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Apparently Kate Winslet is the pregnant blue one.

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19 hours ago, KK said:

All the close-up stuff looks great, some of the wide stuff, not great.

 

After seeing the 4K OM IMAX trailer just now, yes, this is super accurate.

In full quality, the close-ups actually look pretty phenomenal, a jump from the first film for sure... but yeah some of the wide shots look pretty rough and off...they could still be in progress of course, but yeah.

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26 minutes ago, TSMefford said:

...they could still be in progress of course, but yeah.

 

Crikey, with just 7 months till release after 12 years of production... you'd hope they have something complete by now. :P 

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Just now, LSH said:

 

Crikey, with just 7 months till release after 12 years of production... you'd hope they have something complete by now. :P 

 

Lol. If only. They'll be working on it until the last minute I'm sure.

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4 hours ago, TSMefford said:

 

Lol. If only. They'll be working on it until the last minute I'm sure.

 

I truly believe that the shots in that trailer are completed renders. When teasers such as this come out - essentially a non-narrative compilation of images - it's a big show off. The production team, and more importantly WETA, knew that promotional material would need to rear up around this time. If this isn't finished material, nothing will be.

 

I have to say, though, that close-up shot of Neytiri at the beginning, with the light and shadow rippling across her face, is super gorgeous.

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20 hours ago, LSH said:

 

I truly believe that the shots in that trailer are completed renders. When teasers such as this come out - essentially a non-narrative compilation of images - it's a big show off. The production team, and more importantly WETA, knew that promotional material would need to rear up around this time. If this isn't finished material, nothing will be.

 

I have to say, though, that close-up shot of Neytiri at the beginning, with the light and shadow rippling across her face, is super gorgeous.

 

Well, yes, they are "completed" renders. Completed in the sense that they put a ton of work into it and, technically speaking, has all the bells and whistles as far as rendering goes and went through the whole process that a final shot would go through. They wouldn't include anything without all that effort and making it look as good as they can.

 

But sometimes VFX shots still have earlier versions that are "completed" prior to the final iteration of a shot will be, just for the trailer and they will still continue to tweak things as they go. The movie doesn't come out until December - I wouldn't be surprised if they continue to finesse some of these shots along the way to November at least.

 

Honestly - most of the time a trailer editor receives an entire copy of the film with primitive VFX in order to edit separately while the film is being worked on. They may have figured out the edit of the trailer prior to those shots being remotely presentable and specifically accelerated the timeline for those shots to get something nearly done for the trailer release. 

 

This sort of early iteration and tweaking after the trailer happens all the time. Even if they're considered finished right now, they will likely still come back to them and tweak some things.

 

I remember back whenThe Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian was coming out. The big hero shot at the end of all the promo material of Aslan roaring (one of those "show-off" shots.) had several iterations during the marketing campaign. By the end, he was a fair bit bigger than when he started. Not to mention the color grading changes - Take a look:

 

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I know Narnia isn't exactly Avatar - a film over 10 years in the making, but it happens. I won't be surprised at all if anything changes by the time of the final film. I honestly assume most of the time that material in trailers is not totally finalized material anyways.

 

We shall see! There's still time for additional detail and tweaking.

 

20 hours ago, LSH said:

I have to say, though, that close-up shot of Neytiri at the beginning, with the light and shadow rippling across her face, is super gorgeous.

 

Oh yes absolutely, thats a beautiful shot.

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On 09/05/2022 at 5:43 AM, KK said:

But wow, what a bore visually, in terms of production design. 

 

I don't see it either. We have seen this already 15 years ago and I wasn't impressed with the overall design back then either. What bothers me the most is how animated or Pixar-like the facial expressions are, especially the close-ups where the blue indians gaze at something in wonderment. You only see this expression in kids movies. It's a 'skipper' for me. After all, a fox is not caught twice in the same trap.

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Many video games have outdone this kind of thing design-wise since the first film anyway.

 

It all seems so unimaginative.

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The cat people are extremely boring design wise. the flying creatures were often good, the others not so much. And someone must have given up on the vegetation, which wasn't even green in the treatment (given the star, we should we able to know which pigments it could need the most, but I don't know this answer).

 

There was I think TetZoo blog post about the creatures a while back.

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  • 1 month later...

I saw a big standee for this film in the cinema last night

 

Almost hard to believe this thing is actually coming out

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1 hour ago, bruce marshall said:

I SHOULD be excited about this but....

I'm not.

Low expectations are TIGHT!😁

What is there to be excited about? Even the title "The Way of Water" sounds about as exciting as "Time for Digestion".

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49 minutes ago, GerateWohl said:

What is there to be excited about? Even the tile "The Way of Water" sounds about as exciting as "Time for Digestion".

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3 hours ago, Edmilson said:

I confess I'd be more interested if James Horner was still alive to score the movie.

 

That's certainly true, though I'm actually really looking forward to Simon Franglen's score. I quite enjoyed The Curse of Turandot! 

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4 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said:

How about everyone who watched AVATAR (sometimes multiple times), and helped to make it the most successful film ever released?

They already forgot about Avatar on the minute they left the movie theater.

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I think Avatar 2 will succeed for the same kinds of reasons Top Gun Maverick is succeeding in theaters now—it’s a refreshingly different adventure experience from the MCU and its ilk, and it’s something people will say needs to be experienced in theaters. Word-of-mouth is going to drive asses into IMAX seats this December and beyond, just like it did for the first one.

 

Will it top the all-time box office? Who knows? TGM wasn’t supposed to do its level of business, yet look at its legs. Plus, Cameron has experience making sequels widely considered to be superior in every way to their predecessors (i.e., T2:JD).
 

Avatar 2 is going to earn boatloads of money and to that I say, good. Let it join TGM in proving the studios can make money from IP that isn’t built around superheroes or comic books. 

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Kate Winslet held her breath for 7 minutes for a CG mocap character???  I would only do that if my suffocating face was ON CAMERA.

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I can't hold my breath for 1 minute let alone multiple minutes

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Last week on vacation my brother and I did a breath holding contest in the pool (yes, we're way too old for such nonsense).  I held my breath for 3 minutes, 3 seconds, beating him handily.  I've always been able to hold my breath like that.

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