Bilbo 3,709 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Titanic. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 9 minutes ago, Bespin said: what are the "best" expanded scores of James Horner? Not best in terms of your favourite ones, but which are the best in the sense that they bring so more much to the listening experience or the representativity of the score, comparing to the OST experience, so that they are kind of "essential". Star Trek 3, Krull, Aliens, Apollo 13, Titanic Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 The Rocketeer. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bounty95 558 Posted May 5, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 5, 2021 As Horner's OSTs are usually very comprehensive and represent his scores well, there are few expansions that are "essential" (unless you are a die-hard fan like me). Titanic is the first one that comes to my mind, as this is a rare occasion where I consider the OST to be a bad representation (it contains lots of unused material and is missing key cues). So the LLL is absolutely necessary. Braveheart was worth getting for "Romantic Alliance" alone. I'll also add Krull to the list. Willow is missing a lot of great material as well, so once Intrada releases an expansion it will be an instant purchase for me. TSMefford, Raiders of the SoundtrArk, Edmilson and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,398 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Bounty95 said: Titanic is the first one that comes to my mind, as this is a rare occasion where I consider the OST to be a bad representation (it contains lots of unused material and is missing key cues). So the LLL is absolutely necessary. Agreed. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Titanic... really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 9 minutes ago, Bespin said: Titanic... really? Yes. Disco Stu and Bespin 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Yes, Horner's best score. Oomoog the Ecstatic and Bespin 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 2 hours ago, Bounty95 said: Titanic is the first one that comes to my mind, as this is a rare occasion where I consider the OST to be a bad representation (it contains lots of unused material and is missing key cues). So the LLL is absolutely necessary. Yay, even more synthetic choir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Unpopular opinion maybe, but I've never been that big on Titanic, or even Braveheart for that matter. I prefer Horner on a slightly smaller scale I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 43 minutes ago, Bespin said: Titanic... really? You didn't ask us for our favorites, you asked us for the ones that "bring so more much to the listening experience or the representativity of the score, comparing to the OST experience" and the LLL Titanic absolutely does that, yes. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 32 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Yes, Horner's best score. Yes. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Titanic's Expansion is back in print... - This post is brought to you by La-La Land Records! TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 If you don’t own Back to Titanic (I think) it is still worth having. Along with the Il Salostini disc from the anniversary edition of source music is your thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark 312 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Back to Titanic is fantastic for those suites. I think an expanded Perfect Storm would fit the bill for this question, should it ever be released. Most of Horner’s OSTs are mercifully well-made, though. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 I always wondered what is "Back to Titanic"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,398 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 I think most Horner OSTs from his post-Titanic, pre-Avatar years included all the major highlights of their scores. I'd love to be proven wrong with expansions though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Mostly fan bait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 I'd say all his OST albums from the mid-90s to the end had very comprehensive and satisfyingly OST albums, with the exceptions of the two longest scores (Titanic and Avatar) Some of the others will have some cool little cues here and there he didn't include, but I don't think the overall experience will not be changed as much as some of his older scores were, by their expansions Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 56 minutes ago, Bespin said: I always wondered what is "Back to Titanic"? The prequel. Cameron is shooting it in 3d IMAX for 2025 release. I highly recommend BTT if only for " A Gathering Panic", easily the best action cue in the score! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bilbo 3,709 Posted May 5, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 5, 2021 57 minutes ago, Bespin said: I always wondered what is "Back to Titanic"? It was a second album released about a year after the fact. Kind of like a “more music from Titanic” release. It has extra cues, some specially recorded suites, some source music (some dialogue in a few tracks unfortunately), and some music written by Horner that was inspired by Titanic but not actually from the movie. You can get it for around a fiver now a days and it’s probably worth that much for the suites alone. Holko, Bespin and bruce marshall 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark 312 Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 The “Epilogue, the Deep and Timeless Sea” suite might be the best piece of music from all of Titanic, and worth the purchase alone. Not to mention several other great tracks. Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 8 hours ago, His Royal Noelness said: and it’s probably worth that much for the suites alone It'd be worth 4 times as much for the suites alone! They're a fantastic slightly evolved look back at the material in a freer setting. bruce marshall and Stark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 And these suites aren't included in the LLL expansion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 No, they are later recordings with a different orchestra in a different studio and all that. I guess it could have been solved like The E.T. Adventure (if the rights situation is solvable), but then it would have been a 5 disc set just for that. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 Don't they also have a real choir? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 They sure do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 I'll have to check it out again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarFox 25 Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 I’d welcome an expanded edition of 1998’s “Mask of Zorro”. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jean-Baptiste Martin 249 Posted May 6, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted May 6, 2021 As the topic is active these last days, I take the opportunity to give some news about the writing of the book. The chapters on the 80's and 90's are written. There are about 600 pages so far. And there is still the whole 2000-2015 period to do! As an example, the chapter on Titanic has pages of description of the process of creating the music, week-by-week. This is not 40 pages of commentary and musical analysis, but the behind the scenes of the creation of the music. None of this would be possible without James Horner’s collaborators, who shared their memories in dozens of hours of interviews and archival material as we endeavor to be as accurate as possible. James Horner’s close collaborators and his family are not the only ones to participate. Here the list of directors, producers, and assistants interviewed for the book: Lewis Teague (Lady in Red) Roger Corman (Lady in Red, Up From The Depths, Humanoids from the Deep, Battle Beyond The Stars) Nicholas Meyer (Star Trek II, Volunteers, The Pied Piper of Hamelin) Lynne Littman (Testament, In Her Own Time) Douglas Trumbull (Brainstorm, Let’s Go) Walter Hill (48 Hrs. Streets of Fire, Red Heat, Cutting Cards, Another 48Hrs.) Christopher Cain (The Stone Boy, Where the River Runs Black, Young Guns) Michael Dinner (Heaven Help Us, Off Beat) Jeremy Kagan (The Journey of Natty Gann) Don Bluth (An American Tail, The Land Before Time) Gary Goldman (An American Tail, The Land Before Time) Jean-Jacques Annaud (The Name of the Rose, Enemy at the Gates,Black Gold, Wolf Totem) Matthew Robbins (Batteries Not Included) Phil Alden Robinson (Field of Dreams, Sneakers, Freedom Song) David Kirschner (An American Tail 1 & 2, Fish Police / Hocus Pocus, Once Upon A Forest, The Pagemaster) Charles Grosvenor (Once Upon A Forest) Marshall Herskovitz (Extreme Close-Up, Jack The Bear, Legends of the Fall) Mikael Salomon (A Far Off Place) Philip Noyce (Patriot Games, Clear and Present Danger) Simon Wells (An American Tail 2, We're Back!: A Dinosaur's Story, Balto) Bonnie Curtis (We're Back!: A Dinosaur's Story, Casper, The Chumscrubber) Brad Silberling (Casper) Michael Pressman (To Gillian on Her 37th Birthday) Jonathan Dana (The Spitfire Grill) Ron Underwood (Mighty Joe Young) Shekhar Kapur (The Four Feathers) Vadim Perelman (House of Sand and Fog, The Life Before Her Eyes) Rowdy Herrington (Bobby Jones: Stroke of Genius) Arie Posin (The Chumscrubber) Mark Herman (The Boy in the Striped Pajamas) Harald Zwart (The Karate Kid) Brian J. Terwilliger (Living in the Age of Airplanes) I regularly share the progress of the work in writing or in video format on the Patreon page: https://www.patreon.com/jhfm Patrons benefit from exclusive content. For example, since the beginning of the year, they have been able to discuss with the daughter and the wife of the composer. Donations are used for research and for the rights to use the images in the book. We are also working on an album and a documentary. If there are any patrons on this forum, I would like to tell them: Thank you for your support. You can be proud because without you, none of this would be possible. MikeH, The Illustrious Jerry, Thor and 5 others 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, Jean-Baptiste Martin said: We are also working on an album What would be on that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 Un cousin français? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean-Baptiste Martin 249 Posted May 7, 2021 Author Share Posted May 7, 2021 9 hours ago, Jay said: What would be on that? I had started to talk about it on the previous page. On 8/6/2020 at 1:19 AM, Jean-Baptiste Martin said: Recording and releasing an album featuring the rare, almost unheard concert works. 