Fantastic Beasts And Where To Find Them 5-film series

[Jay 37,285]

12 hours ago, Michael said:

First trailer, Hedwig's theme is used two times

 

 

 

OK, finally watched this.  Frankly, it looks pretty boring.

 

Trailer music was awful, hated its version of Hedwig's theme

 

 

Oh, here's the US version

 

 

[Matt C 452]

The movie looks better with each trailer, but I'm still skeptical. I don't doubt Rowling's writing ability, nor Eddie Redmayne's casting, but the plot seems unappealing.

[Mr. Breathmask 555]

Dear trailer music composers,

 

Please stop stripping great John Williams themes of everything that makes them great.

 

Thank you.

[bollemanneke 3,337]

Oh my GAWD, that first Hedwig's Theme variation SUCKS! And the plot really is uninteresting. I want a movie about the Salem Witch trials.

[Richard Penna 3,670]

I'll have to disagree with the grain and say I rather liked the trailer music.

 

I like the look of the film too. Hopefully with a period setting we're going to get a more traditional JNH score. Although I await the inevitable what if Williams had scored this? debate.

[JoeinAR 1,949]

10 hours ago, bollemanneke said:

Oh my GAWD, that first Hedwig's Theme variation SUCKS! And the plot really is uninteresting. I want a movie about the Salem Witch trials.

 

you are not going to get that from JKR and to expect that is asinine.

I agree with Richard.

 

[Arpy 4,145]

It seems like they used the Interstellar trailer music and used Hedwig's Theme over the top.

[leeallen01 2,133]

I guess someone at Warner Bros. saw the video I made last year. 

 

 

[TheUlyssesian 2,473]

On 4/11/2016 at 11:25 AM, Joey said:

Sorry but your comment made me laugh at the sheer ignorance regarding colors. It's not Yates it's the majority  of films dp's. It's easier to go with that hideous color palette than adjust the films to real color and cheaper.

On 4/11/2016 at 8:08 AM, Thor said:

The director ideally has control over every single aspect of the film. You can't be serious stating that Yates has nothing to do with the look of his own film. THAT is absurd. Of course he has control. A film looks how the director wants. The DP realizes the vision that the director has.

 

 

[nightscape94 965]

That would be one of many things covered in pre-production meetings.

[JoeinAR 1,949]

2 hours ago, TheUlyssesian said:

The director ideally has control over every single aspect of the film. You can't be serious stating that Yates has nothing to do with the look of his own film. THAT is absurd. Of course he has control. A film looks how the director wants. The DP realizes the vision that the director has.

 

 

This is now often a studio decision. It's difficult to believe a hired gun has full control not with hundreds of millions of dollars at stake. 

 

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Indeed. 

[TheUlyssesian 2,473]

3 hours ago, Joey said:

This is now often a studio decision. It's difficult to believe a hired gun has full control not with hundreds of millions of dollars at stake. 

 

He has say for sure.

Look at Snyder films. They look so peculiar. There are shit but atleast his own shit and not the studios shit. Even BvS as murky as it looks, is how he himself intended it to look.

And its a 250 million dollar production.

 

I agree cash grab films like Fantastic Beasts might give less control to the director, but he most definitely has a say. He's "in the room" when these things are getting called so to say, its not like the look is decided without any consultation with the director. That's his job. The studio pays him to oversee that.

[JoeinAR 1,949]

5 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said:

He has say for sure.

Look at Snyder films. They look so peculiar. There are shit but atleast his own shit and not the studios shit. Even BvS as murky as it looks, is how he himself intended it to look.

And its a 250 million dollar production.

 

I agree cash grab films like Fantastic Beasts might give less control to the director, but he most definitely has a say. He's "in the room" when these things are getting called so to say, its not like the look is decided without any consultation with the director. That's his job. The studio pays him to oversee that.

Thank you for proving my point. Snyder's shit fests are blue and orange just like the Potter films and the upcoming Beasts. Sadly just like most films notably the ugly latest Bond film and the last Mockingjay. We're in the ugliest of looks for movies in ages. It's cheaper to go with blue and orange cinematography than to make a beautiful color movie.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Idiot!

[crumbs 14,300]

2 hours ago, Joey said:

Thank you for proving my point. Snyder's shit fests are blue and orange just like the Potter films and the upcoming Beasts. Sadly just like most films notably the ugly latest Bond film and the last Mockingjay. We're in the ugliest of looks for movies in ages. It's cheaper to go with blue and orange cinematography than to make a beautiful color movie.

 

I didn't realise colour gradists charged extra fees when you branch outside the teal and orange filter!

[JoeinAR 1,949]

Everything costs money. 

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

Yeah but more money?

[Jay 37,285]

 

 

http://www.amazon.com/dp/1338109065/

[mstrox 6,646]

Is that the final cover?

[Jay 37,285]

Is that a joke?

