TownerFan 4,983 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Lukas Kendall wrote this very smart and thought-analysis on FSM. I very much share most, if not all, of his feelings about the subject:http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/daily/article.cfm/articleID/6965/Franchise-Fatigue/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 I can't completely agree with him Maurizio, He makes it sound as if all these summer films are bad, and they are not. He fails to point out that in the past there were many formulaic films being made that were essentially cookie cutter films. It's easy to put the good ole days on a pedastal because you remember the really good films, and you forget the very bad films. It's easy to remember 1980's The Empire Strikes Back and to forget Xanadu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted June 12, 2013 Author Share Posted June 12, 2013 I don't think Lukas is making a point about older films being better, Joey. In the end, he says that Hollywood is still making good movies. The problem lies within the concept of the so-called "franchise", which is basically selling a brand before anything else. Anyway, the recipe used today by studios to make their franchises is beginning to show limitations and maybe a potential point of no return (especially if a movie that opens with a $80 million gross is "underperforming"). So the risks must be reduced to the very minimum, which is something that makes studio executives going for well-established, already-tested stories, characters, ideas and so on. Today's technology allows to see things with incredible photorealism, so there is the excuse of using the "you've never seen it like this before" concept, which helps to sell the movie, but in the end you can see shortcomings in it. Lucas and Spielberg used the same concept in many cases, but there was a strong idea of cinema at the core of their big successes of the 1970s/1980s which is what makes those films last even today. A Star Wars film was something special back then because there wasn't really anything like that. On the contrary, today's blockbuster franchise movies are competing with each other as the "event of the year", when instead there is a worrying sameness all throughout them.If you're treading water with umpteenth versions of Star Trek, James Bond, comic book superheroes and so on, my sensation is that you'll reach an impasse sooner or later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 I read this article last night and was going to post it today myself. It was a very interesting read. I'd definitely enjoy reading more of Lukas's articles, I enjoyed all his posts about the FSM titles last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 If you're treading water with umpteenth versions of Star Trek, James Bond, comic book superheroes and so on, my sensation is that you'll reach an impasse sooner or later.Better sooner than later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 I don't think Lukas is making a point about older films being better, Joey. In the end, he says that Hollywood is still making good movies. The problem lies within the concept of the so-called "franchise", which is basically selling a brand before anything else. Anyway, the recipe used today by studios to make their franchises is beginning to show limitations and maybe a potential point of no return (especially if a movie that opens with a $80 million gross is "underperforming"). So the risks must be reduced to the very minimum, which is something that makes studio executives going for well-established, already-tested stories, characters, ideas and so on. Today's technology allows to see things with incredible photorealism, so there is the excuse of using the "you've never seen it like this before" concept, which helps to sell the movie, but in the end you can see shortcomings in it. Lucas and Spielberg used the same concept in many cases, but there was a strong idea of cinema at the core of their big successes of the 1970s/1980s which is what makes those films last even today. A Star Wars film was something special back then because there wasn't really anything like that. On the contrary, today's blockbuster franchise movies are competing with each other as the "event of the year", when instead there is a worrying sameness all throughout them.If you're treading water with umpteenth versions of Star Trek, James Bond, comic book superheroes and so on, my sensation is that you'll reach an impasse sooner or later.I also find his concept of the point of dimishing returns not completely thought