JoeinAR 1,759 Posted February 3, 2003 Share Posted February 3, 2003 Thanks to all those that participated. This has been fun, and quite interesting. I am sure some will not be surprised, while others will be. Noone to my knowledge got all 10 scores on their list. I haven't had time to look.so without further ado, here is our listas voted by the members of JWFAN MB. 1. THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, 1980, 917PTS, 109 VOTES OUT OF 129 2. E.T. THE EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL, 1982, 754PTS, 108 VOTES 3. RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK, 1981, 520PTS, 85 VOTES 4. STAR WARS, 472PTS, 1977, 75 VOTES 5. SUPERMAN THE MOVIE, 458PTS, 1978 81 VOTES 6. SCHINDLERS LIST, 1993, 423PTS, 75 VOTES 7. JURASSIC PARK, 1993, 348PTS, 68 VOTES 8. HOOK, 1991, 339PTS, 66 VOTES 9. JAWS, 1975, 283PTS, 61 VOTES10. RETURN OF THE JEDI, 1983, 281PTS, 46 VOTESAnd for those who carethe next 5 are11. Close Encounters of the Third Kind, 1977, 260pts, 50 votes12. Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, 1989, 211pts, 44 votes13. Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone, 2001, 190pts, 43 votes14. A.I. Artificial Intelligence, 2001, 181pts, 43 votes15. Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, 146pts, 35 votes.Interestingly enough I do know several lists contained 9 of the Top 10.Special kudo's to Sissorhands for his list which only contained one of the top 10. He has the most unique list of those who participated, which goes to show that we have a wide variety of tastes here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 2,924 Posted February 3, 2003 Share Posted February 3, 2003 I believe this is as accurate a list that can be made .K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scissorhands 16 Posted February 3, 2003 Share Posted February 3, 2003 Special kudo's to Sissorhands for his list which only contained one of the top 10. Â He has the most unique list of those who participated, which goes to show that we have a wide variety of tastes here.Every list is unique. but, well :roll: I am proud of this honor.s-hands, amazed for this:14. A.I. Artificial Intelligence, 2001, 181pts, 43 votes and sad for the non-inclusion of The Phantom Menace (I really thought it would be in the Top 10) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted February 3, 2003 Share Posted February 3, 2003 Wow. It's really great to have this, thanks a lot Joe. You did a stellar job! Ray Barnsbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted February 3, 2003 Share Posted February 3, 2003 I like that Star Wars got 75 votes, yet was still able to beat a score that had more votes. It shows what a wonderful score it really is. Too bad it had to beat Superman - The Movie. Neil - who thinks this is about as fair a list as we are going to have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf 3 Posted February 3, 2003 Share Posted February 3, 2003 I'm just happy that Hook made the list.I'm also in agreement that this is probably the most accurate list that has been compiled. Thanks for the idea and hard work Joe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 2,924 Posted February 3, 2003 Share Posted February 3, 2003 It would be nice to have the voting thread as reference...K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 2,924 Posted February 3, 2003 Share Posted February 3, 2003 never mind... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diskobolus 3 Posted February 3, 2003 Share Posted February 3, 2003 thanks joe for having this list up as quickly as you did, it was a massive undertaking. i also am extremely surprised that a.i. made the top 15, it didn't seem like many people had it on their lists (it was #1 on mine)... i was sad that hpss didn't make the top ten...i didnt have superman, jurassic park, raiders, or jaws in my top 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lacxox 0 Posted February 3, 2003 Share Posted February 3, 2003 The list is rather cool...Is it possible to post all the runners up? Just curiosity... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin 2 Posted February 3, 2003 Share Posted February 3, 2003 Wow neat list Joe. Glad to see Raiders made the top 3. Justin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin 2 Posted February 3, 2003 Share Posted February 3, 2003 What are the scores with the least amount of votes?Justin -Wondering about the bottom 15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,759 Posted February 3, 2003 Author Share Posted February 3, 2003 Every list is unique. but, well :roll: I am proud of this honor.s-hands, amazed for this:14. A.I. Artificial Intelligence, 2001, 181pts, 43 votes and sad for the non-inclusion of The Phantom Menace (I really thought it would be in the Top 10)It wasn't even close to the top 10. PM didn't do particularly well at all, but neither did AOTC.I personally am pleased that Close Encounters of the Third Kind finished 11. In the imortal words of Sally Fields, "You like me, You really like me.As for the entire list, I will post that, but it will take a few more days. The bottom of the list, should not be looked at as the worst, or least, they are just the ones that got the fewest votes.I think everyone can see that 7 out of the top 10 came from that period between 1975 and 1984, which is regarded by many here as the greatest period of John's career. Of all the films from 1975 to '84, the only JW scores that did not receive votes were Midway, and Missouri Breaks. I don't count Yes Georgio, but it didn't receive a vote either. Other noteable non vote gatherers were Presumed Innocent, and Poseidon Adventure. Curiously scores like Sugarland Express, which has no official release gathered several votes.Notice 10 of those 15 are Spielberg films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,284 Posted February 3, 2003 Share Posted February 3, 2003 And 6 are Lucas involved Good job Joe, that was quick . And very interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,759 Posted February 3, 2003 Author Share Posted February 3, 2003 And 6 are Lucas involved   Good job Joe, that was quick . And very interestingactually 12 if you count ILM's involvement.we'll just consider Lucas' involvement as our dirty little secret. