Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,426 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Seems cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Are these packages all inclusive including transfers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Are these characters uh, auto, uh, erotica?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 It doesn't look interesting from those images. Like the first movie, it has this feel of a late 90s Sega Dreamcast game or something. Still, it's a new James Cameron movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bayesian 1,359 Posted February 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 2, 2020 On 11/1/2019 at 10:50 AM, Disco Stu said: I'm watching this now on Disney+ as I idly wait for the Super Bowl kickoff. I gotta say, this film is truly special. No one makes a movie like James Cameron, and no one but him could have made a plot as derivative as this one engrossing. This thing was filmed almost 13 years ago and it looks like it could have been released to theaters last week. The computer effects haven't aged a day and the film flows in a way that makes it kind of timeless. No gimmicky editing, just straightforward storytelling. I'm excited for the sequels. Go 'Niners! Not Mr. Big, TSMefford, TheUlyssesian and 1 other 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 Just wait for the DVD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,306 Posted February 3, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 3, 2020 Cameron is a special breed of filmmaker. The core story of Avatar might not be too original but the world building is undeniably superb. Best of all, he can take the series in any number of directions now. He has an entire planet (hell, an entire solar system) at his disposal; I wouldn't be surprised if things become intergalactic by the final film, with a sinister alien race even worse than oil-hungry humans. But we really do need more Camerons in the industry. People who have an instinctual grasp of classic storytelling, pacing and visuals/editing. The basics of good filmmaking which are severely lacking in the creatively bankrupt Hollywood system. Even Spielberg has lost his magic touch ever since all the criticism he received for Munich (which is a masterpiece, people just disagreed with the message it posited). Chen G., Bayesian and Not Mr. Big 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,426 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 This pool party seems fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,512 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 AVATAR 2: THE ABYSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothless 963 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 AVATARCTIC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,426 Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 Production has resumed for the Avatar sequels on New Zealand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,512 Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 A man in a cap, some lights, and a bit of green and blue. Colour me underwhelmed. Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 This takes out the fun of being a director, doesn't it? You no longer capture the atmosphere, the mood, the light and interaction the characters have with the set. It's all done afterwards by computer wizards. Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,476 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 Avatar by any measure or metric you want to use was an animated film. Little was "shot". The Avatar series are animated films. They are no different from Pixar films which are also made almost entirely inside a computer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 Were the humans CGI too? I couldn't tell when watching it. Serious question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,476 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 There is some human footage. They were all shot in blue rooms and then inserted into the animated picture. But humans can be CGI too absolutely. A lot of stunts you see these days are done by CGI doubles - not even stuntmen. I mean if they can fucking create performances of dead people by CGI in Star Wars - nothing is off the table right. So it is a pertinent question, with such advances in CGI and so much CGI, you never quite even know if something was shot with actual humans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 7 hours ago, TheUlyssesian said: Avatar by any measure or metric you want to use was an animated film. Little was "shot". The Avatar series are animated films. They are no different from Pixar films which are also made almost entirely inside a computer. By that logic you could call any CGI heavy film “animated.” Gravity had no real sets either. A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,476 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 8 minutes ago, Koray Savas said: By that logic you could call any CGI heavy film “animated.” Gravity had no real sets either. The Academy has the following definition - "In an animated film, animation must figure in no less than 75 percent of the picture’s running time." So yes, per the Academy's own definition - Gravity would qualify too. Of course the studios would never submit them for the animated category as it is considered a kiddie ghetto - but if they were to submit, they would qualify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 Sigourney Weaver's cigarette was CGI. Seems real unnecessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,476 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 They have started CGI's actors tears in crying scenes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 2 hours ago, TheUlyssesian said: They have started CGI's actors tears in crying scenes. Not perfected in POA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 14 hours ago, TheUlyssesian said: The Avatar series are animated films. They are no different from Pixar films which are also made almost entirely inside a computer. You've only seen one of the Avatar movies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, Not Mr. Big said: You've only seen one of the Avatar movies! I saw the second one. M. Night's film, yeah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, PuhgreÞiviÞm said: I saw the second one. M. Night's film, yeah? That's from the far inferior "Avatar" series Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 I've never seen Shyamalan's version but I believe Koray once said it's quite underrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,476 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 7 hours ago, Not Mr. Big said: You've only seen one of the Avatar movies! don’t need to see them to call them animated. Others will have more animation than the original not less. It’s a function of time, everything has more cgi than 10 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 7 hours ago, Alexcremers said: I've never seen Shyamalan's version but I believe Koray once said it's quite underrated. Err, no. It’s terrible. The score is great, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,426 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Shyamalan's The Last Airbender is horrible indeed. The only good thing about it is JNH's music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,476 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Indeed. It won Worst Screenplay, Worst Director and the Razzie for Worst Film of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 56 minutes ago, Koray Savas said: Err, no. It’s terrible. The score is great, though. Maybe it was Shyamalan himself who said it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,512 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 23 hours ago, TheUlyssesian said: Avatar by any measure or metric you want to use was an animated film. Little was "shot". The Avatar series are animated films. They are no different from Pixar films which are also made almost entirely inside a computer. Absofrigginglutely! I do not understand how AVATAR was Oscar-nominated for Best Cinematography. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,476 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 9 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Absofrigginglutely! I do not understand how AVATAR was Oscar-nominated for Best Cinematography. I don't so much mind Avatar being included as animated films being excluded. But case in point - from 2009 to 2013 - the same 5 films won both cinematography and VFX oscar. Co-incidence? Or the same achievement being rewarded twice? They slightly correct course after that but again from 2017-2019, 2 films won both cinematography and vfx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,948 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Naïve Old Fart said: I do not understand how AVATAR was Oscar-nominated for Best Cinematography. Didn't it win? The same goes for Life of Pi. The cinematographical merits of such films fall under Special Effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 On 6/17/2020 at 5:17 PM, Alexcremers said: This takes out the fun of being a director, doesn't it? You no longer capture the atmosphere, the mood, the light and interaction the characters have with the set. It's all done afterwards by computer wizards. Apparently it was a bit the other way around again on The Mandalorian. From what I understand anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,476 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 I don't remember which but recently, they shot a dialog scene with actors when the actors were not even present. It was some big blockbusters. So there were 4-5 actors in the scene and their schedules didn't align. So they were each filmed alone and then everything was cut together in editing and using CGI. Movies are now made to a degree in a computer that was previously unimaginable. Even cinematography and lighting on set doesn't' matter as much per se. Just do basic lighting, you can do endless tinkering and grading in post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,516 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 1 minute ago, TheUlyssesian said: Even cinematography and lighting on set doesn't' matter as much per se. Just do basic lighting, you can do endless tinkering and grading in post. Well that part is tricky, digital lighting is often pretty bad. And you still have to have a very concrete idea what your shots will be framed like and how it'll all work or you'll end up with the prequels' godawful digital zooms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,476 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 30 minutes ago, Holko said: Well that part is tricky, digital lighting is often pretty bad. And you still have to have a very concrete idea what your shots will be framed like and how it'll all work or you'll end up with the prequels' godawful digital zooms. It's getting better. I have been surprised recently by seeing some VFX demo reels. Things that I thought were lit on set were lit after the fact via VFX. Technology is getting better all the time. It's already became hard to tell the difference. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 On 6/18/2020 at 12:32 PM, Chen G. said: Didn't it win? The same goes for Life of Pi. The cinematographical merits of such films fall under Special Effects. You still need a cinematographer to direct the look of the film. Even if it’s digital light, it’s still light that needs to be manipulated. Deakins consulted on How To Train Your Dragon and it shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 And Caleb Deschanel on The Lion King. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 Is that why John Knoll is always holding up that disco ball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,476 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Koray Savas said: You still need a cinematographer to direct the look of the film. Even if it’s digital light, it’s still light that needs to be manipulated. Deakins consulted on How To Train Your Dragon and it shows. I think everyone agrees with that. Question is - why the boundary between Avatar and How To Train Your Dragon. Why not nominate Dragon or Wall-E for cinematography? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post A24 4,331 Posted June 20, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 20, 2020 12 hours ago, Pieter Boelen said: Apparently it was a bit the other way around again on The Mandalorian. From what I understand anyway... It appears so ... Brundlefly, TSMefford and Pieter Boelen 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 Hm. That's like how they do the Bourne stunt show at Universal Studios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 2 hours ago, TheUlyssesian said: I think everyone agrees with that. Question is - why the boundary between Avatar and How To Train Your Dragon. Why not nominate Dragon or Wall-E for cinematography? I’d be fine with that. The animation category is ultimately useless. It just boxes in an entire genre, and is a joke when something like Toy Story 3 gets nominated for Best Picture. No one will vote for it because it can win Best Animated Feature instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 16 hours ago, TheUlyssesian said: Even cinematography and lighting on set doesn't' matter as much per se. Just do basic lighting, you can do endless tinkering and grading in post. You can. But do you want to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,948 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 9 hours ago, Koray Savas said: You still need a cinematographer to direct the look of the film. Even if it’s digital light, it’s still light that needs to be manipulated. Oh sure. There's usually a CGI cinematographer working on the effects. But I still think that, in terms of accolades especially, it falls under "Special Effects" rather than cinematography, per se. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,426 Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 The Avatar sequels have been delayed (again) in one year. Quote AVATAR 2 (20th) previously dated on 12/17/21 moves to 12/16/22 AVATAR 3 (20th) previously dated on 12/22/23 moves to 12/20/24 AVATAR 4 (20th) previously dated on 12/19/25 moves to 12/18/26 AVATAR 5 (20th) previously dated on 12/17/27 moves to 12/22/28 https://www.indiewire.com/2020/07/disney-release-calendar-changes-mulan-french-dispatch-star-wars-avatar-1234575953/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,337 Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 So Disney's big end of year schedule went from: Dec 2019 = Star Wars 9 Dec 2020 = West Side Story Dec 2021 = Avatar 2 Dec 2022 = Star Wars Dec 2023 = Avatar 3 Dec 2024 = Star Wars Dec 2025 = Avatar 4 Dec 2026 = Star Wars Dec 2027 = Avatar 5 to Dec 2019 = Star Wars 9 Dec 2020 = West Side Story Dec 2021 = Spider-man 3 Dec 2022 = Avatar 2 Dec 2023 = Star Wars Dec 2024 = Avatar 3 Dec 2025 = Star Wars Dec 2026 = Avatar 4 Dec 2027 = Star Wars Dec 2028 = Avatar 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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