[mstrox 6,646]

Not a successful one!

[mrbellamy 6,272]

I got ya 

 

That's neat. I always wish more screenplays would be published. 

[Bilbo 3,709]

The annotated Star Wars screenplays were cool!

 

The Phantom Menace was released as an illustrated book. Clones and Sith were included in their Art of Books I think. 

 

 

Only ones ones I own I think. 

[Jay 37,285]

House names from American magic school revealed

 

Horned Serpent, Wampus, Thunderbird, and Pukwudgie

[Pieter Boelen 740]

Is it just me or does that sound exceedingly like an Americanized carbon copy of Hogwarts?

Where:

Slytherin = Horned Serpent

Gryffindor = Wampus

Thunderbird = Ravenclaw

Pukwudgie = Hufflepuff

 

I think they should add a fifth house, just to make it clearly NOT the same.

Or does the wizarding world have international standards on the different houses in their schools?

[SafeUnderHill 205]

[Jay 37,285]

Well if they are really doing THREE films set in America, I think eventually schooling will come up

[Pieter Boelen 740]

2 hours ago, SafeUnderHill said:

I mean isn't it pretty common for Schools to have four houses?

Is it? I haven't a clue. I only know of the "four houses" thing from Harry Potter.

[SafeUnderHill 205]

[Bofur01 245]

Mine had 3 in the first few years and 6 in later ones, it's definitely not convention...

[Pieter Boelen 740]

Learned something new today.

[Bilbo 3,709]

If Hogwarts was the very first school then it's possible other schools names their houses after the four founders too.  

[DarthDementous 1,059]

On 5/12/2016 at 4:01 AM, Pieter_Boelen said:

Is it just me or does that sound exceedingly like an Americanized carbon copy of Hogwarts?

Where:

Slytherin = Horned Serpent

Gryffindor = Wampus

Thunderbird = Ravenclaw

Pukwudgie = Hufflepuff

 

I think they should add a fifth house, just to make it clearly NOT the same.

Or does the wizarding world have international standards on the different houses in their schools?

how are gryffindor and wampus remotely similar? one is some kind of cougar and the other is a lion, and the names are completely different.

 

as well with pukwudgie and hufflepuff, completely different names and the former is a form of troll.

[bollemanneke 3,337]

It just comes down to this: JK Rowling actually regretts ending HP but can't find the courage to write another book. Meanwhile, WB is obsessed by butchering franchises and came up with the idea to Americanise the British franchise. Everything is now happening in Murica, including that film concert series, as though the rest of the world suddenly doesn't matter anymore. For the record, I don't have anything against the US, but this hopeless revival attempt is getting more ridiculous by the day.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

1 minute ago, bollemanneke said:

Everything is now happening in Murica, including that film concert series, as though the rest of the world suddenly doesn't matter anymore.

 

That's essentially the mindset of most Americans. It's a very isolated country, in a way.

[bollemanneke 3,337]

Yeah, but it somehow doesn't make sense because going international means more money.

[crumbs 14,300]

I'm super excited by the potential of JNH doing this score, but Yates is such a buzz kill. If JNH's abilities are dragged down by the direction, it'll be another coaster of a Potter-universe score.

[Pieter Boelen 740]

Indeed I hope so much that James Newton Howard will write a proper good score.

I haven't been this hopeful about a Harry Potter soundtrack since Williams was still writing them.

 

More than any of those other composers (obviously excluding JW), JNH can come up with some glorious stuff.

I've been listening to his work again for the first time in quite some time and it can be really good.

 

Quite exciting that they decided to hire a composer who is actually able to write wonderful magical fun stuff.

Now I'm just holding out hope that they'll actually let him do that too.

[bollemanneke 3,337]

For me, Doyle's score was glorious and magical...

[DarthDementous 1,059]

13 minutes ago, bollemanneke said:

For me, Doyle's score was glorious and magical...

I agree! it had a bit of a Williams aesthetic but it stood on its own delivering memorable themes and a feeling of somber magic, perfectly matching the tone of the fourth film. of course I may be biased because the first 4 Potter films are my absolute favourites. 

[Pieter Boelen 740]

Doyle made me fall asleep during the Voldemort track.

That might have been because I was sick when listening to it, but it certainly pales compared to the final confirmation in Philosopher's Stone.

 

That whole dragon chase flight scene also sounded "loud" more than it sounded "exciting".

Didn't even sound threatening either. Instead, it sounded rather slow for such a fast paced scene.

That scene could have had music that was more exciting than The Quidditch Match.

But that was not to be.

 

There were some good spots though. The Death Eaters was quite OK.

And there were some sort cool bits in both the Dragon Chase and the Black Lake scenes.

 

On the whole: not so bad. But not even close to Williams Good.

And not close to the best by James Newton Howard either.