out, if not completely wrong.In the end each film must stand on it's own. As to the point of financial success we've seen films that bomb at the boxoffice gain new life on home video. The ability that Hollywood has shown to restore a "franchise" has been remarkable.Take Star Trek for example, Star Trek Insurrection earned 70 milliion dollars, Star Trek Nemesis earned 43 million dollars. With the proper repackaging Star Trek 2009 grossed 257 million, more than the last 3 Star Trek films combined and only the 2nd Star Trek film to break 100 million dollars, that is until Into Darkness with is already over 200 million dollars.Or you could take James Bond, the longest running film franchise in history. It's previous incarnation did well at the Boxoffice, Die Another Day with Brosnan but it grossed 160 million. Rebooted with a new and very different Bond in Daniel Craig the film series looked to be in the right footing. Casino Royale became the biggest Bond yet with 167 million. Nice but not true blockbuster numbers in this day and age. Then there was the disasterously made Quantum of Solace which also did well at the bo with 168 million but artistically it was a misstep. Thanks to financial troubles it took awhile for Skyfall to be made, and it was both a critical and financial success. The first true Blockbuster for Bond in the modern age. It not only broke the 200 million mark, it broke the 300 million dollar mark and it's success overseas was beyond huge.Sure Hollywood wants the franchises. WB lucked out in that Harry Potter was successful financially but also critically on the page and screen, but at the starting point they had no idea how it would go. It was a blind risk that paid off. Same for twilight. Other films take advantage of franchises successes, and each studio want's that next franchise.But not every potential franchise is a success, not every reboot or remake is a hit, but that doesn't mean it's a failure either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jangoisbaddest 1 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 That was definitely an interesting read, but I can't say I agree 100%, either. A franchise can always be rebooted in a fresh and interesting way. A perfect example of this is Casino Royale, which took us away from campy and overblown to gritty and somewhat more realistic. It was just about a tough-as-nails, imperfect guy doing his best not to get killed by his job, but it was still James Bond. Quantum aside, I am ecstatic about the new Bond movies.The issue with Star Trek is that a reboot was promised and not delivered. I had hopes that there would be new directions after the first film. "Star Trek" was good only because it had the underpinnings of a first act - we need to see how all of the characters get together, why continuity is no longer an issue, etc. So it was fine that it didn't have a very interesting story. And it expressly stated in its script, "whatever our destinies may have been, they have been forever altered." Great! I'm on board! Let's explore strange NEW worlds! Now here comes Into Darkness, and it says "hey, let's re-hash as much as we possibly can and continue to bank on nostalgia above all else. Let's completely ignore what we said last film and instead try to shoehorn those destinies back in the same direction." This doesn't mean Star Trek as a franchise is dead, it means that Into Darkness screwed up in exactly the same way that Quantum of Solace did: it failed to deliver on the promise that it's predecessor made and plopped itself back into its old habits. I'll continue to watch Star Trek (and Bond) movies until I'm old and grey, as long as there is a reason for me to.That's the thing about this article: it fails to realize that there are only so many stories, so many characters, so many notes on a scale...coming up with something new is not really coming up with something new anymore. It's just synthesizing something in a new way. That's exactly what franchises are trying to do, same as every other movie in Hollywood. It's just that some are failing and some are succeeding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alejandro 26 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 I blame Blockbuster Video and how they failed to get studios to delay selling DVDs at reasonable costs like VHS with a 6-month waiting period. New release VHS was $99. As a consequence, windows were cut to 3-4 months and cheaper, meaning people went to the theatre less for smaller films. Thus the reason why studios don't make a lot of mid budget films. Remember 1993? Holy Moley that was an