TWIN PEAKS

[Jurassic Shark 12,067]

I'm gonna miss Festivus...

[Thor 7,495]

Seinfeld, Schmeinfeld....for me, he will always be Arthur on King of Queens -- one of the greatest sit com characters of all time. Stiller sr. was one of my comedian favourites.

[Jurassic Shark 12,067]

Seinfeld >> King of Queens

[Thor 7,495]

As a series, perhaps (although I love both dearly). But in terms of Jerry Stiller characters, there is no competition. Arthur all the way! (his role in SEINFELD was so tiny to begin with).

[Koray Savas 2,251]

I mean Jerry Stiller was the same character in both shows. 

[mstrox 6,651]

 

[Thor 7,495]

8 hours ago, Koray Savas said:

I mean Jerry Stiller was the same character in both shows. 

 

More or less, yes, but he had far greater space and opportunity to do his schtick in KOQ. It's a more rounded character.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

Never watched King or Queen.

[Jurassic Shark 12,067]

Don't.

[Oomoog the Ecstatic 314]

Morning Norma. Cup of coffee.

 

 

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On 5/10/2020 at 12:19 PM, Koray Savas said:

I watched the video. It certainly makes sense of some things but I don’t like the general idea that it’s convinced of: that The Return is more or less a spite season for Lynch being forced to solve Laura Palmer’s murder, and that the entire series is one giant meta. 

 

I decided to finally watch the TP Explained 5 hour video(s). I think it makes perfect sense. Especially as it utilizes the scientific method for coming up with the best answer, knowing Lynch, it's a pretty darn good one. The video also becomes much more effective if you watch the whole thing. It wasn't implying The Return was a spite season. I believe the big ideas Lynch utilizes aren't personal, it's his hands-on work that's personal. So I think he was completing the whole vision with The Return, but that vision needed time to realize. It was almost pre-planned, a continuous observation.

 

I'd already seen all TP episodes, I thought for the last time, but the video has given interest in the show again.

 

[Bespin 8,480]

 

I'm into season 2, I laughed so much at the beginning of episode 1! LOL

 

Do you recommend me to watch the movie, after,  or to go directly to season 3?

[gkgyver 1,645]

On 5/14/2020 at 2:13 PM, PuhgreÞiviÞm said:

 

 

Yes please. TV needs some quality again badly. 

[Koray Savas 2,251]

42 minutes ago, Bespin said:

Do you recommend me to watch the movie, after,  or to go directly to season 3?

Watch Fire Walk With Me first. 

[Marian Schedenig 8,192]

1 hour ago, Koray Savas said:

Watch Fire Walk With Me first. 

 

Then rewatch S1 and S2. And then watch S3. :-p 

[Bespin 8,480]

2 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said:

 

Then rewatch S1 and S2. And then watch S3. :-p 

 

[Jay 37,352]

Definitely watch the Fire Walk With Me movie after finishing season 2. Just make sure you watch the actual movie, and not the deleted scenes compilation. That may sound obvious, but a prominent JWFanner actually did that, then came into this thread and complained that the movie was aimless :p

 

Anyways, The Rerun is almost more of a continuation of the movie than the original show. Certainly in tone, but also it references a ton of things specific to the movie. 

 

Oh, and don't expect the movie to be any good, it's actually pretty bad. But seeing it makes The Return better. 

[Romão 2,274]

Fire Walk with Me is brilliant. Incredible score too

[Marian Schedenig 8,192]

It also makes sense to watch the Missing Pieces after the film before starting S3, because the series references some things that were mostly cut from the film and feature more prominently in the deleted scenes assembly.

[Bespin 8,480]

I don't like deleted stuff. Losers watch deleted scenes.

[mstrox 6,651]

It’s not deleted scenes, it’s a film!  The Missing Pieces!

[Quintus 5,399]

In retrospect, I think Fire Walk With Me is more enjoyable than The Return. But really, I also think there's a lot of value in keeping the enigma of Laura Palmer (specifically her final night) just that. So I'd say an argument exists not to watch Fire Walk With Me at all.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

It's worth it just to see Laura's tits.

[Jay 37,352]

I kinda agree with Quint.

 

I think if you want to watch The Return, you should watch Fire Walk With Me before you do.

 

But if you don't want to watch The Return, then don't watch Fire Walk With Me either.  It does take away something from the magic of the original show.

[Bespin 8,480]

The TV series (3 seasons) is on Crave and the movie is on Netflix.

 

Irony of life.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

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One thing I wish they followed up on in The Return was Shelly's miraculous ability to make Gordon Cole hear her voice.

[Bespin 8,480]

I loved the first session, sleeped the 2nd session and the movie.

 

I will wait a bit before watching the sequel series.

