SafeUnderHill 205 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 404 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Previously I have thought it as a variation on Gandalf's theme, sort of like the music heard in The Prancing Pony.Yeah now that you mention it you could be onto something.Or perhaps nothing.Are you suggesting I have nothing down my trousers? I resent that accusation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meredith McKay 7,700 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 I mean what's the similarity between Bilbo's theme and the Mirkwood Bilbo/Gandalf conversation.Well, to me it almost sounds like a "flattened" version of the bit I mentioned above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,852 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Previously I have thought it as a variation on Gandalf's theme, sort of like the music heard in The Prancing Pony.Yeah now that you mention it you could be onto something.Or perhaps nothing.Are you suggesting I have nothing down my trousers? I resent that accusationIt isn't Bilbo's or Gandalf's theme is it? So there is nothing more to discuss about those trousers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 404 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 You'll never know what I have down my trousers now. Many themes could reside down there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meredith McKay 7,700 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 You could say that about any two pieces of music!this is just my private interpretation, don't try to argue it away from me! SafeUnderHill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,852 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 So back to score. The Quest of Erebor. Was there any confirmation what the opening figure relates to thematically or does it remain a mystery? The opening sounds to me just like a slowed down variant of the Hobbit Skip-beat, which is soon reprised after the title card for the shots of Bree and we see Thorin arriving as Shore re-enacts very faithfully musically the moment from FotR when the hobbits (with their music) arrive to the gate and pass inside the hedge. What do you guys think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,542 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meredith McKay 7,700 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 And I mentioned that the strings in the background almost sounded like the Arkenstone theme (but have since kinda rejected that view)And that it goes into what sounds like the last four notes of House of Durin before moving to The Shire theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,852 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 This little opening of the piece is like "all things to all men". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 41,830 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 So back to score. The Quest of Erebor. Was there any confirmation what the opening figure relates to thematically or does it remain a mystery? The opening sounds to me just like a slowed down variant of the Hobbit Skip-beat, which is soon reprised after the title card for the shots of Bree and we see Thorin arriving as Shore re-enacts very faithfully musically the moment from FotR when the hobbits (with their music) arrive to the gate and pass inside the hedge. What do you guys think?I think the Warner Brothers Logos music in both AUJ and DOS is deliberately a unique configuration of notes that is created by taking other themes and playing with them in musical ways I cannot possibly describe, so much so that they sound like new themes to start. When I first heard the AUJ OST I thought "Oh, cool new theme!". Then Doug told us it was a blend of House of Durin and History of the Ring, which makes sense of course, but I don't know the musical terms to describe how you get from those two themes to what we hear in the logos music of AUJ.I don't think Doug ever posted what the DOS logos music is all about?And it's another massive dissapointment about BOFA that Shore couldn't completely the trilogy with another unique theme blend, and had to start the score differently than the first two. Blast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,542 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meredith McKay 7,700 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Except it is a blend of themes in BOTFA, it's the introduction of the new dragon sickness/thorin corruption theme. Which is a variation on Smaug's theme and potentially others things.I wondered recently whether 2:58 of The Quest for Erebor is a reference to this BOTFA dragon sickness theme. I don't know where it plays in the scene.Its not totally new, you can hear it in DOS during one of the Smaug tracks on Disc 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,852 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 What is this dragon-sickness theme you're referring to? Example?Yes please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,852 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 What is this dragon-sickness theme you're referring to? Example?Fire and Water 0:53I always thought it was just another new variant on Smaug's themes rather than a specific new theme. Smaug's themes become Thorin's which illustrates the sickness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,542 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 41,830 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Dragon Sickness is all over DOS!Dragon SicknessDOS 2-04 1:57-2:10DOS 2-10 0:00-0:20DOS 2-10 2:00-2:37DOS 2-10 3:04-3:34DOS 2-12 0:14-0:24DOS 2-12 4:05-5:02DOS 2-13 2:04-2:34 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,542 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meredith