Avatar 2, 3 and 4 or how James Cameron stopped worrying and pulled The Hobbit on us

[Nick1Ø66 4,689]

 

12 minutes ago, TolkienSS said:

There's something inherently touching about a camera capturing a moment of scenic beauty in the real world. It affects the human part in your heart.

I don't care how many millions they throw at it to create something I know is artificial.

A painting is “artificial”. We know it’s artificial. but nonetheless many paintings, of scenic beauty and otherwise, have stirred the human heart.

 

A camera is one way, but not the only way to capture the beauty of our world.

[Naïve Old Fart 9,507]

A good point, @Nick1Ø66.

One could argue that all art is artificial, but, imo, "art" (if that is what it is) created within a computer, seems to be cheating, not to mention lazy.

There's a lot to be said for good, old-fashioned practical effects, miniatures, and matte paintings.

[HunterTech 987]

4 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said:

One could argue that all art is artificial, but, imo, "art" (if that is what it is) created within a computer, seems to be cheating, not to mention lazy.

 

I know the context in this instance is mainly about visual effects, but given some of the shit digital artists/painters get in the current internet landscape (especially now that AI art is on the rise), I would refrain from making such an overly general statement.

[Nick1Ø66 4,689]

19 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said:

One could argue that all art is artificial, but, imo, "art" (if that is what it is) created within a computer, seems to be cheating, not to mention lazy.

 
Ironically, this is what many artists said with the advent of photography.

[leeallen01 2,134]

No news on Franglen's score? Not heard a peep. Only a scoring session photo a while back.

[Mr. Who 919]

He is going to be joining Djawadi, McCreary and a few other composers discussing fantasy scoring for the Ascap event.

[Edmilson 7,398]

James Cameron Estimates He’ll Retire After 5 or 6 More Movies, Half Being ‘Avatar’ Sequels

"I would have to train somebody how to do this because, I don’t care how smart you are as a director, you don’t know how to do this," Cameron said of passing the "Avatar" torch.

[TolkienSS 405]

I have never actually read or paid attention to James Cameron quotes, but Jesus does he sound full of himself.

I'm pretty sure other directors can rip off eternal storytelling tropes to turn into overlong Exposés of the art department.

[JNHFan2000 2,944]

Yeah. What is that qoute.

He just plain says that he feels he's better than everybody else. Not a fan.

 

And if he takes 13 years to make one movies he'll have to live another 60 years to make 5. I don't think that'll work

[Thor 7,478]

He's obviously talking about the technical aspects. I personally wouldn't mind a Cameron protege down the line.

[TolkienSS 405]

He's talking about "passing the Avatar torch".

It's hilarious actually.

The guy takes one and a half decades to make a movie that's bland and a sequel that isn't even out yet, and the media talk about it like it's some sort of Bond-like franchise that needs "passing of the torch".

[Naïve Old Fart 9,507]

Perhaps he could "pass the torch" to Kathryn Bigelow?

[Goldfinger 59]

Cameron has been full of himself for decades, so these comments shouldn't really come as a surprise.  

[TolkienSS 405]

1 hour ago, Goldfinger said:

Cameron has been full of himself for decades, so these comments shouldn't really come as a surprise.  

 

But after over a decade, his attitude should be more like "wow thank god this sh*t got made" instead of "I should really teach more people how to drag out production for years".

[Naïve Old Fart 9,507]

As far as the effects are concerned, I thought that Weta was responsible, not Cameron. Yes, I know that Weta is working under his supervision, but Cameron is not the one "doing it". Weta is doing it.

[GerateWohl 4,343]

You know how it works in history where historians say, this and that king build this or that castle.

Same here. Just the king himself is talking.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

wow james cameron is a megalomaniac i had no idea how are we just learning this

[Naïve Old Fart 9,507]

He's been a megalomaniac for the last 36 years 

There's a clip of the making of ALIENS documentary, where he berates the (British) crew for not getting some facehugger effect right. 

