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On 8/13/2020 at 7:46 PM, Giftheck said:

Star Wars Holiday Special, now with 100% more time travel and LEGO.

 

100% more LEGO.

[Chen G. 3,949]

11 hours ago, Arpy said:

John Boyega speaks out about his character's sidelinining in the Sequel Trilogy.

 

To be completely fair, there was also a video interview that went along with this, where he's much more diplomatic:

 

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Star Wars is a platform that even gave me the ability to say that to you, to say: "I'm considering this and that." So I can't even put it past that. Its such an amazing, amazing opportunity.

 

I think his insinuation that the sidelining of his character (thus far very true) was due to racial bias is a bit out there. As the trilogy gradually went into overdrive, everything that could be left at the roadside was.

 

But now that this accusation of racism is out there and making headlines, it'll probably be the thing this sequel trilogy will be remembered for. Shame.

[Arpy 4,145]

Yeah, it might well be Boyega is conflating his views of racial injustice with the trajectory of his character. 

3 hours ago, Chen G. said:

 

To be completely fair, there was also a video interview that went along with this, where he's much more diplomatic:

 

 

I don't think his support for the filmmakers or any of his coworkers was ever anything but positive or in doubt.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

Kathleen Kennedy hates black people!

[Arpy 4,145]

To be honest, TFA did promise more for Finn's character going forward, only to be squandered by an inconsequential caper on a casino planet.

[Smaug The Iron 514]

17 minutes ago, Arpy said:

To be honest, TFA did promise more for Finn's character going forward, only to be squandered by an inconsequential caper on a casino planet.

And that casino planet gave Finn some nice character develompent so that Finn can stop runing from the First Order and fighting them instead. 

[Holko 9,525]

It would've all been fine if 9 didn't botch it all.

[Edmilson 7,437]

At the beginning of TLJ, Finn is still pretty much the same from the previous movie: running to escape the First Order.

 

Then, he goes to the casino planet and discovers the sad reality of the galaxy, on which a few profit from the war and the rest are enslaved. It's when he decided he will stop running and officially join the cause against the FO.

 

I'd say he had character development from the first to the second movie, only in the third they forgot to give him a satisfactory character arc.

[Not Mr. Big 4,639]

1 minute ago, Smaug the iron said:

And that casino planet gave Finn some nice character develompent so that Finn can stop runing from the First Order and fighting them instead. 

But he already kind of did that in TFA.  It just ends up feelings kind of like half an arc, like a supplemental arc to TFA

[Arpy 4,145]

 

4 minutes ago, Smaug the iron said:

And that casino planet gave Finn some nice character develompent so that Finn can stop runing from the First Order and fighting them instead. 

Not particularly, that was already confronted in TFA the moment he used the lightsaber on Takodana and Starkiller Base.

 

[Holko 9,525]

Still only because Rey was in direct danger.

[crocodile 8,011]

6 minutes ago, Not Mr. Big said:

But he already kind of did that in TFA.  It just ends up feelings kind of like half an arc, like a supplemental arc to TFA

Well, Finn in TFA isn't interested in joining the Resistance. He only cares about Rey. The betxt film starts right after so it is only logical they should make his storyline in the sequel address that.

 

Having said that, they did screw up Poe. He clearly becomes the leader by the end of TLJ when Leia says:

 

 

But then, he needs to learn how to lead in the third film too? 🤔

 

Karol

[Holko 9,525]

Yeah, in fact he deliberately lies to them and leads them into a suicide mission giving them false hope all because of a selfish goal, only saved by Han's improvisatory abilities.

[Not Mr. Big 4,639]

Just now, crocodile said:

Well, Finn in TFA isn't interested in joining the Resistance. He only cares about Rey. The betxt film starts right after so it is only logical they should make his storyline in the sequel address that.

 

Karol

They could have done more though.  And he didn't really need Rose to tell him that the First Order was bad, like he didn't already know himself

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

3 minutes ago, Not Mr. Big said:

They could have done more though.

 

[Smaug The Iron 514]

40 minutes ago, Arpy said:

Not particularly, that was already confronted in TFA the moment he used the lightsaber on Takodana and Starkiller Base.

