publicist 4,643 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 I'm not sure whether this is better (or worse, for that matter) than Godzilla or How To Train Your Dragon. Or other good stuff this year. I enjoy each one of those in different ways - hard to compare, really.KarolI find it very comparable to GODZILLA: a blockbuster score that is well written and that does not suck but still leaves some room for improvement. Both suffer a rather mediocre thematic base and are in their current from far too long. I long for the days when an album producer actually had to assemble the best cues and not slap 40 minutes of movie-dependent filler in between. BLUMENKOHL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 You know what? The album is indeed gargantuan in terms of length, but I reckon it flows very well. I don't really care whether they last 40 or 80 minutes, as long as they take me "on a journey".Karol Koray Savas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 I'm not sure whether this is better (or worse, for that matter) than Godzilla or How To Train Your Dragon. Or other good stuff this year. I enjoy each one of those in different ways - hard to compare, really.KarolI find it very comparable to GODZILLA: a blockbuster score that is well written and that does not suck but still leaves some room for improvement. Both suffer a rather mediocre thematic base and are in their current from far too long. I long for the days when an album producer actually had to assemble the best cues and not slap 40 minutes of movie-dependent filler in between. I disagree on length, as I see myself a superior crafter of the best musical experience for myself.But I agree with your assessment of the score's quality. Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,300 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 The best scores of 2014 for me at the moment1 Maleficent2 Godzilla3 DOTPOTA4 Monuments Men5 HTTYD26 Grand Budapestbeen an awesome year for scores so far! Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 The best scores of 2014 for me at the moment1 Maleficent2 Godzilla3 DOTPOTA4 Monuments Men5 HTTYD26 Grand Budapestbeen an awesome year for scores so far!If I was to make that list (and I'm sure it would change 5 minutes later) it would go something like this: 4, 2, 3, 5, 6, 1. After that, Spider-Man, Noah and maybe bits of... Oldboy. Not sure if I can count The Unknown Known as this years' score (it's from a 2013 film).Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Can't you make your own BEST OF 2014 thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Nah, I would get told off that there is one already or that it's too early to create one. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,300 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Oldboy and the Unknown Known are both 2013 films Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 How predictable! Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy 55 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Giacchino's Music Heralds the Dawn of the Planet of the Apes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,300 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Nice little write-up. Confirmation Simonec conducted, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 i'm eager to listen to this... but this time i want to wait to the film.I want to get surprised by a film score with the film, a thing i have not done in a very long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,300 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 I stopped bothering to do that years ago. I always just want to hear the music right away.The first time I see a film I am just taking in the story anyway, not examining the music, so it doesn't increase my enjoyment if I hadn't heard the score yet or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Woods 555 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Oldboy and the Unknown Known are both 2013 filmsDo you count film festivals as official release dates?-Erik- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,300 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Oldboy opened in November in the USA. Definitely a 2013 film.I was wrong about The Unknown Known. it's a 2014 film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 http://www.filmmusicsociety.org/news_events/features/2014/070814.html One of the things that the earlier Apes films lacked was the idea of emotion. They were heavy on sci-fi and weirdness but emotion was not really explored. When I first saw this film, I realized there are no bad guys. There are characters who believe different things. Both sides are trying to convince the other that what they believe is right, and they have valid reasons for believing that. Matt has created something that is incredibly complex in all the right way." Arrogant bullshit. They were never mawkish or obvious or in their emotion (like Gia can be), but there was plenty of feeling in the first three films, beyond alienation - especially ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF THE APES. Awe/wonder, maternal love, sadness and joy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 It's not arrogance so much as it is promotional bs. Expanding on the obvious, trying to make the age-old Pocahontas/Avatar plot seem like a genuine novelty of the film...he's just trying to sell the movie like everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,300 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 What do you think of the score KK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 I didn't get the chance to listen to it yet. But that's what tonight's for! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 http://www.filmmusicsociety.org/news_events/features/2014/070814.htmlOne of the things that the earlier Apes films lacked was the idea of emotion. They were heavy on sci-fi and weirdness but emotion was not really explored. When I first saw this film, I realized there are no bad guys. There are characters who believe different things. Both sides are trying to convince the other that what they believe is right, and they have valid reasons for believing that. Matt has created something that is incredibly complex in all the right way." Arrogant bullshit. They were never mawkish or obvious or in their emotion (like Gia can be), but there was plenty of feeling in the first three films, beyond alienation - especially ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF THE APES. Awe/wonder, maternal love, sadness and joy.I find it puzzling. Even the last film score gave Ceasar a lot attention.