9 hours ago, Bespin said: Un cousin français? Yes, even in France we listen to film music. Bespin and Jay 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 It's a phenomenal undertaking, Jean-Baptiste. Obviously, there are some A listers missing - such as James Cameron. I'm sure you've tried, and that he's simply too hard to get to. Can't wait to read all about this when it gets out. I know that my Norwegian acquaintance Kim has been involved as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean-Baptiste Martin 249 Posted May 7, 2021 Author Share Posted May 7, 2021 Thank you Thor. Regarding Jim Cameron, you're right, he is very busy. I think he's making movies right now. And then he's already talked a lot about James Horner on many occasions. It's the same for Ron Howard and Mel Gibson. So I already have in the database a lot of quotes from these three directors. I'll just have a few questions about The Missing to Ron Howard, and Apocalypto to Mel Gibson. So I concentrated on the other collaborators to get new information on as many films as possible. Yes Kim helps me a lot. Our team is international! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Cool. Marian -- who also posts here -- took a lot of excellent Horner photos for my interview in 2013. So many, in fact, that when you scroll through them, it almost becomes live action. Bittersweet to watch now. With his permission, I'm sure you could use some of them. Then again, I guess you have no shortage of Horner photos yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean-Baptiste Martin 249 Posted May 7, 2021 Author Share Posted May 7, 2021 It would be great to add some pictures taken by Marian indeed! The goal is to have as many pictures as possible. I'll keep myself 6 months after the writing for the layout and the negotiation of the rights to use the photos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 I'd love to hear about WOLFEN That was the score that got me into JH and was a template for the ST scores. Don't know if Michael Wadleigh is still with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean-Baptiste Martin 249 Posted May 7, 2021 Author Share Posted May 7, 2021 @bruce marshall Michael Wadleigh is still alive but he had already left the project when James Horner arrived. For Wolfen we have collected the memories of music editor Robert Badami. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Interesting trivia. I saw WOLFEN in SF at a theater just down the street from Intrada's retail store. After the screening I went over there to see if they had the soundtrack. Turns out Doug Fake had also been very impressed by the score. Later he acquired a cassette copy and , ultimately, released it on CD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean-Baptiste Martin 249 Posted May 7, 2021 Author Share Posted May 7, 2021 I couldn't have the same experience as you because I was 3 years old in 1981. People like Douglass Trumbull, Nicholas Meyer told us about Wolfen. This music impressed them. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Jean-Baptiste Martin said: It would be great to add some pictures taken by Marian indeed! The goal is to have as many pictures as possible. I'll keep myself 6 months after the writing for the layout and the negotiation of the rights to use the photos. OK, great. I'll let Marian respond here, if he reads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Geez guys, ping him already! @Marian Schedenig mrbellamy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 On 2/23/2021 at 1:51 PM, Jay said: Intrada later debuted [soundtrack albums] using abridged & arranged albums (Honey I Shrunk The Kids, The Journey of Natty Gann, Something Wicked This Way Comes) Ahh.....those were the days!😞 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marian Schedenig 8,179 Posted May 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 7, 2021 6 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: Geez guys, ping him already! @Marian Schedenig Thanks for the ping. Much though I like Horner, many hear as so much bigger fans that I don't regularly read the non-specific Horner stuff (like this thread), so I wouldn't have noticed this discussion. @Jean-Baptiste Martin, here's a Flickr album with some of the photos: (The message board just shows one picture, but it links to the Flickr album) That's a representative selection; I have 155 photos of Thor's interview in total. They're mainly redundant if you have the subset in the Flickr album, but I'd be happy to upload the rest in case you prefer some of the alternates. All of them are entirely unedited; I can also provide the raw files if you want to do colour correction and all the other post processing stuff that I never learnt. Jurassic Shark, Thor, Smeltington and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Excellent photo showing there, Marian Marian Schedenig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Great selection, Marian. You should upload the handshake one where we get to see Horner's wrist tatoo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,179 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 16 minutes ago, Thor said: Great selection, Marian. You should upload the handshake one where we get to see Horner's wrist tatoo. (I don't have a paid Flickr account anymore, so I've stopped uploading stuff there) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Nice! Where's Thor's tattoo? I need it for a book I'm writing. Who's the lady, btw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 That's Sandra Tomek - the woman behind the Hollywood in Vienna events. Thanks, Marian. Can anyone make out what the tattoo actually is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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