But he only did it because of Rey. He did not go to Starkiller Base to save the Galaxy only to save Rey. If Rey hadn't been taken Finn would just run.

 

36 minutes ago, Not Mr. Big said:

And he didn't really need Rose to tell him that the First Order was bad, like he didn't already know himself

He already knew that they are bad. But Finn wanted torsdag run, Rose helped Finn to stop runing and to fight instead.

[Manakin Skywalker 4,892]

22 minutes ago, Smaug the iron said:

But he only did it because of Ray. He did not go to Starkiller Base to save the Galaxy only to save Ray. If Ray hadn't been taken Finn would just run.

 

Who's "Ray"?

 

[Smaug The Iron 514]

I have corrected my mistake 

[Chen G. 3,949]

Finn getting sidelined is definitely on The Last Jedi's hands, with The Rise of Skywalker unfortunately continuing the trend.

 

Yeah, I know at the end of The Force Awakens he is devoted to Rey rather than the Resistance per se, but since by the end of the film Rey is with the Resistance and all are against the First Order anyway, its just semantics. Plus, that may have been Johnson's intent, but it doesn't really come across very strongly in the film.

 

Furthermore, personal growth is fine, but the fact of the matter is Finn impacts very little on the plot. Since its Holdo who takes out Snoke's ship, Finn's attempt to get the ship to lose the Resistance's trail doesn't really matter. The only difference Finn being there makes is that he is there to dispatch Phasma, which could have made to happen in a million other ways.

[Smaug The Iron 514]

11 minutes ago, Chen G. said:

Furthermore, personal growth is fine, but the fact of the matter is Finn impacts very little on the plot. Since its Holdo who takes out Snoke's ship, Finn's attempt to get the ship to lose the Resistance's trail doesn't really matter. The only difference Finn being there makes is that he is there to dispatch Phasma, which could have made to happen in a million other ways

Not true. If Finn and Rose had not go to Canto Bight they wouldn't have meet DJ. DJ is the one who tells the First Order that the Resistance is fleeing to Crait. It is thanks to Finn and Rose that the Battle of Crait happend.

[Chen G. 3,949]

Just now, Smaug the iron said:

DJ is the one who tells the First Order that the Resistance is fleeing to Crait.

 

I don't recall that being the case.

[Giftheck 916]

1 minute ago, Chen G. said:

 

I don't recall that being the case.

 

Correct: he only knew what Poe told them: that the transports are being fuelled to abandon ship. Poe didn't know about Crait at the time, so DJ didn't.

[Smaug The Iron 514]

1 minute ago, Giftheck said:

 

Correct: he only knew what Poe told them: that the transports are being fuelled to abandon ship. Poe didn't know about Crait at the time, so DJ didn't.

The point still stands. If DJ never told the First Order about the ships they would never know that the Resistance are escaping. 

[Chen G. 3,949]

How would they NOT know?

 

The fleeing vessels are even visible to the naked eye from Snoke's chambers.

[Holko 9,525]

Because they only started scanning for them once DJ told them to.

[Chen G. 3,949]

Its pretty weak plotting and you know it.

[Smaug The Iron 514]

No its not 

And to quote Leia 

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Holdo knew the First Order was tracking our big ship. They're not monitoring for little transports.

 

[Chen G. 3,949]

Been skimming through the movie.

 

Had Finn actually been allowed to give his life for the cause, it might have been in better service to his character. Just like had the Jedi order ended, it would have been a better ending.

 

But the movie doesn't really take risks, it just makes one think it does.

[Giftheck 916]

2 minutes ago, Chen G. said:

Been skimming through the movie.

 

Had Finn actually been allowed to give his life for the cause, it might have been in better service to his character.

 

He was committing suicide pointlessly since his craft was disintegrating long before it even reached the cannon. I'm not sure how that would have been in better service to his character.

[Chen G. 3,949]

Its an ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY. It could have been written such that Finn's run would have been succesfull, and it would have been a better movie for it.

[blondheim 1,157]

It would have have been a tough act to follow after Holdo.