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewdog1 50 Posted February 3, 2003 Share Posted February 3, 2003 Very glad to have ESB #1. I had no doubt, but this just reconfirms everything that I have come to believe. That ESB is the most perfect of all movie scores. Brilliant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 3, 2003 Share Posted February 3, 2003 Well, I´m satisfied, I mean Hook, E.T., Superman...they are all sooo damn good, no J.W. top ten should go without them And all three classic Star Wars scores made it, I mean, seriously, it´s common sense I just will never understand why Return of the Jedi is considered the "lesser" classic Star Wars Score, it´s so powerful and it brings everything together, also musically, damn, even the ewok theme (I´m NOT an ewok hater, I always felt they suited their purpose) is really good!Oh, and I wish more people would realise what a damn fine score Temple of Doom is, maybe when the 2 CD Set comes out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scissorhands 16 Posted February 3, 2003 Share Posted February 3, 2003 Oh, and I wish more people would realise what a damn fine score Temple of Doom is, maybe when the 2 CD Set comes out... Â Yeah, it's damn good. And I'm sure it will have more fans when the 2 CD set is released. TOD, at least, will have this rediscovery, a chance that other masterpieces such as EOTS, SPR, Always or Presumed Innocent won't be able to get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ren 75 Posted February 3, 2003 Share Posted February 3, 2003 Wow joe,I'm am just so honoured to be a part of this list! I really think all of those statistics are incredible and JW would definitely think it decent if he got a chance to see it.I hope he'll be able to see it one day.Thank you again Joe and Ricard,This is AMAZING! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CYPHER 1 Posted February 3, 2003 Share Posted February 3, 2003 Thanks for all your work Joe! It's great to see the results, especially so quickly CYPHER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mari 279 Posted February 4, 2003 Share Posted February 4, 2003 Thanks Joe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue_Leader 2 Posted February 4, 2003 Share Posted February 4, 2003 AWWWWW GOD!!!!!E.T. was number 2????Awwwwwhhhh!!!! I mean its good but the 2nd greatest JW score of all time?? I THINK NOT! Oh well at least ESB was number 1!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted February 4, 2003 Share Posted February 4, 2003 Rogue, can't you focus on something positive, like there's not a single prequel score in the top 15!Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ren 75 Posted February 4, 2003 Share Posted February 4, 2003 it's not THAT positive Neil.,I mean come on. . .I bet JW is thinking, wow, are my new pieces not quite up to snuff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ymenard 35 Posted February 4, 2003 Share Posted February 4, 2003 ROTJ over CEOT3K? 8O 8O 8O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,759 Posted February 4, 2003 Author Share Posted February 4, 2003 AWWWWW GOD!!!!!E.T. was number 2????Awwwwwhhhh!!!! Â Â I mean its good but the 2nd greatest JW score of all time?? Â I THINK NOT! Â Oh well at least ESB was number 1!!!! Â William you are in the minority here, and remember this it only received one fewer vote than ESB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted February 4, 2003 Share Posted February 4, 2003 AWWWWW GOD!!!!!E.T. was number 2????Awwwwwhhhh!!!! Â Yeah, I had the same reaction. It should be #1!!!Ray Barnsbury-who otherwise is pleased with the list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 9 Posted February 4, 2003 Share Posted February 4, 2003 TESB getting No. 1 validated the list for me. Everything else changes positions- but that one will always be the best score ever, Despite what that idiot Dan Hobgood thinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 9 Posted February 4, 2003 Share Posted February 4, 2003 Do you have the placing of other scores? I'd like to know how Amistad, Far and away and The Phantom Menace fared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ST-321 4 Posted February 4, 2003 Share Posted February 4, 2003 Wow, Joe!! Thanks for putting forth a super effort to do this. It is very cool to see how it all played out. I look forward to seeing the whole list! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 388 Posted February 4, 2003 Share Posted February 4, 2003 Do you have the placing of other scores? I'd like to know how Amistad, Far and away and The Phantom Menace fared.They're forthcoming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 7 Posted February 4, 2003 Share Posted February 4, 2003 I think this is quite a solid list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 1,931 Posted February 4, 2003 Share Posted February 4, 2003 It turned out more or less like I was hoping, although it's too bad ROTJ didn't grab more votes.But those are probably the 10 more popular JW scores, even for non JW fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 1,821 Posted February 4, 2003 Share Posted February 4, 2003 Oh, and I wish more people would realise what a damn fine score Temple of Doom is, maybe when the 2 CD Set comes out... Â Yeah, it's damn good. And I'm sure it will have more fans when the 2 CD set is released. THERE IS NO DOUBT ABOUT IT JoeinAR 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 388 Posted February 4, 2003 Share Posted February 4, 2003 Oh, and I wish more people would realise what a damn fine score Temple of Doom is, maybe when the 2 CD Set comes out... Â Yeah, it's damn good. And I'm sure it will have more fans when the 2 CD set is released. THERE IS NO DOUBT ABOUT IT Excuse me, sir, but I'd like to direct your attention to Rule No. 5 of the JWFAN.NET forum. I can assure you that this board is very stringently moderated, and should you continue to post in all caps, you will not be allowed to post in the future, per Rule No. 15.Thanks for posting, though, and please visit us again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 2,924 Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 I just will never understand why Return of the Jedi is considered the "lesser" classic Star Wars Score, it´s so powerful and it brings 1)"Land of the Ewoks"...that long boring track in the middle.2)Sail Barge Assault and Inside the Superstruture(these two bothered m back in 83 as much as some were bothered by the Naboo Battle in TPM)3)Victory CelebrationK.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 1,821 Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 1)"Land of the Ewoks"...that long boring track in the middle."Land of the Ewoks"... that great track in the middle, nothing to do with those looooooooooong and insipidly boooooooooooooooriiiiiiiiiiiing cues from TPM. 2)Sail Barge Assault and Inside the Superstruture(these two bothered m back in 83 as much as some were bothered by the Naboo Battle in TPM)Sail Barge Assault and Inside the Superstruture (the latter is a perfectly valid rerecording, since it's a direct reference to the Last Battle from SW; the former has a great use of Luke's theme and the Rebel Fanfare, along with the best ending of any SW track (and one of the best film music themes ever written) - needless to say, didn't bothered me at all back in 83. They are both very well done recordings which have absolutely NOTHING to do with the completely ridiculous, extremely annoying and highly inconvenient "work" of the music editors in the Naboo Battle in TPM.3)Victory CelebrationIf you're referring to Ewok Celebration, I think it's a wonderful cue, the perfect ending for the Trilogy. If you're referring to the Special Edition ending music, I agree (totally inappropiate, doesn't fit at all in that scene and in the movie). But since I DON'T consider that cue as part of the ROTJ score (that score was completed in 1983), but as an isolated 'New Age' Williams composition that he recorded in '96, it doesn't affect my appreciation of the score (it's not even part of my private ROTJ 2CD set) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,284 Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 Well TPM is not that bad... I love Victory celebration, IMO the best ending of SW, i also like the Ewok celebration film version, the other version..well...If it had not been changed it would have not bothered me, ROJ is my fav movie ...Jedi rocks is another matter... :cry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocelot 445 Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 I still think Phantom Menace is an incredible score.I mean it had so many things in there.Duel of the FatesAnakin's ThemeThe Droid BattleThe Flag ParadePanaka and the Queens ProtectorsThe Tide Turns/The death of Darth MaulQui-Gon's FuneralThe Swim to Otoh GungaThe Corruscant Fanfare heard in The Arrival at Naboo on the 1st cd (for some odd reason)Anakin is Free (where you hear a gorgeous rendition of his mother's theme)JarJar's ThemeAnakin Defeats SebulbaThere are so many others....It is a great score in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251 Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 For me TPM is a score were several brilliant musical moments are surrounded by musical....nothingness, Even if we ignore the horrible edits (if that is even possible) i can still find fault with this score.I thi nk when i listen to the complete score (the Elvisjones version) about 60 to 65 % of it is totally uninteresting, (if you think about it, is IS a perfect score for the film ) about 15 % is just OK, with several really great cues of great parts of cues scattered throughout the score.For me, the best cue is Escape From Naboo, which is IMO, Wolliams best action composition since The Lost World, pity it's so short.Stefancos- Who thinks AOTC is a better score, but still lightyears removed from SW, TESB and ROTJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 The Phantom Menace has some wonderfully written actoin music for the final fights at the end. Sadly, many have not heard this music properly, as the film has cut most of it out or shifted it around so that it doesn't make sense.