KK 3,308 Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Mood for the night: Code 000. Destruct. 0. and Naïve Old Fart 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Code 000. Destruct. 0. 4,260 Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 So fine, so smooth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,974 Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 Something a little more recent. Dare i ask what JWFan thinks of... Jacob Collier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,047 Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 21 hours ago, Boom Tss said: Something a little more recent. Dare i ask what JWFan thinks of... Jacob Collier? Big fan of Cory Henry! Always nice to have another gear nerd to look up to. I haven't listened to much of Jacob Collier, but I liked what I heard. Any tracks to recommend? I discovered this band a few days ago. A bandmate listened to it and thought it would be a "me" tune. That part with the key changes leading up to that Dmaj7 chord with the lead on top at 1:41... Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,974 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 On 11/3/2019 at 3:42 PM, Nick Parker said: I haven't listened to much of Jacob Collier, but I liked what I heard. Any tracks to recommend? He's a millenial phenomenon. A multi-instrumentalist prodigy that came to fame with his dense acapella arrangements of jazz and soul standards. Personally I find his music rather overcooked and ostentatious, a kind of performative grandstanding that places form and technique above expression, but hey that's just me. As he's revered by MusicTheoryYoutube, I just wondered what yourself, @Dixon Hill, @KK, @Loert and the rest of the gang here made of him. Nick Parker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,047 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 @Boom Tss Thanks, I'll give these tracks a listen later tonight and letchu know what I think! What you say is a bad omen, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Code 000. Destruct. 0. 4,260 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 I share your assessment Sharky. The carol you posted is a good example, I've heard cats doing what's at the core of that for longer than Collier has been alive and they didn't overdress it like he has a tendency to. Maybe I'm a stick in the mud. Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,308 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 Cheers for the videos Sharky. I agree that his stuff is by and large too over-produced my liking. Kid clearly knows his stuff, but his aptitude for the function of design (harmonic or sonic) seems to get in the way of the actual spirit of his music, especially when at the end of the day, that remains the soul of jazz (which from what I can tell, seems to be a shoehorned genre monicker for him anyway). I do think his latest album has some good stuff, but even then his voice doesn't seem to have a bold stamp or personality of its own, preferring to get lost in the shimmering harmonies of his earlier a cappella stylings. With that said, I think there is something about the spirit of music-making of the last video that is definitely worth celebrating. As grandiose, and over-the-top as it is as a virtuosity showcase, when you're able to create a space that really transports your audience to that kind of frenzy, that's top class musicianship at work. I was later much less impressed with the studio recording of this on album. Much more schizophrenic and even mechanical. 19 hours ago, Boom Tss said: But hey, if this kid is ever back in town I'm definitely hitting that concert up. Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,663 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 On 11/2/2019 at 5:54 PM, Boom Tss said: Dare i ask what JWFan thinks of... Jacob Collier? I listened to him a bit a few years ago. The fact that he's extremely gifted is clear enough, and I especially adore his enthusiasm. I wouldn't say his music is my cup of tea (shifts around too much), but it's interesting to analyze, and fun/exciting in its own way. I also prefer his arrangements to his compositions, which are a bit...weird. What I find most annoying though is his cult following on MusicTheoryYoutube (as you put it). Yes, his harmony may be dense and pretty, his rhythms may be complex and exciting, but just because his music has chords with 10 pitches and uses something called "negative harmony" doesn't automatically make it the greatest work ever created*. However, if anyone's interested in music production then I highly recommend watching his videos where he composes music live (example below). It's really fascinating seeing him think through his creation process: * As an aside, one of my favourite moments in all of music is just a basic Eb major chord which appears near the end of Chopin's Sonata No.3 (24:02): On its own it's not much, but given the surrounding context, it sounds powerful enough to move a mountain. My point is that you don't need a lot of notes to achieve transcendence in music. Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,047 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 On 11/5/2019 at 12:32 PM, Boom Tss said: He's a millenial phenomenon. A multi-instrumentalist prodigy that came to fame with his dense acapella arrangements of jazz and soul standards. Personally I find his music rather overcooked and ostentatious, a kind of performative grandstanding that places form and technique above expression, but hey that's just me. Yo, dude, so sorry it took me a bit to get to this. So it turns out I was thinking of some other person, so this dude is new to me. So without knowing the originals, I liked the In the Bleak Midwinter video quite a bit. Some of the embellishments might not be "necessary" per se, but over the last few years, as someone who would be considered pretty minimal as a player, I've come to appreciate the idea of many notes creating one in a sense. This is something you can hear a lot in Corea, Hancock, and in a simpler sense NES video games--oh, and the strings in Hedwig's Theme come to mind too. Without wishing to sound too pretentious, I felt like the "extra notes" created that feeling of falling leaves. Stuff like Hideaway I enjoyed until he gets to the part where he's tracking twenty takes of him doing one melody--that's where I see the overcooked thing you mentioned. Maybe if I approach it from the angle of him trying to be a piano or orchestra with his voice I might appreciate it more, but the wall of sound can tire after several minutes. Makes me pine for someone like Davis would infamously surgically remove parts from say Zawinul's tunes and strip them to "leave a window open so [he] could get out." Definitely a musician of YouTube, for YouTube...the music community has gotten...interesting on there, lately. On 11/6/2019 at 4:45 PM, Loert said: MusicTheoryYoutube (1:47-1:52) Not my crowd. On 11/6/2019 at 4:45 PM, Loert said: negative harmony" Ugh On 11/6/2019 at 4:45 PM, Loert said: On its own it's not much, but given the surrounding context, it sounds powerful enough to move a mountain. My point is that you don't need a lot of notes to achieve transcendence in music. For sure. On Williams' front, the moment that immediately comes to mind is this one here, which I've geeked out about before. Not counting the moving lines and the occasional suspended chord, you're dealing with super simple stuff, basically an A to D then back if I'm not mistaken (the first several seconds). But everytime I hear it, it melts my heart to chocolate syrup. Well, speaking of Davis and Zawinul, here's a Wayne Shorter tune to soothe evenings and moisten eyes. Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,501 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 One of my favorite Jerome Kern songs, sung by the incredible Bobby Short. This recording makes me feel so suave and sensitive. Gimme a cigarette and a very dry martini. http://www.kritzerland.com/kern_webTrax/13 Never Gonna Dance.mp3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,047 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Disco Stu said: One of my favorite Jerome Kern songs, sung by the incredible Bobby Short. This recording makes me feel so suave and sensitive. Gimme a cigarette and a very dry martini. http://www.kritzerland.com/kern_webTrax/13 Never Gonna Dance.mp3 In the beginning, there was dark and disturbing. Then, followed realistic and relatable. You've waited for the rest of the story, and now... ...Suave and sensitive? The trilogy of JWFan Allliterative Adjectives is at its end. You _don't_ want to miss it. Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dutton 7,360 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Regular or menthol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,501 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 As we enter that time when Autumn is slouching towards Winter, the warm, ruminative embrace of Claude Thornhill and His Orchestra performing "Autumn Nocturne" is particularly comforting. It's an impeccable arrangement by Thornhill. When the solo clarinet comes in at 1:42... oof, just a perfect choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,501 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Duke Ellington - "Blutopia" I'm just hearing this piece for the first time and it's some really nice stuff. From his early "symphonic jazz" phase, around the same time as Black, Brown & Beige. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,563 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Bought this today ... Engineered by Bruce Botnick ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 13,128 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Does it sound like E.T.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,563 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 I actually didn't know Botnick was a Pop & Rock music engineer. This might explain why Steef thinks E.T. is the best engineered orchestral score ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,413 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Its how Botnick started before moving towards orchestral recordings. You think thats a bad thing? Do you disagree Botnick knows his job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,563 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 I don't question him at all. He had a long relationship with Goldsmith and Jerry was very keen on how things were recorded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,413 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 So why the put down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,563 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Maybe there is a connection between his pop & rock background and the reason why you think E.T. sounds different. Maybe that could explain it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 13,128 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 After all, JW is a rockstar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,391 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Bruce Botnick is much more famous from all his work with The Doors than any of his film score work. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 10,424 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Jay's right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,563 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 Was somebody claiming he was wrong? Personally, I only knew him as a engineer for film scores. I mean, when did you hear Doors fans talking about Bruce Botnick? The only engineer people talk about is George Martin (and he went from classical music to Pop & Rock). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,413 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 Jerry's other regular recording engineer, Mike Ross-Trevor started recording for The Who and Fleetwood Mac, amongst others. Maybe you like them more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 10,424 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 51 minutes ago, Alexcremers said: The only engineer people talk about is George Martin... Tsk, tsk, Alex. George Martin was a producer, not an engineer. 51 minutes ago, Alexcremers said: ...when did you hear Doors fans talking about Bruce Botnick? You obviously don't know many Doors fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,563 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 18 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: You obviously don't know many Doors fans True, you are the only Doors fan I know. But is there anything you don't like (except for A.I.)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 10,424 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 Really?! I'm the only Doors JWfaner?! Nah! Actually, Botnik ended up producing most of L.A. WOMAN, after the original producer quit. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,391 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 Doors fans absolutely know Bruce Botnick without question. He's been involved in all their remasters and has done tons of interviews and featurettes about working with them. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 13,128 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 7 minutes ago, Jay said: Doors fans absolutely know Bruce Botnick without question. He's been involved in all their remasters and has done tons of interviews and featureless about working with them. Featureless? That's a bit harsh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,391 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 Typo fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 10,424 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 "Featurettes"? That's a bit harsh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bespinGPT 8,753 Posted December 19, 2019 Author Share Posted December 19, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,501 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 I love this. It's definitely some of the coolest orchestration you can hear from Strayhorn. I love the clarinet-violin duo he keeps returning to. #NickParkerBait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,159 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,563 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 On 11/3/2019 at 4:42 PM, Nick Parker said: I haven't listened to much of Jacob Collier, but I liked what I heard. Any tracks to recommend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,563 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,308 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 On 1/4/2020 at 10:39 AM, Alexcremers said: Hmm. This is where his overproduced sound sort of flattens the range of the core idea. Made it very one-note. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,563 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Well, Herbie and I find it to be harmonically very impressive. And an "overproduced sound" to me means if he would've added power drums, bass guitar, a horns & strings arrangement, synths, piano, classical guitar doubled with an electric guitar, all drenched in a multitude of effects. This one is just Collier 'barebones'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 13,128 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 10,424 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Oh. Ngh. Oh yes. Hmm. Yeah. Unnghaahh. Yes. Oh yes. Yes. YES!!! YES!!! YES!!! YEEESSSS!!! AAAAGH!!!! Oooh. Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 13,128 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 It was for you, Richard. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,047 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 It starts out so light, but gets heavier and heavier until it becomes a knockout powerhouse by the end. Goddamn. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 10,424 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 Whoa! That is special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Train Station 8,667 Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 Anyone else listen to ABC Jazz? I have it on my DAB+ radio almost constantly these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,501 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Music for an uncertain Friday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,501 Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 Damn, RIP Ellis Marsalis, fine pianist and father to Wynton and Branford. He died yesterday from the coronavirus Here he is playing a lovely, thoughtful version of the very Duke Ellington tune I posted last week above SteveMc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,501 Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Far out, man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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