#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Btw, I love the parallels between Walter and Hank. Very different characters who both let their pride get the best of them. While I expected to love Walter, I never though I would think Hank was anything more then an obnoxious loud mouth.Also, Jonathan Banks as the shows third bad-ass bald white guy totally kicks ass, even if it's a small role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Mike is a terrific addition to the cast, he became a fan favourite actually. Good that you're starting to see the layers to Hank; who initially seemed to be nothing more than a loud American jock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 FlyA bottle show, but quite a brilliant one. Basically Walt and Jesse together, with not a lot of actual plot.But it's great to actually occasionally step away from the overall storylines and just focus on the characters. Season 3, as good as it is hasnt put Walter and Jesse together enough.Love how this turns from essentially an absurd episode where Walt worries about a fly to one of deep self-reflection.Pretty damn suspenseful too. I was sure Walt was gonna say the wrong thing after those meds Jesse slipped him, like with his "second cellphone" comment.Mike is a terrific addition to the cast, he became a fan favourite actually. Good that you're starting to see the layers to Hank; who initially seemed to be nothing more than a loud American jock.The fat loud moth jock with the thin and pretty wife. A sitcom cliche that extended James Belushi's career and made a star of Kevin James, but bores the shit out of me. I'm glad Hank became more.Skyler actually, is more interesting in season 3. The way she first tries to leave her husband, gets even by sleeping with Ted, but slowly starts to understand why he did what he did, without...at this point...actually condoning it. And how she starts to use her hold over Walt to make sure Hank gets proper medical treatment.A lot better then the passive aggressive wife she used to be.So far the only characters I'm not that fussed about are Walter jr and Marie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted September 19, 2014 Author Share Posted September 19, 2014 Fly is easily the worst episode of the show for 95% of it, then the scene with Walt and Jesse in the car at the end is freaking awesome Incidently Rian Johnson, who directed that episode, would go on to direct two great episodes in Season 5 as well as the theatrical movies Looper and Star Wars 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Worst? I thought it was outstanding. An excellent character piece. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 It was a very good episode and sadly underrated. Glad to see you appreciate it. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted September 19, 2014 Author Share Posted September 19, 2014 I love every episode really, calling it the worst is hardly saying it's bad Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 True.but what makes it the least good episode for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted September 19, 2014 Author Share Posted September 19, 2014 It's been a while since I've seen it, and there are so many great ones that come after it. I just remember thinking not a whole lot happened, until the awesome ending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 That's what I like about it, actually. Not a lot of things happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I'm well aware that Fly is uniquely cherished by many BB fans, but I wasn't too keen on it. I considered it the single weak episode of the lot, and one of two shaky moments overall (the other one, not an episode but a plot moment, doesn't come till much later on). Maybe a second viewing of the episode might improve my appreciation of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I wasnt aware it was a beloved ep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted September 19, 2014 Author Share Posted September 19, 2014 I think it's generally considered to be one of the worst episodes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Lee seems to suggest otherwise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I'd call it 'polarising'. A lot of fans absolutely love the episode, one chap I worked with told me it was even in his top 3.http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/whats-alan-watching/posts/breaking-bad-fly-the-best-bottle-show-everThe comments after that article seem quite lively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted September 19, 2014 Author Share Posted September 19, 2014 Most of my friends thought it was one of the worst. But again, only "worse" in comparison to other BB episodes, still A+ television all around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 I didn't think the episode was particularly bad or great, just....different. It fits in nicely into the story arc and it's an interesting change of pace and presentation. I like it for what it is and what it accomplishes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 A stupid question maybe. But how is the music of BB regarded?With the exception of the songs that often play during montage scenes, it's almost completely non-existent end anonymous to me.But the weird thing is that that doesnt matter in any way, shape or form. I never found myself watching the show thinking, this scene needs better/more dramatic music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 The songs (especially the montage ones) are what work for me. The score work is practically invisible, but still scene setting. Atonal ambience, mainly. It takes right up until the penultimate episode until the score comes into its own, in one really brilliant closing moment. I had goosebumps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Cool!The sound design on the show is first rate btw, especially when it comes to creating suspense. That piercing peeping sound when Q is working in the air traffic control tower. The way it builds suspense in the minute up the Hanks shooting. really brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Isn't it nuts that Walt indirectly killed hundreds of people on that plane? The scene where he freaks out at the school in front of everyone is a good 'un. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Yes! And one of the reasons I loved Fly is that it deals with both Jesse's and especially Walter's guilt. In a roundabout way perhaps, but still.Season 3 is excellent btw, but I think 2 is a bit stronger overall. The start of season 3 spends a kot of time on characters insisting that they have chosen a new path. And while the writing and acting is superb, we all know that eventually both Walt and Jesse will go back to cooking, and Skyler will slowly be more receptive towards her husband's choices, so it's a little more predictable.Though I can't see any other way they could have done it. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 It might play out a little differently yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 The songs (especially the montage ones) are what work for me. The score work is practically invisible, but still scene setting. Atonal ambience, mainly. Stefan, the best stuff is still ahead of you. It takes right up until the penultimate episode until the score comes into its own, in one really brilliant closing moment. I had goosebumps.I was thinking the exactly same thing. It is the only moment in the entire series when I was aware of music.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Not the only moment. I would never listen to the score on its own, but I can't deny its effectiveness.I remember the score adding to the chills in what may be my favourite scene in the show:the penultimate episode of season 4, when Walt freaks out about all the money that Skyler already spent as he was trying to escape. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted September 20, 2014 Author Share Posted September 20, 2014 Couldn't tell you one thing about the score to BB. It's effective in the show, but nothing you'd ever want to listen to on it's own. The best moment is an episode in Season 5 that uses an extended version of the opening titles theme as underscore. It was fucking awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Don't spoil it, Jay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted September 20, 2014 Author Share Posted September 20, 2014 Why would I do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Jason, if you spoil it I will hunt you down and kill you and wear your skin and steal all your CD's are weregild! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 After 5 seasons of "will they won't they" tension, Jesse finally proposes, and he and Walt drive off into the sunset. You don't see it coming, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,041 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 The alternate ending on the DVD is even steamier!As to the score - yeah, I wouldn't want to listen to it on its own, but it works really well for the series. A lot of it is almost sound design. Certainly not melodic or especially memorable. But the ambiance it provides is perfect for the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted September 20, 2014 Author Share Posted September 20, 2014 As to the score - yeah, I wouldn't want to listen to it on its own, but it works really well for the series. A lot of it is almost sound design. Certainly not melodic or especially memorable. But the ambiance it provides is perfect for the show.Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Porter is an interesting guy, and the whole approach he took is too. I think it's actually pretty listenable on its own, as a sort of ambient record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Largely agreed. I bought the album cheap in search of a good ring tone, it was surprisingly listenable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 The song used for the end of season 4 was fitting and in a way nicely sums up the entire show in a way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Finished season 3. Which started out along predictable lines with Walt and Jesse believing they were through with cooking, and a Skyler who was though with Walt.While all of that was never less then well written and acted, and nesserary for the character's progression, season 3 didnt really kick into gear till the second half, with Walt and Jesse back in the game and Skyler slowly getting involved.I love the switch from whacked out and maniacal drug lord to the mild mannered and calculated Gus. Who at first seems like a safe bet for Walt, but turns out to be anything but. Mianly because of Walts own unpredictable nature this time.Jesse's arc for this season is excellent. How he goes from trying to go straight, to forming the belive that he is what he is and attempting to act more ruthless then he is. (trying to shift meth in a rehab)Also the bond between him and Walt becomes tighter then ever, even though it's still reluctant.The finale is a masterpiece of character and plot in perfect unison. And as always Breaking Bad is about being given a number of options, and chosing the bad one. Walt probably should have gone to the police, like Jesse said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted September 21, 2014 Author Share Posted September 21, 2014 What happened in the season 3 finale again? I don't remember Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Sigh...Jesse shoots Gale, Walts lab assistent.Season 3 is more about Jesse's arc then Walter in a way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 That's the season when Walt shoots the dealer before Jesse could, and then going on to shoot Gale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Don't you people remember these shows at all?Btw. Jesse dating a woman who's younger brother is responsible for the death of his friend....Bit of a coincidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 It's a small town where everyone has a drug habit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 It's called dramatic plot structure. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 I see....Gus...slowly changing into a work outfit, slashing a throat...washing then putting back his ordinary clothes... Damn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Exactly. I never got critiques about stuff like that; things fitting together too extraordinarily. It's a story. That's the point. That's why we want it told to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Hmm...so it's OK to bitch about the story structure on GOT, but Breaking Bad is immaculate?I see.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Oh I don't care what you bitch about, that's just a point I've wanted to make for a while and you gave me a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted September 21, 2014 Author Share Posted September 21, 2014 I remember everything that happened on the show, just not which episode was x event and which was y event, etc. Yea, that season 3 finale was great! If you had continued to do your episode by episode recap it wouldn't have been a problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Lilly of the valley!OMG! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 I don't really even consider the Jesse's girlfriend's son shooting as being a particularly extraordinary coincidence, because it is a small world. People go abroad on holiday thousands of miles away and bump into people they know, to me that's a coincidence. Merry finding the dagger forged for slaying the Witchking, that's a dramatic coincidence. Until Steef mentioned this one I had genuinely never given it a second thought.I think Steef is clutching at straws, actively trying to find problems in an attempt to demonstrate that BB isn't really any better than the other shows he watches. It's this little meta he's got going on.The reality is the craft and skill of BB absolutely blows something like GoT away. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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