awesome year and summer. With the removal of a lot of smaller and mid budget films in Theatres, studios rely on tent pole movies, and the most reliable ones are franchise films. So there is a lot of meddling from all sort of suits, leaving us with bland films that don't take a lot of risks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 It was a very nice read. Kendall makes a great point about the mild insanity of continuing to bank so much on characters created from the 40s to the early 70s and inventing so little new material (with exceptions like Harry Potter). These characters carry uncomfortable social legacies or are based on nonsensical science, and the attempts to update them are usually problematic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 it's also not a new trend by Hollywood to have film frachise. Sure the boxoffice dynamics have changed dramatically, but film series have been around since the beginning.Andy Hardy Series, the Bowery Boys, Old Mother Riley, Rathbones Sherlock Holmes series, Jungle Jim, Tarzan, Marx Brothers, Dr. Kildare, Keystone Cops, Ma and Pa Kettle, Abbott and Costello, and all the Universal Classic Monster films.The more Hollywood changes the more it stays the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 It was a very nice read. Kendall makes a great point about the mild insanity of continuing to bank so much on characters created from the 40s to the early 70s and inventing so little new material (with exceptions like Harry Potter).Yes.I have nothing against film series, I enjoy the concept if it's well done. I just want new classic characters and concepts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 The market doesn't appear to be getting any better with movies being announced on Blu-ray the same day it's being release in theaters. I think we're just moving towards a home video market that will be on par with the theater experience. Stuff like Netflix and Hulu and other VOD services will eventually have brand new movies available from Day 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted June 13, 2013 Author Share Posted June 13, 2013 http://m.hollywoodreporter.com/news/steven-spielberg-predicts-implosion-film-567604It seems to make sense with the subject of our conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 I'm surprised it hasn't imploded already.Too many films being released and it seems most of them come and go quickly. I'm not even sure $200 million means that much for domestic BO given the ridiculous budgets.Studious must be making a killing in DVD sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted June 13, 2013 Author Share Posted June 13, 2013 DVD and Blu-ray sales are already hitting the hard bottom. Studios are losing a lot of money in that department. I guess in few years they will disappear in favor of more intense and versatile VOD platforms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alejandro 26 Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 From wiki. 1993 was the last year that I remember where there were so many interesting movies to see. The big tent pole movies were limited, just jurassic park and last action hero I think. Franchise films Wayne's world 2, sister act 2 and stakeout 2 were just ok. But look at the variety of films and budgets. No way would we see a slate like this again in a single year. And these films stuck around for a while in Theatres. Why? Because of a 6-month window to rental and another 90 days to buy used. Sure, some of these were bad, but as a kid I enjoyed going to the movies every week and having lots of choices At the theatre near me last week, with 16 screens, there were only 6 movies playing!! And 4 were sequels. The Age of Innocence, directed by Martin Scorsese, starring Daniel Day-Lewis, Michelle Pfeiffer, Winona RyderAlive, starring Ethan Hawke, Vincent Spano, Josh HamiltonAmos & Andrew, starring Nicolas Cage and Samuel L. JacksonAnother Stakeout, starring Richard Dreyfuss, Emilio Estevez, Rosie O'DonnellArmy of Darkness, directed by Sam Raimi, starring Bruce Campbell and Embeth DavidtzBenny & Joon, starring Johnny Depp, Mary Stuart Masterson, Aidan QuinnBlood In Blood Out (aka Bound by Honor), directed by Taylor Hackford, starring Damian Chapa and Benjamin BrattBoxing Helena, starring Sherilyn Fenn and Julian SandsA Bronx Tale, directed by and starring Robert De Niro, with Chazz Palminteri, Lillo Brancato, Jr., Francis Capra, Joe PesciCarlito's Way, directed by Brian De Palma, starring Al Pacino, Sean Penn, Penelope Ann Miller, Luis Guzmán, John LeguizamoCliffhanger, starring Sylvester