 

Sleep Walk With Me.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

So much makes no sense whatsoever in The Return. It's great to show to your mates to make them all confused and frustrated.

[Pellaeon 593]

My wife and I just finished watching Seasons 1-2. A show so amazing it doesn’t care if I think it’s amazing.

[mstrox 6,651]

 

Over the last few weeks, pieces have been falling into place for a new David Lynch/Netflix project code-named Unrecorded Night or Wisteria.

 

If this is TP, it would jive with all the rumors and hints from cast of more Twin Peaks from last year, which certainly would have gotten slowed by the pandemic.  Either way, I’m excited to watch whatever it is Lynch will come up with.

 

Whatever it is, Mark Frost has indicated on Twitter that he’s not involved.  That doesn’t necessarily rule out TP for me, since Frost wasn’t involved with FWWM and I’m certain that The Return barely resembled whatever Frost saw when he was co-writing that project.

[Quintus 5,399]

Frost was sorely missed from The Return. 

[mstrox 6,651]

I definitely think if Frost had been involved beyond drafting the script, it would have felt more like Twin Peaks (1990-1991).  I loved The Return for what it was though.  Without Frost in any capacity, this could have the capacity to be an even uglier piece, like Lost Highway, Mulholland Drive, or Inland Empire.  Not a complaint, although at what point is it just worth it to throw away the Twin Peaks DNA and just yell a new story?

[Jay 37,352]

20 hours ago, mstrox said:

I’m certain that The Return barely resembled whatever Frost saw when he was co-writing that project.

 

How do we know this?

[mstrox 6,651]

We don't.  I said that instinctually, knowing Frost's work not just with Twin Peaks but elsewhere.

[Jay 37,352]

What other Frost works do you recommend?

[mstrox 6,651]

None really.  He's a journeyman writer/producer.  He's got an interest in the mystic/supernatural and conspiracy of late, but his storytelling instincts have always seemed very straightforward and procedural.  Turns out he was just the right guy to ground David Lynch back in the day, though - and he steered the ship without Lynch for large swaths of the original series, for better or worse.

[Quintus 5,399]

Basically all the best parts of the lore are down to Frost. Before that Twin Peaks was more of a crime investigation serial, albeit a bit of an offbeat one. 

[mstrox 6,651]

True - the Red Room dream in the pilot movie/third episode would be all Lynch, but the mythology that was built around it (the Lodges and their connection to the native culture, etc) are clearly Frost - which makes sense, as those stories came about while Lynch was checked out.

 

Here is a neat compilation of what a variety of Twin Peaks writers had to say about the very preliminary plans for season 3 (1991). 

 

http://www.dugpa.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3281&start=15#p60785

 

It would have resolved the Cooper storyline quickly, involving Sheriff Truman and Mike driving backwards through a field of corn and into the Black Lodge (??), and then faded to black, "ten years later," and basically rebooted everything with Cooper being the local pharmacist.  An interesting what-if, although I have to say that I am very happy that the series stopped when it did.  So much of my love for the series came from the exemplary Lynch finale episode, and the decades of theorizing and making sense of everything.

[Koray Savas 2,251]

I know Lynch has said himself that it’s hard to say who came up with what. The Return ended so wonderfully, I don’t think we need a continuation of Twin Peaks, especially since a lot of the original cast has passed away. 

[Thor 7,495]

True, but I still want to see what Sheriff Truman is up to. The absence of Ontkean was particularly felt -- and he's not even dead!

[Koray Savas 2,251]

1 minute ago, Thor said:

True, but I still want to see what Sheriff Truman is up to. The absence of Ontkean was particularly felt -- and he's not even dead!

If he wouldn’t come back for The Return, I can’t imagine he would for a new project. 

[Marian Schedenig 8,192]

They'd need yet another Sheriff Truman.

[Thor 7,495]

22 minutes ago, Koray Savas said:

If he wouldn’t come back for The Return, I can’t imagine he would for a new project. 

 

I know. Still miss him.

[mstrox 6,651]

I liked Forster as Truman 2 in The Return, but honestly, it didn't make a lot of sense.  Shoulda just made Hawk the sheriff - would have given him more to do.

 

I didn't even think about all the people (major role actors) we've lost since The Return filmed. 

 

Legacy characters:  Warren Frost (Doc Hayward), Miguel Ferrer (Albert), Catherine Coulson (Log Lady), Peggy Lipton (Norma), Harry Dean Stanton (Carl Rodd)

 

The Return additions:  Clark Middleton (Charlie/Audrey's husband), Robert Forster (Truman 2).

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

The Twin Peaks curse!

[bruce marshall 1,315]

I love the first ost!

The second one was awful. Sold it on EBAY.

JULIE CRUISE album is great also.

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