MedigoScan 364 Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 well the one in the credits seems to be used twice in the movie anyway, but you will come across it soon in your other topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Meredith McKay 7,773 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 but otherwise I stick to official releases.So the DVD is unofficial since the AUJ EE offered no new music apart from that god-awful Goblintown song.).,Bofur's song, and extended Valley of Imladris.I want from BOFA:The bit of music cut out of The Darkest Hour when Bard sends his kids with Alfrid that uses Bards Family, Alfrid's theme, and the Erebor theme.The bit of Erebor on the Tuba cut out of The Gathering of the Clouds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Incanus 5,858 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 since the AUJ EE offered no new music apart from that god-awful Goblintown song.).Bofur's song, and extended Valley of Imladris.My point still stands! The AUJ EE doesn't offer any interesting new music!Yeah not much (if anything) new in those 10 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Incanus 5,858 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Well, of course, the fact that most of the music exclusive to the EE was already available on the OST release played a part in this.Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meredith McKay 7,773 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 since the AUJ EE offered no new music apart from that god-awful Goblintown song.).Bofur's song, and extended Valley of Imladris.My point still stands! The AUJ EE doesn't offer any interesting new music!But that's not what you said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Incanus 5,858 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Conrad always seems to be selling himself as a musician, and talking about his skills he's gotten from his years in the industry. Those piccolo runs he suggested in the Orc attack were pretty dreadful... Thank goodness PJ rejected it.Pope is a humble and highly likeable guy, who acknowledges his role as an orchestrator and conductor on this project and readily gives praise to the orchestra for which he has a high regard. And it is true that he has accumulated a lot of experience from working with the top composers of Hollywood and undoubtedly learned a thing or two while orchestrating for them. He is not a bad composer either but alas he hasn't had that many chances to score movies and in the end he seems to be enjoying his work as an orchestator (and it pays the bills) quite a lot. Oh and that "Psycho" moment which he tried is another one of those "on the podium" changes Shore himself did on these scores all the time. Pope has the slight disadvantage of not having composed the music himself so he has to both take Shore's style into consideration and try to fulfill PJs requests for the changes in tone and style. That interpretation of PJs commentary didn't quite stick so they did another one and I believe Pope's second adaptation ended up in the film (and on the album as well). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,310 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Pope is a wonderful composer. What few works he's done are full of colour. And he's a master orchestrator. The detuned strings for some of the Smaug material was a stroke of genius. I was surprised and a bit disappointed to see that Shore wasn't behind that. Incanus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KK 3,310 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 A taste of the Pope's own work: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Incanus 5,858 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Tim's Vermeer comes close to sounding like Desplat, another composer Pope has orchestrated for. And naturally Pope has his own preferences when it comes to styles and composers he likes. I don't think he said anything disparaging about Shore's music though. Certainly not in the documentary itself. I can recall some comment on how NZSO's sound would be better suited for different kind of music but that's about it.As a member of one of the most self-deprecating and humble people (all because of our national weakness, envy) in the world I can say I didn't find Pope's raising of his own tail too bad. He made it clear he is a pro and that is why they hired him. He knows his stuff.And I can't claim NZSO wouldn't sound good when playing the music of the Hobbit. Their sound is a bit different from the LPO but that is entirely natural and it would be impossible to mimic another orchestra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KK 3,310 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Pope is a huge Desplat fanboy. I really admire the guy and enjoy his posts, but sometimes the endless raving about Desplat just comes off as a bit silly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,858 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Pope is a huge Desplat fanboy. I really admire the guy and enjoy his posts, but sometimes the endless raving about Desplat just comes off as a bit silly Well he is a fanboy of Williams as well. Since Johnny hasn't been churning out stuff means he can focus on Desplat praise 24/7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KK 3,310 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Pope is a huge Desplat fanboy. I really admire the guy and enjoy his posts, but sometimes the endless raving about Desplat just comes off as a bit silly Well he is a fanboy of Williams as well. Since Johnny hasn't been churning out stuff means he can focus on Desplat praise 24/7. Yes, but with Williams, I'd understand. Desplat belongs to a different generation, and yet he's held at the same pedestal as Williams, Goldsmith, Hermann, and other such greats. I just find that a bit amusing is all. Yes, that statement about the music not being able to show off their talent. Also Pope is not afraid to sing his praise of Williams, Desplat and some others, so when he never compliments the Middle Earth scores it kind of stands out.Not that there's anything wrong with him having his own musical tastes/admirations, but as a fan it's more reassuring to know your scores are looked after by people who love them.I'm sure Pope respected Shore and his music as much as Pj did.I hope that's not the case! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KK 3,310 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Which one do you think he was referring to SUH? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gkgyver 1,647 Posted April 13, 2015 Author Share Posted April 13, 2015 Conrad always seems to be selling himself as a musician, and talking about his skills he's gotten from his years in the industry. Those piccolo runs he suggested in the Orc attack were pretty dreadful... Thank goodness PJ rejected it.Pope is a humble and highly likeable guy, who acknowledges his role as an orchestrator and conductor on this project and readily gives praise to the orchestra for which he has a high regard. And it is true that he has accumulated a lot of experience from working with the top composers of Hollywood and undoubtedly learned a thing or two while orchestrating for them. He is not a bad composer either but alas he hasn't had that many chances to score movies and in the end he seems to be enjoying his work as an orchestator (and it pays the bills) quite a lot. Oh and that "Psycho" moment which he tried is another one of those "on the podium" changes Shore himself did on these scores all the time. Pope has the slight disadvantage of not having composed the music himself so he has to both take Shore's style into consideration and try to fulfill PJs requests for the changes in tone and style. That interpretation of PJs commentary didn't quite stick so they did another one and I believe Pope's second adaptation ended up in the film (and on the album as well).That second take that was shown in the documentary, was suggested by that troll-looking guy in the control booth, name escapes me right now. He suggested an additional trumpet line doubling an octave above.Pope's suggestion was pretty freaking horrible, and I very much doubt Shore would do anything like that on the podium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,858 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Conrad always seems to be selling himself as a musician, and talking about his skills he's gotten from his years in the industry. Those piccolo runs he suggested in the Orc attack were pretty dreadful... Thank goodness PJ rejected it.Pope is a humble and highly likeable guy, who acknowledges his role as an orchestrator and conductor on this project and readily gives praise to the orchestra for which he has a high regard. And it is true that he has accumulated a lot of experience from working with the top composers of Hollywood and undoubtedly learned a thing or two while orchestrating for them. He is not a bad composer either but alas he hasn't had that many chances to score movies and in the end he seems to be enjoying his work as an orchestator (and it pays the bills) quite a lot. Oh and that "Psycho" moment which he tried is another one of those "on the podium" changes Shore himself did on these scores all the time. Pope has the slight disadvantage of not having composed the music himself so he has to both take Shore's style into consideration and try to fulfill PJs requests for the changes in tone and style. That interpretation of PJs commentary didn't quite stick so they did another one and I believe Pope's second adaptation ended up in the film (and on the album as well).That second take that was shown in the documentary, was suggested by that troll-looking guy in the control booth, name escapes me right now. He suggested an additional trumpet line doubling an octave above.Pope's suggestion was pretty freaking horrible, and I very much doubt Shore would do anything like that on the podium.Oh yeah the little gnome looking fellow suggested it. Pope's fluting version certainly was not that great. But it is silly to even speculate what Shore would have done as he was not there. Pope tried one, albeit an extreme thing, and it didn't stick. Then they tried again. I am sure there were moments of such trial and error with Shore and PJ when scoring LotR where alternate too strong or too weak approach was discarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,855 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Listen to Soul Of The Ultimate Nation for instrumentation choices that PJ would have probably nixed for LOTR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,858 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Listen to Soul Of The Ultimate Nation for instrumentation choices that PJ would have probably nixed for LOTR.That is a cool score btw. I doubt Shore would have gone the theremin way for the Hobbit though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,855 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Sure he would have.SUN is a nice mixture of Shores LOTR style and his more eccentric Cronenberg sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,858 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Although it lacks the strong thematic core of the first. But it works more like a tone poem with each individual piece painting a unique mood or scenario with only a few motifs tying it all together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Incanus 5,858 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Sure he would have.SUN is a nice mixture of Shores LOTR style and his more eccentric Cronenberg sound.It's a video game score! Ugh!Yes what gives Stefan?!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,855 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 It was Shore doing a LOTR type score before the CR's came out and the world was dying to hear more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,858 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Fair enough. Another Middle-earthy score of his from the same period is A History of Violence. It sounds in parts like some of the moodier passages of LotR and the main theme seems like a slightly more sombre variation on the Shire material. Plus the Nazgûl rhythms make another noticeable appearance (check out the track called Run). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crossfader 626 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 As a member of one of the most self-deprecating and humble people (all because of our national weakness, envy) in the world I can say I didn't find Pope's raising of his own tail too bad. He made it clear he is a pro and that is why they hired him. He knows his stuff.Pope is a very humble and benevolent man himself, really. Some testimony of his kindness: last week, when I had asked him whether he was hired to orchestrate for Williams on STAR WARS VII or not, I had received an incredibly eloquent, lengthy response on the matter. I thought it would be interesting to ask him for some advice for young, aspiring composers while we were in touch (particularly concerning the art of orchestration), did so, and received an even lengthier response in return, full of wise council and practical tips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 42,067 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Conrad always seems to be selling himself as a musician, and talking about his skills he's gotten from his years in the industry. Those piccolo runs he suggested in the Orc attack were pretty dreadful... Thank goodness PJ rejected it.Pope is a humble and highly likeable guy, who acknowledges his role as an orchestrator and conductor on this project and readily gives praise to the orchestra for which he has a high regard. And it is true that he has accumulated a lot of experience from working with the top composers of Hollywood and undoubtedly learned a thing or two while orchestrating for them. He is not a bad composer either but alas he hasn't had that many chances to score movies and in the end he seems to be enjoying his work as an orchestator (and it pays the bills) quite a lot. Oh and that "Psycho" moment which he tried is another one of those "on the podium" changes Shore himself did on these scores all the time. Pope has the slight disadvantage of not having composed the music himself so he has to both take Shore's style into consideration and try to fulfill PJs requests for the changes in tone and style. That interpretation of PJs commentary didn't quite stick so they did another one and I believe Pope's second adaptation ended up in the film (and on the album as well). That second take that was shown in the documentary, was suggested by that troll-looking guy in the control booth, name escapes me right now. He suggested an additional trumpet line doubling an octave above. Pope's suggestion was pretty freaking horrible, and I very much doubt Shore would do anything like that on the podium.Oh yeah the little gnome looking fellow suggested it. Pope's fluting version certainly was not that great. But it is silly to even speculate what Shore would have done as he was not there. Pope tried one, albeit an extreme thing, and it didn't stick. Then they tried again. I am sure there were moments of such trial and error with Shore and PJ when scoring LotR where alternate too strong or too weak approach was discarded. What are you guys talking about now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Incanus 5,858 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Conrad always seems to be selling himself as a musician, and talking about his skills he's gotten from his years in the industry. Those piccolo runs he suggested in the Orc attack were pretty dreadful... Thank goodness PJ rejected it.Pope is a humble and highly likeable guy, who acknowledges his role as an orchestrator and conductor on this project and readily gives praise to the orchestra for which he has a high regard. And it is true that he has accumulated a lot of experience from working with the top composers of Hollywood and undoubtedly learned a thing or two while orchestrating for them. He is not a bad composer either but alas he hasn't had that many chances to score movies and in the end he seems to be enjoying his work as an orchestator (and it pays the bills) quite a lot. Oh and that "Psycho" moment which he tried is another one of those "on the podium" changes Shore himself did on these scores all the time. Pope has the slight disadvantage of not having composed the music himself so he has to both take Shore's style into consideration and try to fulfill PJs requests for the changes in tone and style. That interpretation of PJs commentary didn't quite stick so they did another one and I believe Pope's second adaptation ended up in the film (and on the album as well).That second take that was shown in the documentary, was suggested by that troll-looking guy in the control booth, name escapes me right now. He suggested an additional trumpet line doubling an octave above.Pope's suggestion was pretty freaking horrible, and I very much doubt Shore would do anything like that on the podium.Oh yeah the little gnome looking fellow suggested it. Pope's fluting version certainly was not that great. But it is silly to even speculate what Shore would have done as he was not there. Pope tried one, albeit an extreme thing, and it didn't stick. Then they tried again. I am sure there were moments of such trial and error with Shore and PJ when scoring LotR where alternate too strong or too weak approach was discarded.What are you guys talking about now?The music for the orc attack on Bard's home in DoS and how it was modified and how Pope's first approach was way over the top and it was the supervising music editor Mark Willsher who apparently came up with the version that satisfied PJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 42,067 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Hmmm, I'll have to watch that bonus feature again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meredith McKay 7,773 Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 I thought it sounded great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,647 Posted April 15, 2015 Author Share Posted April 15, 2015 Oh shut up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Incanus 5,858 Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 The psychedelic/rock version of the Mirkwood theme in the appendices made me laugh!Yeah that was a fun little musical joke. I wonder who did the additional music for the documentaries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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