Stallone, John Lithgow, Michael Rooker, Janine TurnerConeheads, directed by Steve Barron, starring Dan Aykroyd and Jane CurtinCool Runnings, directed by Jon Turteltaub, starring John CandyThe Crush, starring Cary Elwes and Alicia SilverstoneDave, starring Kevin Kline, Sigourney Weaver, Frank Langella, Ving Rhames, Charles GrodinDazed and Confused, starring Matthew McConaughey, Ben Affleck, Parker Posey, Milla JovovichDemolition Man, starring Sylvester Stallone, Wesley Snipes, Sandra BullockDennis the Menace, starring Walter Matthau and Mason GambleDragon: The Bruce Lee Story, starring Jason Scott Lee and Lauren HollyFalling Down, directed by Joel Schumacher, starring Michael Douglas, Robert Duvall, Barbara Hershey, Rachel Ticotin, Frederic Forrest, Tuesday WeldFearless, starring Jeff Bridges, Isabella Rossellini, Rosie PerezFire in the Sky, starring Robert Patrick and D.B. SweeneyThe Firm, directed by Sydney Pollack, starring Tom Cruise, Gene Hackman, Jeanne Tripplehorn, Holly Hunter, Wilford Brimley, David Strathairn, Ed HarrisFree Willy, directed by Simon Wincer, starring Jason James Richter, Michael Madsen, Michael Ironside, Lori PettyThe Fugitive, directed by Andrew Davis, starring Harrison Ford, Tommy Lee Jones, Joe Pantoliano, Jeroen Krabbe, Sela Ward, Julianne MooreGeronimo: An American Legend, starring Wes Studi, Gene Hackman, Robert Duvall, Jason PatricGettysburg, starring Tom Berenger, Jeff Daniels, Martin SheenThe Good Son, starring Macaulay Culkin and Elijah WoodGroundhog Day, directed by Harold Ramis, starring Bill Murray and Andie MacDowellGrumpy Old Men, starring Jack Lemmon, Walter Matthau, Burgess Meredith, Daryl Hannah, Kevin Pollak, Ann-MargretHeart and Souls, starring Robert Downey, Jr., Charles Grodin, Kyra Sedgwick, Alfre Woodard, Elisabeth Shue, Tom Sizemore, David PaymeHeaven & Earth, directed by Oliver Stone, starring Tommy Lee Jones and Joan Chen - (U.S.A./France)Hocus Pocus, directed by Kenny Ortega, starring Bette Midler, Sarah Jessica Parker, Kathy NajimyHomeward Bound: The Incredible Journey, narrated by Michael J. FoxHot Shots! Part Deux, directed by Jim Abrahams, starring Charlie Sheen and Lloyd BridgesIn the Line of Fire, directed by Wolfgang Petersen, starring Clint Eastwood, John Malkovich, Rene RussoIn the Name of the Father, directed by Jim Sheridan, starring Daniel Day-Lewis, Pete Postlethwaite, Emma Thompson - (Ireland/U.K./U.S.A.) - Golden Bear AwardIndecent Proposal, directed by Adrian Lyne, starring Robert Redford, Demi Moore, Woody HarrelsonThe Joy Luck Club, directed by Wayne Wang, starring Rosalind Chao, Lauren Tom, France NuyenJudgment Night, starring Emilio Estevez, Cuba Gooding, Jr., Denis Leary, Stephen Dorff and Jeremy PivenJurassic Park, directed by Steven Spielberg, starring Sam Neill, Laura Dern, Jeff Goldblum, Richard Attenborough, Samuel L. Jackson, Wayne KnightKalifornia, directed by Dominic Sena, starring Brad Pitt, Juliette Lewis, David Duchovny, Michelle ForbesLast Action Hero, directed by John McTiernan, starring Arnold Schwarzenegger and Austin O'BrienM. Butterfly, directed by David Cronenberg, starring Jeremy Irons and John LoneMad Dog and Glory, directed by John McNaughton, starring Robert De Niro, Uma Thurman, Bill Murray, David Caruso, Kathy BakerMalice, directed by Harold Becker, starring Alec Baldwin, Nicole Kidman, Bill Pullman, Anne Bancroft, Peter Gallagher, Bebe Neuwirth, George C. ScottThe Man Without a Face, directed by and starring Mel Gibson, with Nick StahlManhattan Murder Mystery, directed by and starring Woody Allen, with Diane Keaton, Anjelica Huston, Alan AldaMatinee, starring John GoodmanMenace II Society, starring Tyrin Turner, Larenz Tate and Jada PinkettMr. Jones, directed by Mike Figgis, starring Richard Gere and Lena OlinMr. Wonderful, starring Matt Dillon, Annabella Sciorra, William Hurt, Mary-Louise Parker, Vincent D'OnofrioMrs. Doubtfire, directed by Chris Columbus, starring Robin Williams, Sally Field, Pierce Brosnan - Golden Globe Award for Best Picture (Musical or Comedy)Much Ado About Nothing, directed by and starring Kenneth Branagh, with Michael Keaton, Keanu Reeves, Emma Thompson, Denzel Washington - (U.K./U.S.A.)Naked, directed by Mike Leigh, starring David Thewlis - (U.K.)Naked in New York, starring Eric Stoltz, Mary-Louise Parker, Jill Clayburgh, Ralph Macchio, Kathleen Turner, Tony CurtisThe Nightmare Before Christmas, directed by Henry Selick Glenne Headly - (Canada)The Pelican Brief, directed by Alan J. Pakula, starring Julia Roberts and Denzel WashingtonA Perfect World, directed by Clint Eastwood, starring Kevin Costner, Eastwood, Laura