[crumbs 14,300]

I quite like whatever Doyle theme appears as Harry's parents appear in ghost-form to help him fight Voldemort in GOF. Harry In Winter is nice but repetitive; it's clearly aping Williams but doesn't understand the way he builds his concert suites with intricate orchestration.

 

There's plenty of great musical moments written by Doyle and Desplat, overall. The scores are just overwhelmingly flat due to Yates' flat direction.

 

I rate JNH higher than either composer though, so this is an exciting appointment. Just hoping the trailers are misleading and this film contains much more whimsy and magic than we're being shown.

[Pieter Boelen 740]

The fourth film scored by Doyle was directed by Mike Newell.

Yates had Hooper and Desplat.

 

All subsequent Harry Potter scores had moments that were quite good.

But they're far between and the missed opportunities of thematic consistency bring it all crashing down.

 

None of it is exceptionally bad. But they had a very high standard to live up to and did not succeed one bit.

[mrbellamy 6,272]

7 hours ago, crumbs said:

I quite like whatever Doyle theme appears as Harry's parents appear in ghost-form to help him fight Voldemort in GOF. Harry In Winter is nice but repetitive

 

They're one and the same! I enjoy how he developed that theme, I agree that the concert track is merely okay but he did bring it out in the score in a way that we never really saw again with a Potter theme. Granted, Desplat did spin a lot of variations on "Obliviate." He does his best with it but it's not very distinctive, meanwhile "Lily's Theme" turned out to be kinda disappointing after those two lovely versions in the beginning of the film (the title and the dragon flight)

 

But Doyle did a nice job with "Harry in Winter." It works really well as a hero theme and all the Triwizard variations are really fun. He builds it well, it really soars when it's supposed to, it's legible throughout the film. It's well-done, the biggest misstep with the theme to me is "Death of Cedric" which is just too much and sums up my problem with the score which is that the tone becomes obnoxious after awhile. There's little underplaying, feels like he's only ever hitting one emotion at a time and usually as broadly as possible. Williams gets a lot of crap for that too but to me the difference is that while there's enough gooey sentimentality and cheerleading to go around (which I love in their moments), there was also always this great spooky undercurrent in even the most "magical" passages that I enjoy just as much. The stuff we always talk about with Williams, lots of modal writing and chromatic melodies, the jazzy harmonies, they give his Potter scores this blend of comfort, sadness, menace, joy etc that draws me in, often all within a single cue.

 

Just those little touches that make his music feel so well-rounded and dramatic. Doyle's score is often thrilling but lacked that kind of nuance for me, Hooper's are dramatically functional and do have their highlights but the music is mostly dry and simplistic even at its most enjoyable, whereas Desplat's stuff -- well-constructed, emotionally attuned, colorfully orchestrated -- just rarely ever sang out in the way that I wanted after hearing Williams in this series. These are not bad scores but of course it was an impossible act to follow.

[bollemanneke 3,337]

Doyle does tend to be a little too sentimental, but that's just his style, I think. As for Harry In Winter being repetitive, that's true too, but I find lots of concert arrangements in general to be very repetitive, no matter who composes them.

[Not Mr. Big 4,639]

9 hours ago, Pieter_Boelen said:

Doyle made me fall asleep during the Voldemort track.

That might have been because I was sick when listening to it, but it certainly pales compared to the final confirmation in Philosopher's Stone.

 

That whole dragon chase flight scene also sounded "loud" more than it sounded "exciting".

Didn't even sound threatening either. Instead, it sounded rather slow for such a fast paced scene.

That scene could have had music that was more exciting than The Quidditch Match.

But that was not to be.

 

Same.  I love the score's lyrical music but the suspense and action music is very underwhelming.  It didn't have to have the frenetic sixteenth-notes of Williams' Potter scores but something more than sustained minor-key whole notes would have been preferable.  Very lethargic.  

[DarthDementous 1,059]

I agree, Patrick Doyle is like Williams without the nuance. that being said, I still prefer that style over the minimalistic and somewhat generic tracks we got further down the line. I think I'd enjoy Alexandre Desplat's scoring if it had more of a Williams aesthetic because musically there are quite a few nice pieces, but the heavy feeling of the orchestra and overall darkness reminds me too much of Hans Zimmer.

[DemonStar 57]

I'm really so happy to know that JNH is scoring this film. He's one of my top favourites too and almost every score (especially Maleficent) I've heard from him lately is amazing. I don't dislike Mr. Yates' work as such but it's true that he watered down the music in his films too much. I still have hope that JNH will produce a very fine orchestral fantasy score. Just praying there's no last minute composer replacement or something. Definitely one of the scores I'm looking forward to most this year.

[Mr. Breathmask 555]

23 hours ago, Pieter_Boelen said:

That whole dragon chase flight scene also sounded "loud" more than it sounded "exciting".

 

That pretty much sums up all of GoF.