[NL197 368]

3 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said:

He's been a megalomaniac for the last 36 years 

There's a clip of the making of ALIENS documentary, where he berates the (British) crew for not getting some facehugger effect right. 

Talk about a stretch. 

You call that berating? They weren't getting it done, he showed them how and how basic it was. No need for the hyperbole on a clip from 1985. 

[greenturnedblue 372]

He would also use a nail gun to nail peoples cell phones to the wall if they went off on the set of Avatar

[Naïve Old Fart 9,507]

4 hours ago, NL197 said:

Talk about a stretch. 
You call that berating? They weren't getting it done, he showed them how and how basic it was. No need for the hyperbole on a clip from 1985. 

There are far more respectful ways of doing things. Workers are not there to be abused, especially by someone who should be setting an example.

 

4 hours ago, greenturnedblue said:

He would also use a nail gun to nail peoples cell phones to the wall if they went off on the set of Avatar

Call that a stretch? That is nothing less than the wilful destruction of another person's property. 

[MaxMovieMan 269]

He does what he has to do to make epic movies.

[JNHFan2000 2,944]

I was just looking at some of the ticket sales in the biggest cinema's in my country. They went on sale this wednesday.

 

For the first 4 days of release, there have hardly been any tickets sold. A lot of the seats are available.

With most big movies in the first 2 to 3 days half of the seats are reserved.

[Naïve Old Fart 9,507]

There you have it, folks. It's a complete bomb.

[King Mark 3,626]

I will boycott this movie because actors wearing a blue face is offensive and hurtful to the smurf community. It's also racist because they all have blue skin. Isn't there different skin colors of Na'vi on that planet that should have been included and represented? Furthermore I find it regrettable they didn't they take this opportunity to make the male Na'vi pregnant instead of the female.

 

K.M. Ahead of the woke mob.

[Luke Skywalker 1,793]

Incidentally, as can be seen on the trailers, the water navi are lighter skinned than the land ones.

[Nick1Ø66 4,689]

Sadly, I've gotten to the point where I wouldn't mind seeing some franchises fail, because I think they're doing more harm than good in their current form. But I want this film to succeed. I don't have anything invested in Avatar, and am not a particularly big fan, but Cameron has clearly poured his heart and soul into this, not to mention a good chunk of his life, and I respect his passion. At least it's not an assembly line movie, ala Marvel, and for that reason, and its ambition alone, I wish Avatar well.

[TolkienSS 405]

On 02/12/2022 at 9:54 AM, MaxMovieMan said:

He does what he has to do to make epic movies.

 

He's one of those "icons" that deserve epic headlines.

[Thor 7,478]

Seeing this on the 13th, in IMAX. Can't wait!

[Jurassic Shark 12,033]

Haven't seen the first one yet.

[Mr. Who 919]

The weeknd seems to have written the end credits song. I heard a snippet on Twitter and saw this report.

 

 

[Stark 312]

James Cameron is extraordinarily arrogant but he has the portfolio to justify it.

[JNHFan2000 2,944]

First reactions are in and.... they are mixed.

People praise the visuals & final act, but they say the story is (paper)thin and the characters could do with more developing.

 

https://whatsondisneyplus.com/avatar-the-way-of-water-first-social-media-reactions/

[LSH 968]

1 hour ago, JNHFan2000 said:

People praise the visuals & final act, but they say the story is (paper)thin and the characters could do with more developing.

 

Is anybody seriously expecting any more than that? 

 

I'm not. And I'm still quite looking forward to seeing in the cinema.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

The Atlantic critic David Sims (and cohost of my favorite podcast)

 

 

[TolkienSS 405]

"It's an Avatar movie"

 

Another one of those eyeroll inducing attempts to make it sound like a whole Avatar universe and legacy exists because of one singular movie, and had always been planned to exist.