Dern, Bradley WhitfordPhiladelphia, directed by Jonathan Demme, starring Tom Hanks, Denzel Washington, Antonio Banderas, Joanne Woodward, Jason RobardsThe Piano, directed by Jane Campion, starring Holly Hunter, Harvey Keitel, Sam Neill, Anna Paquin - (New Zealand/Australia/France) - Palme d'Or awardPoetic Justice, directed by John Singleton, starring Janet Jackson and Tupac Point of No Return, starring Bridget Fonda, Gabriel Byrne, Dermot Mulroney, Anne Bancroft and Harvey KeitelThe Program, starring James Caan, Halle Berry, Omar Epps, Craig Sheffer and Kristy SwansonThe Remains of the Day, directed by James Ivory, starring Anthony Hopkins, Emma Thompson, James Fox, Hugh Grant, Christopher Reeve - (U.K./U.S.A.)Rising Sun, directed by Philip Kaufman, starring Sean Connery and Wesley SnipesRoboCop 3, directed by Fred Dekker, starring Robert John Burke and Nancy AllenRobin Hood: Men in Tights, directed by Mel Brooks, starring Cary Elwes, Dave Chappelle, Amy Yasbeck, Roger Rees, Richard LewisRomeo Is Bleeding, directed by Peter Medak, starring Gary Oldman, Lena Olin, Annabella Sciorra, Juliette Lewis, Roy ScheiderRookie of the Year, directed by Daniel Stern, starring Thomas Ian Nicholas, Gary Busey, Albert HallRudy, directed by David Anspaugh, starring Sean Astin, Ned Beatty, Charles S. Dutton, Jason Miller, Jon FavreauThe Sandlot, directed by David M. EvansSchindler's List, directed by Steven Spielberg, starring Liam Neeson, Ben Kingsley, Ralph Fiennes - Academy and Golden Globe (drama) Awards for Best PictureSearching For Bobby Fischer, directed by Steven Zaillian, starring Joe Mantegna, Joan Allen, Ben Kingsley, Laurence FishburneThe Secret Garden, starring Maggie Smith - (U.K.)Shadowlands, directed by Richard Attenborough, starring Anthony Hopkins and Debra Winger - (U.K.)Short Cuts, directed by Robert Altman, starring Tim Robbins, Robert Downey, Jr., Julianne Moore, Madeleine Stowe, Chris Penn, Lori Singer, Lily Tomlin, Tom WaitsSister Act 2: Back in the Habit, directed by Bill Duke, starring Whoopi GoldbergSix Degrees of Separation, directed by Fred Schepisi, starring Stockard Channing, Will Smith, Donald SutherlandSleepless in Seattle, directed by Nora Ephron, starring Tom Hanks, Meg Ryan, Bill Pullman, Rosie O'Donnell, Rita Wilson, Rob ReinerSniper, starring Tom Berenger and Billy ZaneSo I Married an Axe Murderer, starring Mike Myers, Nancy Travis, Amanda PlummerSommersby, directed by Jon Amiel, starring Richard Gere, Jodie Foster and Bill PullmanSon in Law, starring Pauly ShoreSwing Kids, starring Christian Bale and Robert Sean LeonardThe Thing Called Love, starring River Phoenix and Samantha MathisThirty Two Short Films About Glenn Gould - (Canada)This Boy's Life, directed by Michael Caton-Jones, starring Robert De Niro, Ellen Barkin, Leonardo DiCaprioThe Three Musketeers, directed by Stephen Herek, starring Charlie Sheen, Kiefer Sutherland, Chris O'Donnell, Oliver Platt, Rebecca De Mornay - (U.K./U.S.A./Austria)Tombstone, directed by George P. Cosmatos, starring Kurt Russell, Val Kilmer, Sam Elliott, Bill Paxton, Dana Delany, Michael Biehn, Powers Boothe, Billy ZaneTrue Romance, directed by Tony Scott, written by Quentin Tarrantino, starring Christian Slater, Patricia Arquette, Dennis Hopper, Christopher Walken, Gary Oldman, Michael Rapaport, Brad PittUndercover Blues, starring Kathleen Turner and Dennis QuaidThe Vanishing, starring Jeff Bridges, Kiefer Sutherland, Nancy TravisThe War Room, directed by Chris Hegedus and D. A. PennebakerWayne's World 2, directed by Stephen Surjik, starring Mike Myers, Dana Carvey, Christopher Walken, Tia Carrere, Kim BasingerThe Wedding Banquet, directed by Ang Lee - (Taiwan/U.S.A.) - Golden Bear and Golden Space Needle awardsWhat's Eating Gilbert Grape, starring Johnny Depp, Juliette Lewis, Mary Steenburgen, Leonardo DiCaprioWhat's Love Got to Do With It, directed by Brian Gibson, starring Angela Bassett and Laurence Fishburne - Nominated for 2 Oscars, won the American Choreography Award Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 You can probably dig up such a variety today, but you have to actively search and they're much much harder to catch at the theater (where they stay much less time and the tickets cost more), leading to actually seeing that stuff in the following years instead of through that year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 I'm surprised it hasn't imploded already.Too many films being released and it seems most of them come and go quickly. I'm not even sure $200 million means that much for domestic BO given the ridiculous budgets.Studious must be making a killing in