#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Gary Oldman was crazy good in Hannibal.Apart from a short flashback, there is no way of knowing that is Oldman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,327 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 No, but he was crazy good anyway. BTW, who played this role?Wasn't that Oldman as well? Whoever it was, it was crazy good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,990 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Can't you say anything negative about Nolan?AlexNope because he's a deity and through him only we can achieve salvation!Seriously though, he knows shit about film music and often sacrifices character for the sake of structure. It gets in the way every now and then.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 No, but he was crazy good anyway. BTW, who played this role?Wasn't that Oldman as well? Whoever it was, it was crazy good!Edward Norton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,327 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Ah yes ... when he was still good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 He still is. Always thought he was more suited for his Death To Smoochy type characters. Glad Wes Anderson brought him into his group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,990 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Hey, if we try hard, our insults might end up here! Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,327 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 He still is. I so disagree. I've seen him sleepwalking on too many occasions. He's lost his edge.Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 It's the most thankless part in the film and he makes the most of it. Completely forgot about who's playing it.KarolOldman was great as Gordon, just as he's great in pretty much anything he plays.Franco is alright. Depends on the role he's playing. I find him a bit of limited actor, but he can be quite good (ex. 127 Hours). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,990 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Yeah! Take that, Cremers - you Nolanophobe!karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 I've seen him sleepwalking on too many occasions.Are you like his stalker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 It's the most thankless part in the film and he makes the most of it. Completely forgot about who's playing it.KarolOldman was great as Gordon, just as he's great in pretty much anything he plays.One of the few truly chameleon actors. He completely disappears into his roles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,327 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 You youngsters are far too easily impressed. Saying he's "great"' as Gordon is an insult to true greatness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 I agree, and I'm 21. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 It's the most thankless part in the film and he makes the most of it. Completely forgot about who's playing it.KarolOldman was great as Gordon, just as he's great in pretty much anything he plays.One of the few truly chameleon actors. He completely disappears into his roles.Indeed. Incredibly versatile. Hard to believe he's only gotten nominated once for the Oscar.You youngsters are too impressed way too easily. Saying he's "great"' as Gordon is an insult to true greatness.The point is that when I watch the Batman films, I don't see Gary Oldman. I see Commissioner Gordon. As has been said already, he disappears completely into that role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 For true Oldman greatness, watch SID AND NANCY, THE FIRM, PRICK UP YOUR EARS and WE THINK THE WORLD OF YOU, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 I haven't seen those films. I'll definitely check them out. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Beat The Devil is a great little short with him as the Devil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Thanks for the spoiler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Also, if you're a fan of Tim Roth, check out MADE IN BRITAIN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Oldman's Gordon is truly great. I do see him totally disappear into the role. Any bad attempts at humor, that is, not the dry stuff, are the fault of Goyer and not the Nolans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Because the Nolans have no sense of humour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Just imagine the video of Spacey's Luthor yelling "wrong" that I always post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,327 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Oldman's Gordon is truly great. I do see him totally disappear into the role.Any bad attempts at humor, that is, not the dry stuff, are the fault of Goyer and not the Nolans.How can it be "truly great" when the role itself is nothing to write home about or the humor it's trying to bring is embarrassing? Nolan agreed with the script so it's his fault as well. I must say, I'm really surprised about how impressed some of you are. I would have expected 'adequate' or 'passable' or even 'good' ... but "truly great"? Nah! You are only diminishing the power of the term by abusing it. Hard to believe he's only gotten nominated once for the Oscar.I guess the enlightened and honorable members of the academy are seeing it my way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Oldman shines as Gordon in The Dark Knight, and more specifically during the encounter with Harvey. Does the performance require a lot? Probably not, but what the character needs to be in the film and how the actor portrays it are two different things. Dixon Hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 How can it be truly great? The same reason you think it's not. It just worked for me, didn't for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,178 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Well, I loved BEING JOHN MALKOVICH and ETERNAL SUNHINE but hated SYNECHDOCHE NEW YORK. Maybe I should give it a shot? It's more on the Synecdoche side of things I guess, but I've only seen it once myself. I'm not convinced when I see Oldman as Gordon. I see Oldman with a hat trying to be Gordon but he never really becomes the character. I don't think I've ever seen Oldman in a role where I saw Oldman. He's always the character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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A24 4,327 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 How can it be truly great? The same reason you think it's not. It just worked for me, didn't for you.There's a difference between 'it worked for me' and 'truly great'. You're also ignoring what I've said. Is that the best you Nolan fans can do? Oldman shines as Gordon in The Dark KnightCome on! An actor can't shine with a poorly drawn character whose humor falls flat on its face.And what does that collage prove? Different appearances have nothing to do with becoming a character. Jeez!Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Come on! An actor can't shine with a poorly drawn character whose humor falls flat on its face.AlexArent you a staunch defender of Liam Neeson's Qui Gon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 How can it be truly great? The same reason you think it's not. It just worked for me, didn't for you.There's a difference between 'it worked for me' and 'truly great'. You're also ignoring what I've said. Is that the best you Nolan fans can do? I ignored what you said because I think Koray answered it well enough. And no, there is no difference! Your wrongness is embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,327 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Come on! An actor can't shine with a poorly drawn character whose humor falls flat on its face.AlexArent you a staunch defender of Liam Neeson's Qui Gon?Staunch defender is putting it strongly but he was the best thing about TPM, yes. IMHO, Gordon was one of the weakest characters of Batman Begins. What's your point?Alex - longing for a JWFan pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 As for the comedy?You dont like the line Oldman has when he sees the Batmobile?"I have got to get me one of these!"Hilarious! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 That's a dumb line. But does it really destroy the character? I don't think he's involved in anything else "humorous" in the trilogy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,327 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Embarrasing is more like it, Steef. Just like "I think he's kind of hot, sir" in MOS was embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Well you won't see me defending much about that film aside from its score. I'll leave that to Mr. Shark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,327 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Mr. Shark is right about David Goyer's inability to write humor (much to Koray's delight). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 For me, he's the only thing that brought the Nolan films down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 All this debate about Commissioner Gordon in Nolan's Batman? Jesus were really scraping by here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Truly. I usually don't stoop to such petty opinionated pissing contests.2015 is right around the bend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Mr. Shark is right about David Goyer's inability to write humor (much to Koray's delight).The humor has nothing to do with the character though. Those crappy Goyer lines are sprinkled all throughout. Whether it's the "He's flying on rooftops!" stuff from the cops or the "Nice ride" line from the hobo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Embarrasing is more like it, Steef. Just like "I think he's kind of hot, sir" in MOS was embarrassing.Like Lee said, it's just an innocent, warm-heated cap to an otherwise topical scene (Supes bringing down a drone). There's not much forced humour in MOS. Most of the humour that works comes from the deliberately campy/arch dialogue ("Unleash... the World Engine!") and some of the visuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,327 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Mr. Shark is right about David Goyer's inability to write humor (much to Koray's delight).The humor has nothing to do with the character though. It has everything to do with a character. You can't shine when you have crappy embarrassing lines. Oldman had nothing to work with. He may have done other things that might deserve superlative praise but Gordon isn't exactly one of them.Embarrasing is more like it, Steef. Just like "I think he's kind of hot, sir" in MOS was embarrassing.There's not much forced humour in MOS. That was the only attempt ... and it was crappy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Mr. Shark is right about David Goyer's inability to write humor (much to Koray's delight).The humor has nothing to do with the character though. It has everything to do with a character. You can't shine when you have crappy embarrassing lines. Oldman had nothing to work with. He may have done other things that might deserve superlative praise but Gordon isn't exactly one of them.But there are only like 3 of those lines in the whole film. Blame the writing, not the acting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Embarrasing is more like it, Steef. Just like "I think he's kind of hot, sir" in MOS was embarrassing.There's not much forced humour in MOS. That was the only attempt ... and it was crappy.That's about 300 less attempts than the Batman trilogy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,327 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 I guess they saw Gordon as comic relief material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 There's no hope for this one. crocodile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Gordon was comic-relief material? Since when?And Gordon may not be among Oldman's career highlights, but the fact is Oldman DOES disappear in that role, as is the case with most of what he plays. That's why I can appreciate him in these films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Yes I feel like that's what we've all been saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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