Howard Shore's The Desolation Of Smaug (Hobbit Part 2)

[Incanus 5,714]

So has your heart cooled from those times? What is left of your love now?

[Jay 37,352]

21 minutes ago, SafeUnderHill said:

 

What were the reactions to the samples?

 

http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/22197-howard-shores-an-unexpected-journey-hobbit-part-1/&do=findComment&comment=856234

[Barnald 365]

Sort of depressing seeing all that optimism. Exciting times though.

[Incanus 5,714]

It was before the dark times. Before PJ's new film scoring methodology.

[SafeUnderHill 205]

[Barnald 365]

2 minutes ago, SafeUnderHill said:

 

I think I may have listened to the samples before but I'm not sure.

 

If I had done then I don't remember being particularly impressed, and I was certainly disappointed with the score walking out of the cinema.

 

See BB! You completely misjudged him.

[SafeUnderHill 205]

[Barnald 365]

 

2 minutes ago, SafeUnderHill said:

 

Of course not! DOS was an even better score than AUJ!

 

Sorry BB - I take it all back.

[Incanus 5,714]

It sure is an emotional rollercoaster here.

[KK 3,307]

I remember freaking out when I first heard the samples for "Under Hill" and "Brass Buttons". That brief glimpse at those brass clusters oozed awesomness.

 

3 hours ago, Incanus said:

So has your heart cooled from those times? What is left of your love now?

 

My heart is still with Shore, but it has hardened and grown numb by the errors of lesser men!

[Disco Stu 15,495]

On 11/28/2013 at 0:29 AM, Incanus said:

But it might be the same situation as some people were hearing the Fate of the Ring in the opening of the Moon Runes and Doug Adams refuted that as conincidence. Sounds somewhat the same but isn't.

 

This information proved useful to me, 4 years later.  Listening to the AUJ soundtrack right now, and that similarity suddenly just struck me and away I went searchin'!

 

Cheers.

[Bilbo 3,709]

Was AUJ released five years ago this December? What the actual fuck?

[BloodBoal 7,538]

And still not CR release. Time to give up hope, guys!

[Naïve Old Fart 9,516]

Don't give up, just yet. Remember, it took 20 years for anything like the complete scores for the STAR WARS OT to be released 

[BloodBoal 7,538]

And it only took 4 years for each of the LOTR CRs to be released after their respective film.

 

It is over.

[Naïve Old Fart 9,516]

Rome wasn't built in a day...a day-and-a-half, maybe 

[Richard Penna 3,686]

Shore got his preferred presentation right off the bat. I can't see there being a particular push for CRs.

[BloodBoal 7,538]

Indeed!

[SafeUnderHill 205]

[aj_vader 534]

I think Shore personally pushed for the LOTR CR's to be released, maybe he's not happy with the Hobbit Trilogy and isn't pushing for them to be released. 

[Barnald 365]

Shore abandoned us long ago. All our hopes now lie with Doug, somewhere in the wilderness.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

He turned from that path long ago, he has chosen Indiana Jones!

[Arpy 4,145]

[The Illustrious Jerry 3,356]

Two words for y'all:

 

THRICE WELCOME

[Chen G. 3,949]

What about it?

[John 2,032]

He means we are all welcome to post in this thread.

[Chen G. 3,949]

Which we otherwise weren't?

 

I was thinking it was more in reference to the piece "Thrice Welcome" or the section of the film that it accompanies.

 

Didn't @Jerry say he liked the piece previously?

 

Edit: oh, I get it, John.

[John 2,032]

Excellent recognition of humor.

[The Illustrious Jerry 3,356]

On 18/02/2018 at 10:47 AM, Chen G. said:

I was thinking it was more in reference to the piece "Thrice Welcome" or the section of the film that it accompanies.

 

Didn't @Jerry say he liked the piece previously?

 

You have an excellent memory, Chen. I enjoy the piece very much. It sounds a little baroque to me, and I fancy it.

[Chen G. 3,949]

It sounds very baroque, indeed. That’s the point of the Laketown theme (as well as the Master’s). It’s also one of Howard Shore’s most memorable and hummable melodies, that’s for sure.

 

It also helps that this is one of the film’s most assured parts: it deliberately slows down to let us become somewhat invested in Laketown so we understand Bard’s objection to the quest. That's what I like about it: That the argument that is set up against our protagonist's conviction (and yes, the protagonist is Thorin) is not a strawman. How many adventure films undermine the very premise of the adventure, as this one does?

