#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Will the fat Dwarf who was not given a line of dialogue in An Unexpected Journey finally be allowed to speak in The Desolation Of Smaug? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 If they stay true to the book, he will. But that's PJ we're talking about, so... I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 The third option seems so...Bloodboalian. SafeUnderHill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I'd rather he didn't really, because in one of the Chronicles books Stephen Hunter mentions using an Ulster accent to sound like his brother. Now the various accents of the New Zealand actors playing the Dwarves have been very good to date, but a Northern Irish accent is a very difficult one to pull off. If he can do it, then yes, by all means speak. And because Hunter said that I think he will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I lost interest in the Hobbit franchise after forty minutes into the first movie. Jilal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 If you watch the first movie with subtitles he does say something during the escape from the Goblin King. It's an exclamation of some kind but it proves he isn't mute! I think he might be a funnier character without a line though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewya 360 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 He will speak I think, but I don't really care to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,192 Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 He'll complain about the dwarves waking him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Bombur makes Silent Bob look interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Don;t we have a Lord of the Rings sub-forum? Wojo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 I'm beginning to think we should! It would make it easier to talk about some things without them being crammed into a thread with four other discussions going on... Wojo and Sharkissimo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 1, 2013 Author Share Posted December 1, 2013 Dont you dare!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Let's not go through that again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,220 Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 I'd rather he didn't really, because in one of the Chronicles books Stephen Hunter mentions using an Ulster accent to sound like his brother. Now the various accents of the New Zealand actors playing the Dwarves have been very good to date, but a Northern Irish accent is a very difficult one to pull off. If he can do it, then yes, by all means speak. And because Hunter said that I think he will.I heard the actor say some things in a Northern Irish accent in the Extended Edition DVD's special features, and thought it was excellent. I hope he does have some lines in the actual film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Yes, the accent was very convincing on the behind the scenes features. I actually thought he was from Northern Ireland at first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,220 Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 We're here till take beck are wee mountain, so we are! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,516 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Is it me, or does this character look a lot like Brown Tom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 He looks like Obelix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 He looks like Obelix.He really does a bit yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,516 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 According to something called Wiki, he will be voiced by a different actor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Will the fat Dwarf who was not given a line of dialogue in An Unexpected Journey finally be allowed to speak in The Desolation Of Smaug?OMG what a stupid looking character,count me in the don't give a shit category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 Yes, he is a stupid looking character Joey. Well spotted, pat yourself on the back!BTW I agree. Who does give a shit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 8, 2013 Author Share Posted December 8, 2013 Maybe he will be like Jaws in Moonraker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 I know the answer to this, having read it in a reviewNo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,220 Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 All of the reviews say... Spoiler ...that The Desolation of Smaug ends with a massive cliffhanger. I'm guessing that it's a shot of Bombur looking as though something's just occurred to him, whereupon he opens his mouth, hesitates, and we cut to black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 He didn't speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Glóin the Dark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 16, 2013 Author Share Posted December 16, 2013 That scene got a lot of laught in the theatre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 It did because it was funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 You could say it was a barrel of laughs, that one. Glóin the Dark and Smeltington 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bilbo 3,709 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 You could say it was a barrel of laughs, that one.I was rolling on the floor laughing.They're basically cannon fodder for Legolas and Tauriel.They have never looked so dumb than here. Any sense of threat or menace they conveyed in previous films is gone.Orcs have always looked liked canon fodder whenever Legolas is onscreen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Incanus 5,714 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Most of them seem to be guy in prosthetics (at least, in close-up shots). Their design was OK, but nothing as impressive as the one during the interrogation scene.They're basically cannon fodder for Legolas and Tauriel.They have never looked so dumb than here. Any sense of threat or menace they conveyed in previous films is gone.Orcs have always looked liked canon fodder whenever Legolas is onscreen.Not really, no. You had a sense he could kill an awful lot of Orcs, but not take down a whole army by himself. In The Hobbit, Legolas is like this invincible war machine, which almost makes him look like a pussy in LOTR by comparison.Yeah plus the lack of any danger to the heroes from the orcs and the senseless stream of decapitations reduces the violence to the realm of silliness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 It's because he's younger in The Hobbit. He's not as powerful in his old age. Much like Yoda is a superhero in Attack of the Clones, but he's a weak old man in The Empire Strikes Back. I hate prequels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 16, 2013 Author Share Posted December 16, 2013 Rubbish. The Irch have always been portrayed as infantile fighters in PJ's films.Near the end of FOTR about 100 approach Aragorn, and he gives a sly smile and starts hacking into them. Basically like Imperial Stormtroopers in Star Wars!Only the Uruks of the White Hand are shown as half decent fighters.It's because he's younger in The Hobbit. He's not as powerful in his old age.60 years is but a blink of an eye for an Elf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Rubbish. The Irch have always been portrayed as infantile fighters in PJ's films.Near the end of FOTR about 100 approach Aragorn, and he gives a sly smile and starts hacking into them. Basically like Imperial Stormtroopers in Star Wars!Only the Uruks of the White Hand are shown as half decent fighters.It's because he's younger in The Hobbit. He's not as powerful in his old age.60 years is but a blink of an eye for an Elf.It is Yrch Stefan, not Irch.And Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 16, 2013 Author Share Posted December 16, 2013 But you don't disagree with my points?The orcs in LOTR weren't very threatening, overall. The Fellowship killed hundreds of them, with great ease. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 I see you misunderstood the point I was making. I shan't explain it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 16, 2013 Author Share Posted December 16, 2013 I misunderstood for comic effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 But you don't disagree with my points?The orcs in LOTR weren't very threatening, overall. The Fellowship killed hundreds of them, with great ease.But in Lord of the Rings there are visceral consequences. People get wounded and die. In The Hobbit it is all fun and games and knocking of heads from CGI creatures with hardly no blood appearing on the weapons. It makes the foes inconsequential. Even in the midst of most horrible slaughtering spree Aragorn felt vulnerable whereas the Hobbit's characters do not. Even Kili's wound is a non-event in the end. The feel of the films is just so different and yet PJ wants to make them stand alongside LotR, where a lot of the contradiction in mood and style lies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 16, 2013 Author Share Posted December 16, 2013 I actually don't think they feel as different as some people here claim. A bit lighter yeah. But to be honest, LOTR was full of unlikely stunt and fight scenes. The action during the river scenes is no less over the top then Legolas killing an Oliphant and sliding to safety on his trunk, or ghost radiating a green glow sweeping across an entire army.... Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 I actually don't think they feel as different as some people here claim. A bit lighter yeah. But to be honest, LOTR was full of unlikely stunt and fight scenes. The action during the river scenes is no less over the top then Legolas killing an Oliphant and sliding to safety on his trunk, or ghost radiating a green glow sweeping across an entire army....And didn't I vocally bemoan those as well in 2003? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 16, 2013 Author Share Posted December 16, 2013 Yes you did! Yet now you claim that The Hobbit is so very different. Hmmmm.....I liked The Forest River scene because is gave us something we havent seen before. Same with some parts of the battle with Smaug. But i wonder about the upcoming Battle of Five Armies.This is going to be a massive battle of CGI armies again.Is it going to show us something we haven't seen in TTT and ROTK, and the many films with CGI armies battling each other since then?BTW, I totally agree with you that PJ is making a mistake in turning The Hobbit in another 9 hour epic akin to LOTR.The book doesnt support that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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