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 1,821 Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 For me TPM is a score were several brilliant musical moments are surrounded by musical....nothingness, Even if we ignore the horrible edits (if that is even possible) i can still find fault with this score.I thi nk when i listen to the complete score (the Elvisjones version) about 60 to 65 % of it is totally uninteresting, (if you think about it, is IS a perfect score for the film  ) about 15 % is just OK, with several really great cues of great parts of cues scattered throughout the score.My thoughts exactly.Stefancos- Who thinks AOTC is a better score, but still lightyears removed from SW, TESB and ROTJ.I don't think AOTC is better than TPM, but I agree that it's light years worse than the scores from the Classic Trilogy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 I don't think AOTC is better than TPM, but I agree that it's light years worse than the scores from the Classic Trilogy.To say that Attack of the Clones] is Willams' least inspired Star Wars score would be an understatement. I really don't blame him though. The film is so uninspiring, and he was probably directed to write 2 hours of music, and that's simply what he did. He was probably aware that his music would be butchered again, and he knew that the typical fanboys would eat up whatever he released anyway. I think he stopped caring about this series.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 9 Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 I still think Phantom Menace is an incredible score.I mean it had so many things in there.Duel of the FatesAnakin's ThemeThe Droid BattleThe Flag ParadePanaka and the Queens ProtectorsThe Tide Turns/The death of Darth MaulQui-Gon's FuneralThe Swim to Otoh GungaThe Corruscant Fanfare heard in The Arrival at Naboo on the 1st cd (for some odd reason)Anakin is Free (where you hear a gorgeous rendition of his mother's theme)JarJar's ThemeAnakin Defeats SebulbaThere are so many others....It is a great score in my opinion I agree 100%. It has so many great new themes and motifs, plus, despite all the comments about the esdits, I think the UE is the best OST CD release ever. I think Qui Gon's theme is way under-rated. I absolutly love it- especialy in the first fight with Darth Maul- the second you see the wide shot it starts- it is simply invigorating. I love a lot of the small moments- like the great cue played when the queen is being led by the droid through the city, just before Qui Gon and Obi Wan free them. Or, the 5 seconds for which I bought the UE specificaly- when at the end, Yoda is talking to Obi Wan, and when he talks about Anakin's future you hear the imperial March in the quietest rendition- really makes the hairs on the back of your neck stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 1,821 Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 despite all the comments about the esdits, I think the UE is the best OST CD release ever.I think it's one of the worst OST CD releases ever. I think Qui Gon's theme is way under-rated. I disagree. Everyone loves that theme -myself included Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin 2 Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 Indeed I do love Qui-Gon's theme. One of the highlights of TPM. Justin -Who thinks that TPM is wonderful and only dislikes 80% of the music on Couruscant. The musical situation with AOTC is so awful (in terms of the treatment) that it is practiacally imposible to enjoy it in the context of the film. And I highly doubt they will give us a UE of it atleast like they did with TPM. Can you imagine a On The Conveyor Belts (Film Version)? Personally I think that Lucas's treatment of Williams music began when he cut out Johnny's original Aboard the Executer music (The best rendition of the Imperial March of all time.) in Empire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 I wish I had had a chance to participate in this poll, as it seems it was fairly well organized and administrated.I was surpised to find CE3K not in the top 10. It's definitely in the top 5, for me. I was especially glad to hear Mr. Williams remark that it was one his favorites in the AfterWords of the concert on the 27th. Unfortunatley, I was the only one in the room that began to applaud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lurker 5 Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 I agree 100%. It has so many great new themes and motifs, plus, despite all the comments about the esdits, I think the UE is the best OST CD release ever.You like it more than albums that are properly assembled like Star Wars and Superman - The Movie? I can understand if you prefer the music in TPM, but certainly not the album presentation. It's a very poorly produced album, and certainly not the way any music should be presented for critical listening. I hate to keep saying this, but Williams really blew it with that album.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris ChrusherComix 27 Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 This list is excellent. I agree with it completely. As I said, I know that Schindler's List, Jaws 1, and CE3K are great scores, although I'm not crazy about repeated listenings, hence they didn't score as high on my list.And AOTC is indeed the least inspired of the Star Wars scores to date. It's a notch below the other 4, but still good in my book. It has it's highlights, and we are yet to hear the whole score, but the fact that people have said that there is no missing end-battle music leads me to believe that the score is indeed the least of the Star Wars scores. I hope a complete release is made available to change my mind, because it is disappointing.TPM is just as good as the original trilogy scores in my book, although it's presentation on both the OST and the UE are bad and worse. The fan-made boots that so many of us compiled (from video games and such) are far better than either, and yet still incomplete. I'm still dying to hear the completed masterwork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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