 

But than, to me, this film specifically is full of happy takeaways. Not only is it my favorite of the three, It’s also the only film out of the sextet that I often just want to watch and proceed pop-in; the others I typically only watch as part of a marathon viewing.

 

[gkgyver 1,645]

I don't remember this being answered. 

Was Gandalf's confrontation with Sauron in DOS ever scored?

[Jay 37,352]

What do you mean?  It's at the end of the "A Spell of Concealment" OST track.  Maybe I don't understand exactly what you're asking?

[Holko 9,525]

The part that got used for Gandalf running around with Azog before finding Sauron syncs up wonderfully with the Gandalf-Necromancer duel before Sauron is revealed.

[Jay 37,352]

I'm lost

[Smaug The Iron 513]

Gkgyver is wondering if the Light vs Dark fight between Gandalf and the necromancer was scored. The thing that happens before the necromancer is revealed to be Sauron ( and is on the OST)

[Jay 37,352]

Ahhh.  It's been so long since I've seen the film I didn't remember what even happens in that scene

 

I think he sketched something out but who knows if it was ever recorded

[gkgyver 1,645]

1 hour ago, Holko said:

The part that got used for Gandalf running around with Azog before finding Sauron syncs up wonderfully with the Gandalf-Necromancer duel before Sauron is revealed.

 

Time stamp?

[Holko 9,525]

9 hours ago, Jay said:

I'm lost

 

8 hours ago, gkgyver said:

 

Time stamp?

Better:

Pretty much all of it syncs up realy well actually, and I think it reacts to the cuts and events in a way consistent with how Shore scored the LotRs, with the unnoticeable flourishes, and the whole thing being a duel between Gandalf's motif and darker material.

[gkgyver 1,645]

You think this was actually intended there? Or just that it fits?

[Jay 37,352]

OK, I'm completely lost.  What OTHER scene do you think that music could possibly have been for?

[Chen G. 3,949]

I'm pretty sure it is meant for the scene it actually scored in the film: the confrontation with Azog and the chase immediately preceding the encounter with Sauron.

[Jay 37,352]

Huh.  This shows you how little I remember the film despite how much I love the score.  I don't even remember that scene

 

I'm pretty sure this music was intended like the video shows.  Why would Shore use a huge version of Sauron's theme for some Azog chase and not for the big Gandalf/Sauron confrontation like shown here?

 

I always assumed Bloodboal basically got everything right in these videos:

 

http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/23483-the-hobbit-score-restored-unused-howard-shore-music-restored-to-picture/

[Chen G. 3,949]

BloodBoal's videos don't show music scoring the black-and-white battle.

[Jay 37,352]

Ahhh I understand everything now.  GK first asked about "the confrontation with Sauron" and I thought he meant the bit that his big theme syncs up to, like in both videos.

 

Whether the music before that part is for the Azog chase or the black and white battle.... surely @Jim Ware or @Doug Adams can pop in and say?

 

 

[gkgyver 1,645]

Did anyone make an edit and put A Spell Of Concealment and Thrain together in chronological order?

[Jay 37,352]

You mean Thrain and On The Doorstep?

 

http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/23483-the-hobbit-score-restored-unused-howard-shore-music-restored-to-picture/&do=findComment&comment=1072670

[gkgyver 1,645]

No, I mean the Dol Guldur stuff in order. Which would go something like

 

Spell Of Concealment beginning -> Gandalf Enters Dol Guldur mockup -> Thrain track as it is -> Spell Of Concealment second half

[Jay 37,352]

No, that's not right.  The chronological order of the DOS score is here:

 

http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/23304-howard-shores-the-desolation-of-smaug-hobbit-part-2/&do=findComment&comment=1067130

 

EDIT: Oh, you mean like making a mini-suite of JUST Dol Goldur music, skipping past scenes with other characters?  Not sure how well that would work musically nor if anyone else would have done that, but aren't you capable of doing that yourself?

[gkgyver 1,645]

I could, but maybe someone already did it.

[Jay 37,352]

You never know!

 

I had the thought of doing something similar for The Two Towers once; A playlist of all the Sam/Frodo/Gollum cues, a playlist of all the Three Hunters cues, etc... but I never got around to doing it.