McKay 7,700 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Except it is a blend of themes in BOTFA, it's the introduction of the new dragon sickness/thorin corruption theme. Which is a variation on Smaug's theme and potentially others things.I wondered recently whether 2:58 of The Quest for Erebor is a reference to this BOTFA dragon sickness theme. I don't know where it plays in the scene.Its not totally new, you can hear it in DOS during one of the Smaug tracks on Disc 2.2:18 Liar and a Thief Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,852 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Dragon Sickness is all over DOS!Dragon SicknessDOS 2-04 1:57-2:10DOS 2-10 0:00-0:20DOS 2-10 2:00-2:37DOS 2-10 3:04-3:34DOS 2-12 0:14-0:24DOS 2-12 4:05-5:02DOS 2-13 2:04-2:34So this little motoric ostinato figure in the strings is specifically the Dragon-Sickness motif? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 41,830 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 I'm lost in this conversation, then.SUH, specific timestamps and a better explanation please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,542 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 So this little motoric ostinato figure in the strings is specifically the Dragon-Sickness motif?Yep. I think it was even confirmed by Doug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meredith McKay 7,700 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 SUH, specific timestamps and a better explanation please!He already did, the variant of Smaug's theme at 0:53 of Fire and Water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,542 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meredith McKay 7,700 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Except it is a blend of themes in BOTFA, it's the introduction of the new dragon sickness/thorin corruption theme. Which is a variation on Smaug's theme and potentially others things.I wondered recently whether 2:58 of The Quest for Erebor is a reference to this BOTFA dragon sickness theme. I don't know where it plays in the scene.Its not totally new, you can hear it in DOS during one of the Smaug tracks on Disc 2.2:18 Liar and a ThiefI presume you're referring to 2:23.No I mean the string melody at 2:18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,542 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 God, this conversation is confusing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 41,830 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 0:53 of Fire and Water is that blending of SMaug's A and B themes. I don't think any of Smaug's themes have a unique identity of their own, Shore just choosing which sounds best for the scene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 41,830 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 What is this dragon-sickness theme you're referring to? Example?Fire and Water 0:53 (four descending notes then the alternating ones)It also shows up:5:15 To the Death2:58 The Ruins of DaleIn the film when Bilbo looks over the Thorin after Smaug dies, the alternating notes playI think you're really stretching here, or you have your tracks/timestamps wrong. I don't here anything similar in those last two tracks to each other, and neither sounds like the Smaug Theme blend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meredith McKay 7,700 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 I'm lost in this conversation, then.SUH, specific timestamps and a better explanation please!What is this dragon-sickness theme you're referring to? Example?Fire and Water 0:53 (four descending notes then the alternating ones)It also shows up:5:15 To the Death2:58 The Ruins of DaleIn the film when Bilbo looks over the Thorin after Smaug dies, the alternating notes playBB Beat me to it!Except it is a blend of themes in BOTFA, it's the introduction of the new dragon sickness/thorin corruption theme. Which is a variation on Smaug's theme and potentially others things.I wondered recently whether 2:58 of The Quest for Erebor is a reference to this BOTFA dragon sickness theme. I don't know where it plays in the scene.Its not totally new, you can hear it in DOS during one of the Smaug tracks on Disc 2.2:18 Liar and a ThiefI presume you're referring to 2:23.No I mean the string melody at 2:18There is no melody at 2:18 of A Liar and a Thief. It's just Smaug's pulsing minor/major chords and strings playing semiquavers.It's the same melody as at 0:30 of Fire and Water Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 41,830 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 I guess I'll just wait for Doug's book, unless you can find it in more tracks that might sound more obvious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meredith McKay 7,700 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 0:31 of Fire and Water is the same - I agree. But there is no melody playing.I hear F# F C# C A# in both examples Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,542 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Can you guys please stop quoting posts with quotes in them?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meredith McKay 7,700 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 I tried deleting some, but sometimes it deletes everything, so I did not want to risk it. SafeUnderHill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 41,830 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 My head hurts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,852 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Yes this is most confusing.I can easily picture this becoming a shouting match if we were ever going to get together to figure these things out face-to-face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now