Luke Skywalker 1,622 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 she will die in the next film?along with his secret dwarven love Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 364 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Doug has confirmed on twitter that the samples were the first 30 seconds of each track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 33,670 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 It was obvious to me they were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Presto 4,254 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 It prbably seems like that because we don't have the endings of each track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke905 16 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 RETURNING themes I hear in these samples:03 A Necromancer0:02-0:27 is this a new variation of Descending Thirds?08 Barrels Out Of Bond0:00-0:13 Bilbo's Adventure Theme0:22-end Bilbo's Fussy Theme12 The High Fells0:09-0:11 is that choral word from the Ringwraith theme?0:11-end the High Fells strings from Edge of the Wild13 The Nature of Evilall The Woodland Realm theme (theme when Thranduil enters Erebor in My Dear Frodo)17 Durin's Folk0:18- 0:28 Erebor18 In The Shadow of the Mountainall Is this the opening logos theme from AUJ?19 A Spell of Concealment0:11-end Descending Thirds21 The Courage of Hobbits0:09-end The Shire22 Inside Information0:07-0:09 first two notes of Smaug's Theme24 A Liar and a Thief0:200:25 Smaug's inverted theme (from Axe or Sword)Did I miss anything?Good list! From what I can make out, I would add:10 The Forest riverThe motive started in the horns and continued in the trumpets sounds like a more action-oriented variant of the Woodland Realm theme20 On the DoorstepErebor motive at the beginning and end. Also, the short horn bit in the middle is reminiscent of "Into the West", but I'd guess that's coincidental At the end of On the Doorstep I believe there is a hint of Gandalf's Theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Yes Beyond the Forest seems to be the answer to my pining for a nice choral piece over the credits. SafeUnderHill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Yes, like Amandil traveling to the West to plead for the intervention of the Valar on behalf of Numenor under Sauron, Doug has plead for JWFan under Sheeran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke905 16 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 RETURNING themes I hear in these samples:03 A Necromancer0:02-0:27 is this a new variation of Descending Thirds?08 Barrels Out Of Bond0:00-0:13 Bilbo's Adventure Theme0:22-end Bilbo's Fussy Theme12 The High Fells0:09-0:11 is that choral word from the Ringwraith theme?0:11-end the High Fells strings from Edge of the Wild13 The Nature of Evilall The Woodland Realm theme (theme when Thranduil enters Erebor in My Dear Frodo)17 Durin's Folk0:18- 0:28 Erebor18 In The Shadow of the Mountainall Is this the opening logos theme from AUJ?19 A Spell of Concealment0:11-end Descending Thirds21 The Courage of Hobbits0:09-end The Shire22 Inside Information0:07-0:09 first two notes of Smaug's Theme24 A Liar and a Thief0:200:25 Smaug's inverted theme (from Axe or Sword)Did I miss anything?In addition to the Gandalf's Theme in On the Doorstep that I mentioned earlier, in Durin's Folk we can hear a hint of Thorin's theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,644 Posted November 17, 2013 Author Share Posted November 17, 2013 You can catch the first glimpse of the clavicord at the very end of Thrice Welcome, even though it's basically just a blop in the audio. It will be interesting to hear how it's used. Once and Dixon Hill 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Presto 4,254 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 For some reason, that bit makes me think of William's PoA. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 33,670 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Good list! From what I can make out, I would add: 10 The Forest river The motive started in the horns and continued in the trumpets sounds like a more action-oriented variant of the Woodland Realm theme I'm not hearing that. 20 On the Doorstep Erebor motive at the beginning and end. Also, the short horn bit in the middle is reminiscent of "Into the West", but I'd guess that's coincidental Ah yes!! Lovely new arrangement of the Erebor theme to open the track! At the end of On the Doorstep I believe there is a hint of Gandalf's Theme. I'm not hearing that. As mentioned above, that's the Erebor theme. In addition to the Gandalf's Theme in On the Doorstep that I mentioned earlier, in Durin's Folk we can hear a hint of Thorin's theme. Yup, like it's straining to the Thorin's theme and playing the first 2 notes, but doesn't resolve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,288 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 You mean in this video?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LodYTJYpnT0#t=0Why would an action track from the finale contain Radagast's theme?Either Radagast's old theme was kept for continued use, or he no longer has any theme at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 33,670 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 I can't imagine what Radagast would have to do with the finale of DOS. Gandalf doesn't even rejoin the company until TABA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,288 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Exactly. That can't be Radagast's "new" theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,288 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Nah, that's just the common stylistic traits of Shore's writing that you're hearing.I don't think Radagast's alternate music in film actually had a theme for the character.At 13:22 of be YouTube video (containing the DOS snippets) I think could be Radagasts new theme. It sounds like an alteration of the version cut out of the AUJ film, it also features some of that string vibration sound (not sure what the technical term is, it's not a trill I know that) used the film version of Radagast The Brown.Are you talking about 13:24? That is a trill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,971 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 I can't imagine what Radagast would have to do with the finale of DOS. Gandalf doesn't even rejoin the company until TABA.It seems he helps Gandalf escape from Dol Guldur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,067 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Am I the only that doesn't like Thrice Welcome? It seems...oddly anachronistic in a universe that's really a mixture of anachronisms. I know, I sound like a silly mad-man. But it sounds too Elizabethan for the strange concoction of human history that is Middle Earth. Harpsichords are too late-medieval–renaissance for Middle Earth. They belong to Harry Potter, not Lord of the Rings. - Gone off the Deep End Blume. Debating the validity of instrumental history for a fantasy film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 33,670 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Nope, sounds great to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,067 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 The music is fine. THE HARPSICHORD MUST GO! It damages the integrity of the Middle Earth soundscape! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 33,670 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Wait until you've heard the whole thing :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,616 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 The music is fine. THE HARPSICHORD MUST GO! It damages the integrity of the Middle Earth soundscape! On one hand it might sound strange, on the other the Lake Town setting is a cultural melting pot with the wordly sly Master, where it might be entirely appropriate to have such a sound as clavichord added to the musical palette. It has both the feel of refinement and sophistication and somehow it sounds sly and sinister as well. Perhaps with Lake-Town we are shown a more wordly and earthy medieval town than the proud, militaristic and stoic Minas Tirith with noble history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 It's not a harpsichord, I think, but a clavichord, which sounds rather different given its full sounding time and not a microsecond at the end of a sample.But now that I think about it, maybe there was a harpsichord in one of those pictures of the recording sessions too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke905 16 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 In addition to the Gandalf's Theme in On the Doorstep that I mentioned earlier, in Durin's Folk we can hear a hint of Thorin's theme.Yup, like it's straining to the Thorin's theme and playing the first 2 notes, but doesn't resolveYes, I believe in The Desolation of Smaug there will be a more subtle use of the themes.However, the fact remains that there is a hint to the theme that could have a significance on a narrative level. At the end of On the Doorstep I believe there is a hint of Gandalf's Theme.I'm not hearing that. As mentioned above, that's the Erebor theme.I hear the Erebor theme at the beginning of the track, but the last three notes played by the horn seem to me the first three notes that open the theme for Gandalf the Grey introduced in An Unexpectd Journey.However, I do not know if it is possible that there is narratively Gandalf in this segment of the film, or if maybe someone talk about him quickly.Surely we will know clearly seeing the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,288 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 The music is fine. THE HARPSICHORD MUST GO! It damages the integrity of the Middle Earth soundscape! Middle-Earth has used the Hardinger fiddle, African Rhaita, bodhran drums, tin whistles, pan flutes, bagpipes, taiko drums, Tibetan bowls, spoons, etc in its colourful musical palette. And they've all worked perfectly in context. I don't doubt that the clavichord will be effective in Laketown as well.I find the final bit of music after he main Laketown theme really lovely, it kind of reminds me of Eowyn's theme.That bit is part of the Laketown theme. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 The music is fine. THE HARPSICHORD MUST GO! It damages the integrity of the Middle Earth soundscape! Middle-Earth has used the Hardinger fiddle, African Rhaita, bodhran drums, tin whistles, pan flutes, bagpipes, taiko drums, Tibetan bowls, spoons, etc in its colourful musical palette. And they've all worked perfectly in context. I don't doubt that the clavichord will be effective in Laketown as well.Those are all instruments that don't necessarily conjure up cultural/historical associations with them at first hearing, though. The harpsichord starts to walk that very fine line between exotic and familiar, I agree. And the bagpipes are something I actually hope aren't utilized much more at all, because they, to me, are too familiar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,288 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 I agree, I'd rather not hear the bagpipes anymore. But I have a feeling the clavichord will be used in a more subtle fashion to help create mood and atmosphere rather than dominate the picture.I don't think Shore will be writing a fanfare for solo clavichord to represent Laketown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Yep, I think the calvichord will work well, since it has a much more unique, plaintive sound than the harpsichord, which will probably just make the general audience think of powdered wigs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Presto 4,254 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 The brass is really annoying, makes me think of an orchestra! SafeUnderHill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,288 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 The boy sopranos must go! It makes me think of Justin Bieber! SafeUnderHill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Presto 4,254 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Nah, it reminds me of the Pope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,644 Posted November 17, 2013 Author Share Posted November 17, 2013 Ditch the orchestra, it reminds me of Pope's involvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,542 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Scrap the score altogether, reminds me of Hollywood schmaltz!Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,288 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 We need Hans Zimmer I tell ya! And his circle of vuvuzela players, which will then be processed with synthesizers to sound just like Inception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,067 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 In all seriousness, I have to reluctantly admit, hearing Howard Shore's (no doubt detailed!) orchestrations handled and polished by Conrad Pope makes me realize Marcus [Paus] was spot on with his assessment on Howard Shore's weaker orchestration chops. There is a clarity to the soundscape of these samples that we haven't heard heard before in the Rings films. And I don't think it's just the recording quality or the change in orchestra, though I'm sure they contribute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 I don't think "weak" is how I'd describe it. Perhaps "not like John Williams" is more apt here.There's no real difference to me from those samples. If anything, things are a little less colorful than usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 486 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 In all seriousness, I have to reluctantly admit, hearing Howard Shore's (no doubt detailed!) orchestrations handled and polished by Conrad Pope makes me realize Marcus [Paus] was spot on with his assessment on Howard Shore's weaker orchestration chops. There is a clarity to the soundscape of these samples that we haven't heard heard before in the Rings films. And I don't think it's just the recording quality or the change in orchestra, though I'm sure they contribute. A valid comparison here is Conrad Pope's influence on The Matrix Reloaded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,067 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 I said reluctantly! I don't think "weak" is how I'd describe it. Perhaps "not like John Williams" is more apt here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now