gkgyver 1,645 Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 The beginning definitely sounds like Pity Of Gollum. The soprano part after that, I'm lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Didn't we think that was related to the original music for Thorin's showdown with Azog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted May 6, 2015 Author Share Posted May 6, 2015 Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Would have been wonderful to see Doug write about a "Thorin Is Pissed Off" theme in the liner notes. There's still hope for the book at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Ah yes I didn't notice it's the same as 'Out of the Frying Pan.' Could it be a variation of the 'Ancient Enemy' idea? They both base themselves on 6 note groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 I wonder if it was not some early idea for Thorin's fate or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Sounds like Gollum to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 So does half of the other Middle-earth themes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 What ...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Weakness and Redemption sounds like The PIty of Gollum, and WaR is also in a lot of other themes.Besides, I don't know why Gollum would be showing up in the Out of the Frying Pan sequence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Weakness and Redemption sounds like The PIty of Gollum, and WaR is also in a lot of other themes.Besides, I don't know why Gollum would be showing up in the Out of the Frying Pan sequence.Yeah the choral section at the end of Brass Buttons sounds very close to Shore original take on Azog & Thorin's showdown heard in Out of the Frying-pan. I remember you were the one to point that out originally Faleel.And yeah Weakness and Redemption seems to be in the fabric of these scores. Thorin's little motif in AUJ, Thranduil's similar motif in DoS and BotFA, Gollum, Rivendell etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Thranduil's similar motif in DoS and BotFA.And its precursor in Roast Mutton/A Troll Hoard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Thranduil's similar motif in DoS and BotFA.And the preceding version in Roast Mutton/A Troll Hoard It is still Thorin's motif back then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 And at the end of Old Friends?That's the Burglar Motif! Or is it? Too many darn similar ideas! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Adams 494 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 And at the end of Old Friends?That's the Burglar Motif! Or is it? Too many darn similar ideas!Funny thing: there is no burglar motif in The Hobbit. Never was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted May 7, 2015 Author Share Posted May 7, 2015 Interesting!This music:Bilbo’s Burglar ThemeAUJ 1-12 Roast Mutton 4:08-4:22AUJ 2-08 Riddles In The Dark 3:48-4:00AUK 2-09 Brass Buttons 4:40-4:58 Sure sounds like one! Here are BB's videos where you can see this "theme" synced to the footage that made us think it was a burglar motif Roast Mutton 4:08-4:22Riddles In The Dark 3:48-4:00Brass Buttons 4:40-4:58 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Adams 494 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 And at the end of Old Friends?That's the Burglar Motif! Or is it? Too many darn similar ideas!Funny thing: there is no burglar motif in The Hobbit. Never was. Does Shore talk you through the music and what everything means, or does he leave it with you to digest and ask questions if you have any?We constantly talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 And at the end of Old Friends?That's the Burglar Motif! Or is it? Too many darn similar ideas!Funny thing: there is no burglar motif in The Hobbit. Never was. Yeah after a while I have had a feeling there wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Or rather "expert treasure hunter" theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 The theme when Gandalf scratches the sign on Bilbo's door is still the greatest mystery to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted May 7, 2015 Author Share Posted May 7, 2015 It relates to the music when Gandalf look at Bilbo's map in FOTR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 I think he knows that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted May 7, 2015 Author Share Posted May 7, 2015 I dunno what the mystery is, its a theme relating to the start of the quest for erebor, which Gandalf is reminded of when he looks at the map sixty years later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 I still think Shore might have constructed Thorin's theme around that, though I'm surely wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted May 7, 2015 Author Share Posted May 7, 2015 To my ears that melody relates to Thorin's theme for sure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Eyes? Not ears? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Does Howard Shore like steam trains? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Does Howard Shore like steam trains? Or aquariums? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Does he dream of electric sheep? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Adams 494 Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Does Howard Shore like steam trains?Or aquariums?No one needs an aquarium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 What about those electric sheep? That might be even more important than these things called "themes" we discuss in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Does Howard Shore like steam trains?Or aquariums?No one needs an aquarium.Except for fish. They need an aquarium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Is it coincidence that the moment at the Grey Havens, when Bilbo says "I'm quite ready for another adventure" sounds similar to Bilbo's adventure theme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted May 13, 2015 Author Share Posted May 13, 2015 Probably not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 I always thought the Opening to The Adventure Begins from AUJ and Journey to the Grey Havens sounded similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 I thought it sounded somewhat like playing around Thorin/Erebor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 One of these days I'm going to find out what an arpeggio actually is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 I think it's some Italian dish. Probably something to do with pasta. Gnome in Plaid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Yeah I remember Doug mentioning it a while ago with those same words more or less.It should be Rivendell arpeggios and Dwarven pastrami, would make a lovely dish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 It's a lovely word, and I've no doubt it would taste just as good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 I think Doug also said there is no Burglar motif. Those instances you mention from AUJ are probably something else entirely, related to Gollum and in DoS and BotFA probably to Thranduil and Thorin perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 One of these days I'm going to find out what an arpeggio actually is.Music that goes up, down, up, down.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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