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Marketing BS, anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,673 Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 You know what? The album is indeed gargantuan in terms of length, but I reckon it flows very well. I don't really care whether they last 40 or 80 minutes, as long as they take me "on a journey".KarolA 'journey' doesn't mean a lot if the material comprising it is no good.I too think it would be nice if, along with the more comprehensive release, a producer made a tight 40 minute album which introduces you to the score.It's actually rather unusual for me to see a film and want anything more than a couple of standout cues (or maybe a half hour). Entire albums are a minority for me (for newer material). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 You see, it depends on how you listen to film scores. Some people like them for tunes, some for compositional highlights. Others, like me, enjoy narrative of film music. I'm not as interested in isolated pieces, but how different things come together and how one things leads to another. Less concerned about what these "things" are on their own.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,673 Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 I'm definitely after the compositional highlights, first and foremost.If they flow as an album, that's great, but it's not that important to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Yeah, I've noticed you don't like many film score albums from start to finish.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 The best scores of 2014 for me at the moment1 Maleficent2 Godzilla3 DOTPOTA4 Monuments Men5 HTTYD26 Grand Budapestbeen an awesome year for scores so far!Really?Awesome?I would say it's been fairly unimpressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,300 Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Yup. 2014 has has been the best year for new scores in all the 2010s by far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 You see, it depends on how you listen to film scores. Some people like them for tunes, some for compositional highlights. Others, like me, enjoy narrative of film music. I'm not as interested in isolated pieces, but how different things come together and how one things leads to another. Less concerned about what these "things" are on their own.KarolFilm music's worst enemies, redundancy and dead filler isn't exactly helping the journey to be a smooth ride. Editing this score to 50 minutes would have provided a more fulfilling listen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Yeah, but continuous 50 minute orgasm wouldn't be exactly the best kind experience either, would it?In the case of Giacchino's own Super 8 (for example) one of my very favourite tracks is 10-minute Creature Comforts. I know many people treat is redundant filler, but the release of emotion in the last two tracks wouldn't have been quite as effective if they skipped this one. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 For me, the whole SUPER 8 score is redundant filler, so i am not following you there.. Sharkissimo and KK 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 While I agree with Karol's approach to listening to scores, I wholeheartedly agree with pub's assessment of Super 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,739 Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 The best scores of 2014 for me at the moment1 Maleficent2 Godzilla3 DOTPOTA4 Monuments Men5 HTTYD26 Grand Budapestbeen an awesome year for scores so far! How the hell can anyone possibly rate Godzilla and Dawn of the Planet of the Apes higher than How to Train Your Dragon?For me, the whole SUPER 8 score is redundant filler, so i am not following you there.. ^ This! So very much this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,300 Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 How the hell can anyone possibly rate Godzilla and Dawn of the Planet of the Apes higher than How to Train Your Dragon? I've never been as high on the HTTYD scores as many around here are. It's a welcome change to the RCP dreck that most blockbuster films get these days, but they don't blow me away to the level that many of the younger folk here are blown away by them. I do like them, though. Godzilla's awesome, the OST is not a good representation of the complete score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 While I agree with Karol's approach to listening to scores, I wholeheartedly agree with pub's assessment of Super 8.You cannot agree with both of us. Choose, Canadian!Besides, never said anything about Super 8's quality (or lack of it). That's beside the point.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Of course you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 What do you mean?Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 That's one of the Stefancos 3000's default replies. Just ignore it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBard 71 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Just saw the movie today.The xylophones just about killed the incidental suspense and action sequences for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 You don't like xylophones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBard 71 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Of course I like xylophones.But in this context, they were a distraction. Their bright, wooden sound took away from the suspensful soundscape already being provided by the instrumental minimalism (e.g. the scene where Koba and his followers scout the armory). Maybe if they were bowed instead of struck... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 The only score I like this year so far is Monuments MenGrand Budapest was the "gimmick score" so far,i'll probably be nominated for an Oscar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBard 71 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 I'm not familiar with the term "gimmick score."Could you elaborate before I answer an anti-xylophone accusation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Grand Budapest , track 3 Mr.Moustafa =Gimmick scoreabout as "gimmicky" as the George Valentin track from The Artist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBard 71 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 After listening to that track on the soundtrack, all I can say is...Poor Alexander Desplat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Where's Joey? I can't enjoy this score until he confirms it's crap. The KM seal of disapproval is only half the battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBard 71 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Which score?Grand Budapest or DOTPOTA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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