DVD sales.you do see the occasional misfire. Battleship failed. Hangover 3 has failed to live to it's first two.I suspect we'll see Lone Ranger bomb, but then again I may be wrong. I'm getting a vibe that Man of Steel will underperform. Maybe WB should do a muppet babies films instead of JLA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 you do see the occasional misfire. Battleship failed. Hangover 3 has failed to live to it's first two.John Carter...It think they should make a bigger variety of films, and have them be on theaters for a longer time with a less cost of the tickets. That way way people would go to the cinema to see more films.I don't know, make three 50 million films instead of a boring 150 million film nobody really cares about because it tries to appeal to everybody at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 john carter did fail spectacularly though it wasn't a summer film. I found it to be surprisingly fun, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 453 Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 I think studios need to rethink their "smaller slate with four $200M films" (like Disney is doing) and the microbudget pictures that Paramount's churning out every year (the Paranormal Activity films). There needs to be more modestly-budgeted films in the $25-45M range as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 I think studios need to rethink their "smaller slate with four $200M films" (like Disney is doing) and the microbudget pictures that Paramount's churning out every year (the Paranormal Activity films). There needs to be more modestly-budgeted films in the $25-45M range as well.Like District 9.A budget that allows freedom to the filmmakers, that isn't far too expensive and hard to recover, and that still allows for showing off the filmmaking talent. Then market them well and have them in cinemas for longer without blowing up the ticket prices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Ticket prices are higher because of piracy and home media though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alejandro 26 Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Ticket prices rise because budgets rise and studios wants higher and higher profits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Ticket prices are higher because of piracy and home media though.Riiiigghht. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Not exclusively, but yes. There's a number of different factors that go into it. Those are two of them.Ticket prices rise because budgets rise and studios wants higher and higher profits.But in terms of ticket price all profits go the the studio. The actual theater showing it makes pennies to the dollar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 And as Steven Soderbergh's recent speech at the San Francisco International Film Festival illustrated the film industry has become more and more show Business with capital B as the number crunchers and accountants rule the Tinseltown now. Tentpole films spend huges sums on advertising and they have to recoup both the cost of the film and the money thrown into marketing around the world and then some to make decent profits in the eyes of the studio. Just cold arithmetic. I am sure there is a bit hyperbole and generilization in Soderbergh's essay but it seems like a pretty accurate account from a person, who has been in this business for a long time and seen how it revolves and evolves. And his description applies very much to the summer blockbuster movies and franchises if anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alejandro 26 Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Movie Theatres get a share of the ticket prices a few weeks after the initial release. So that's part of the reason why studios want gigantic openings. Piracy has little affect on the overall attendance rate at the movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 No their share of the ticket price just goes up the longer the movie performs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 453 Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 No their share of the ticket price just goes up the longer the movie performs.That would explain why at my theater, movies like Inception, Stardust, Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix and The Dark Knight played until October or late September. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Trivia, which film spent the most weeks at # 1 at the boxoffice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 I would guess Titanic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 and you would be wrong, though it is #2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Her'es the listhttp://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/weekends/bestranked.htm?page=WKNDSAT1&p=.htmTitanic does have the most consecutive weeks at #1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 yes but the answer is ET. with 16 weeks at the top spot.tied for 3rd is Beverly Hills Cop and Tootsie with 14 weeks each.this bit of trivia speaks volumes about Hollywood and how the dynamics have changed.Outside of Avatar which held the #1 spot for 7 weeks, no other film of the 21st century has lasted more than 4 weeks, Passion of the Christ, Dark Knight, Return of the King and Fellowship of the Ring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Tootsie did that well?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Tootsie was an enormous hit KS, and deservedly so, it's a great film.Another remarkable film from a remarkable year in film, 1982. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 I know but I never knew it was a huge hit like that. Love Grusin's score and miss Syndey Pollack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamsStarShip2282 308 Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2013/jun/13/steven-spielberg-george-lucas-film-industry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2013/jun/13/steven-spielberg-george-lucas-film-industryalready posted in this thread, see post #13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 One of our theaters here had Raiders of the Lost Ark playing for 36 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Her'es the listhttp://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/weekends/bestranked.htm?page=WKNDSAT1&p=.htmTitanic does have the most consecutive weeks at #1But look how that took 28 million on its first weekend. Now it would be considered a dismal failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 I remember what a big deal it was when TPM hit 60 + million its opening weekend and then did almost the same number the next weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted June 14, 2013 Author Share Posted June 14, 2013 Much of Titanic's success was built on word-of-mouth, with people genuinely falling in love and awe with the movie, almost to the point of seeing it an absurd number of times on the big screen. I still remember very well that the film arrived in theaters with a very bad reputation among film journalists and insiders, which were all quite sure the film would bomb badly, mainly because of the many horror stories about the problems during shooting and Cameron's megalomaniac approach.It's probably the last time a movie built its own success and audience the old-fashioned way, with masses of people going again and again to the theater for a quite long period of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Though AVATAR was not altogether different: lots of internet backlash after the 20-minute showreel and lots of anxiety on Fox/Paramount's side before it was ushered in theatres. Then look what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted June 14, 2013 Author Share Posted June 14, 2013 Yes, but Avatar's marketing push was much bigger than Titanic and the movie opened immediately to very high figures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 I don't remember any of that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 One of our theaters here had Raiders of the Lost Ark playing for 36 weeks.Raiders stayed forever it seemed in Little Rock, same with Star Wars and ET.but the movie that I remember staying the longest was Walking Tall. It stayed at one theatre at least 54 weeks. that was one terrific movie back then, I would like to see it now and see how it holds up. It's been years.another remarkable thing about Titanic, if you adjust it's gross for inflation it's still in the top 5 all time. Gone with the Wind Star Wars, Sound of Music, E.T., Titanic.As huge as the Avengers seemed last year it sits at #27. It's rare that I attend a movie that's a sellout. But to it's credit opening night of Iron Man 3 was a sellout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 The Joe Don Baker movie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Yes, but Avatar's marketing push was much bigger than Titanic and the movie opened immediately to very high figures.I remember it didn't open all that well for its budget and then it grew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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