[Arpy 4,145]

It would've been better if Rose sacrificed herself and POE saved Finn from an unnecessary sacrifice, continuing on with their relationship established in TFA. As Rose heads towards the canon, she holds the pendant.

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45 minutes ago, Arpy said:

It would've been better if Rose sacrificed herself and POE saved Finn from an unnecessary sacrifice, continuing on with their relationship established in TFA. As Rose heads towards the canon, she holds the pendant.

 

I agree with this, especially considering how useless her character was rendered by Abrams in TROS. That storyline went absolutely nowhere after TLJ and should've just ended in that film. It would have made a nice bookmark to her sister's sacrifice earlier in the film too.

[blondheim 1,157]

Yeah but it would have taken the punch out of the 'living is more of a middle finger to the Empire than dying' thing they had going on.

[Arpy 4,145]

Maybe it would be too soon killing her off in the same film she's introduced.

[gkgyver 1,645]

It would have been better if Rose, Finn, Poe, Leia, and Rey sacrificed themselves and ended the trilogy early. 

[crocodile 8,011]

Finn was wasted as a character, no question about that. He was very interesting to begin with and then it sort of went nowhere. The Last Jedi tried to progress his character but I agree in terms of plotting it was the weakest part of that film and had little or no impact on the whole. The less said about the third film the better. Had the "other deserters" storyline been explored maybe we would have had something at least.

 

Karol

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

who cares about these dumb sequel characters?

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

No one, really, except these creepy Gen Z nerds on Twitter and Insta insulting people who were alive when the original superior movies were released. 

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The storyline had so much potential. It's frankly baffling that after his little speech to Rey in the first film about not knowing his family, that he never bothered to find them or reunite with them in the two films that followed. Trevorrow's abandoned storyline for the third film actually made sense and completed that arc (creating an uprising among the young First Order recruits). Abrams is the worst offender by far, who gave him absolutely nothing to do in TROS (but hey, the cast were able to boast endlessly about how great it was to be reunited for the final film during their publicity tour, despite it having zero impact on the plot).

[Arpy 4,145]

Having the gang back together meant you don't have to write individual characters, just give them reactions.

[Chen G. 3,949]

2 hours ago, crumbs said:

Abrams is the worst offender by far, who gave him abosolutely nothing to do in TROS.

Most of the characters have absolutely nothing to do in that film.

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1 hour ago, Arpy said:

Having the gang back together meant you don't have to write individual characters, just give them reactions.

 

Basically this. It was just a convenient, lazy way for Abrams to avoid actually thinking about his plotting, and doing the least amount of work possible to create a shooting script.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

But I like seeing the mains together and interacting, rather than the old A-plot, B-plot routine.

[Arpy 4,145]

I was too, but there wasn't much they could do together because it was focused on Rey and Kylo. 

[Chen G. 3,949]

When your schedule is as crunched as The Rise of Skywalker's was, and when your movie is as breathlessly fast-paced as it was, there's only so much you can really focus on.

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2 hours ago, Chen G. said:

When your schedule is as crunched as The Rise of Skywalker's was, and when your movie is as breathlessly fast-paced as it was, there's only so much you can really focus on.

 

Time crunch? He was announced as director on 12 September, 2017 and didn't start shooting until August 1 the following year.

 

That turd of a movie was the best he could come up with in 11 months. I'll gladly defend the likes of Ron Howard or other directors who stepped in midway through production and had to salvage a sinking ship, but you have to be utterly incompetent if you can't write a half-decent, logical screenplay in the space of a year (especially for a franchise that has literally decades of established lore already behind it).

[Datameister 2,042]

6 hours ago, PuhgreÞiviÞm said:

who cares about these dumb sequel characters?

 

I cared about them plenty in TFA. The film itself may have been a rehash, but I was still very much interested to see the new characters' journeys continue. I saw potential, and I was fooled into thinking this was going somewhere. It was nice while it lasted, haha.

[Giftheck 916]

Yikes, I didn't think I'd see Twitter-level divison here. I'm out of this topic.

 

Peace out,

 

30-year-old Star Wars fan who likes the Sequels.

 

As you were.