatever the hell that thing is that Judd Hirsch is looking at looks nothing like the destroyers from before. And the attackers look like hoodless versions of the old ones.Dafuq?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 They are bigger! Or what did you expect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Well the attackers don't appear to be bigger. It would be impractical if they were. But they look different. And I don't like things that are different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Saucers are passé.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Basically he notes flag waving in the film isn't as overt as people think because its global message is a lot stronger, and Emmerich uses sterotypes and tokens to deliver his message.He also cites evidence that Michael Bay is far more prone to flag waving groaners than Emmerich was in ID4.I personally think Arnold's use of militaristic brass had a lot to do with influencing people to overstate the film's blatant American slant.Yep. To me it's always seemed like a balls-to-the-wall humanistic statement. It's like that internet story that circulated a few years ago about humanity rebelling against God and Satan... boy what was that called? It was ridiculous and fun. Anyway, Smith says "Welcome to Earth," not "Welcome to America." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Since Will Smith didn't want to be in the movie, they killed off Captain Hillerhttp://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/640831-the-fate-of-will-smiths-steven-hiller-from-independence-day-revealed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Well the attackers don't appear to be bigger. It would be impractical if they were. But they look different. And I don't like things that are different.Do you seriously expect an alien race capable of galactic conquest and annihilation to only have one model of mothership? If you've watched any science fiction, you'll know every race, good bad or otherwise, can have different spaceships in its hangar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Conversations of interest to Trekkies already have their own threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Something you want to add to this briefing, Captain Hiller? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Yeah, he's just really excited and he has no clue why we're here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 You want to stay away from that guy. He's, uh...he's grouchy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Well the attackers don't appear to be bigger. It would be impractical if they were. But they look different. And I don't like things that are different.Do you seriously expect an alien race capable of galactic conquest and annihilation to only have one model of mothership? If you've watched any science fiction, you'll know every race, good bad or otherwise, can have different spaceships in its hangar.Yeah but the original ID4 ships were iconic. Not only did they look menacing, there was a beauty to their simplicity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 OK, finally watched the trailer. You know what? Doesn't look as bad as I was expecting.Funny how they ramp up the nostalgia-factor by using Pullman's speech from the first movie Still a shame about the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 I'm not bothering with the trailer, since I know I'll be seeing it on Saturday in front of TFA. I liked the original well enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 How would the ID4 alien fleet fare against the Galactic Empire in Star Wars?Say the ID4 aliens began an invasion of the SW galaxy, and started destroying relatively defenceless planets like Naboo, Kamino, etc., would the Empire stand a chance against their attackers and city destroyers?I know there's a computer virus joke in there waiting to happen, but that only assumes that the Empire has captured one of the alien attackers and can use it to infultrate the mothership to plant a nuke. Not to mention whether the Empire has anyone as smart as David Levinson who could figure that one out.Fuck I wish SW stayed with Fox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 The alien attackers seem more agile that TIE Fighters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Plus they have shields. The TIE fighters seem to disintegrate like cardboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 A pity the shielded TIEs were never in the movies and remain squarely in fake canon. A few TIE Defenders at Endor would have been devastating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Guns at Endor would have been devastating against anything other than teddy bears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Hilary Bray 235 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Judging by the trailer Bill Pullman's gone a little nutso in the interim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 DOESN'T ANYONE HAVE ANY MISSILES LEFT?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Sorry I'm late Mr. President! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 I reckon maybe the Rebel Alliance might stand a better chance against the ID4 fleet simply based on its knack for effective surgical attacks on bigger and more powerful foes.And R2-D2 seems like an exceptionally well programmed droid that he might be able to exploit the aliens' software vulnerabilities. Then you'd wonder why the Rebels couldn't disable the Death Star with malware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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