 

This is reason number umpteen why Hollywood is just intolerable these days, the shilling and bootlicking of so-called journalists that requires certain areas of the brain to be permanently shut down, and just function as an echo chamber for the loudest celeb dumbass in the room, in this case James Cameron.

[Not Mr. Big 4,639]

44 minutes ago, TolkienSS said:

"It's an Avatar movie"

 

Another one of those eyeroll inducing attempts to make it sound like a whole Avatar universe and legacy exists because of one singular movie, and had always been planned to exist.

 

This is reason number umpteen why Hollywood is just intolerable these days, the shilling and bootlicking of so-called journalists that requires certain areas of the brain to be permanently shut down, and just function as an echo chamber for the loudest celeb dumbass in the room, in this case James Cameron.

[Edmilson 7,398]

2 hours ago, JNHFan2000 said:

People praise the visuals & final act, but they say the story is (paper)thin and the characters could do with more developing.

 

If critics reacting on Twitter were a thing in 2009, this would've been what'd they tweeted after the first movie 

[Naïve Old Fart 9,507]

6 hours ago, TolkienSS said:

"It's an Avatar movie"

 

Another one of those eyeroll inducing attempts to make it sound like a whole Avatar universe and legacy exists because of one singular movie, and had always been planned to exist.

 

This is reason number umpteen why Hollywood is just intolerable these days, the shilling and bootlicking of so-called journalists that requires certain areas of the brain to be permanently shut down, and just function as an echo chamber for the loudest celeb dumbass in the room, in this case James Cameron.

He's not wrong.

[publicist 4,643]

On 01/12/2022 at 6:38 PM, GerateWohl said:

You know how it works in history where historians say, this and that king build this or that castle.

Same here. Just the king himself is talking.

 

Yes, and here he is (after the grosses are in):

 

 

When I first came here, this was all swamp. Everyone said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built in all the same, just to show them. It sank into the swamp. So I built a second one. That sank into the swamp. So I built a third. That burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp....

[Thor 7,478]

8 hours ago, Disco Stu said:

 

 

Love that quote from Mr. Sims, whoever he is. Sounds like a film right up my alley! Can't wait until Tuesday morning! 

[Naïve Old Fart 9,507]

"owns bones". I've never heard of that one. It's going to go into heavy rotation.

Out of interest, does anyone know which cinema the premier was held in? All that the media says is "Leicester Square".

[mstrox 6,647]

If someone in my theater is slapping their seat, hooting, and screaming, they might skip themselves ahead a few spots in the Loud Person in a Movie Theater Order of Operations.  No way I’d start with the side-eye.  They’d at least get a “shut the fuck up,” might even progress immediately to getting an usher to shoosh em.

[Naïve Old Fart 9,507]

Do a Mickey Rourke, and offer them some of your popcorn.

[NL197 368]

 

The Weeknd

[Jurassic Shark 12,033]

Looks very predictable. 

[Disco Stu 15,495]

12 minutes ago, NL197 said:

 

The Weeknd

 

Avatr: The Way of Wter

[leeallen01 2,134]

Okay, this question may be dumb, but I understand that Avatar 2 is in HFR (Higher Frame Rate), as well as the 3D option of course.

 

I want to see it with all the extras, e.g. The 3D, Dolby Atmos HFR etc. My local cinema lists it in Dolby Atmos 3D. But doesn't say HFR...

 

Does anyone know if the film is in HFR for every version regardless? Or HFR is a special add on you have to find and choose?

[greenturnedblue 372]

At my theater the HFR is separate than the "regular" showings

[crumbs 14,305]

In Australia the sessions are listed either 3D or standard, no mention of HFR at all. 

 

My understanding is only certain sequences are in HFR, but the bulk of the film is 24 FPS (probably everything that isn't a major action sequence with fast movement).

 

I'd guess all versions of the film have this alternating frame rate, regardless of being in 3D or not.