bruce marshall 1,315 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 Still can't believe the play placed " Krupke" after a death scene!😳 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 Even the BBC is guilty of that hackish clickbait reporting lately, elevating randomers outspoken 280 word reacts as if it means something big enough that I should care or be influenced by it. I dunno, bring back Bono having a view, I say. Tell me what Elton John thinks about it; not Shanice from New Jersey. If you're gonna be vocally outraged then you better at least have had a top ten hit under your belt, that's how it used to be in my day. Jacck and Naïve Old Fart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,516 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 Nowadays, I wouldn't believe a single word that the Big Bad C***s tell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,192 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 18 hours ago, Jay said: Huh. Never heard that term before That's not true! TheUlyssesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,353 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 Ha! It obviously didn't stick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,192 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 6 minutes ago, Jay said: Ha! It obviously didn't stick! 19 hours ago, Jay said: Trailer looks good. It's been a while since I saw the Wise version, but it looks like you could easily mistake that for the old film in the opening shots. From the dynamic camera moves, I can see why Spielberg was interested in this. The up-to-11 trailer rape of Bernstein's original music is disgusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 2 hours ago, publicist said: Judging by the cadillacs Spielberg didn't even bother to update the decade. I wonder what's next, a shot-for-shot remake of Lawrence of Arabia? Nah. Spielberg has always showed his envy to direct a musical and his love for West Side Story unlike Lawrence of Arabia. If we get a Lawrence of Arabia shot-for-shot remake it won't come from him (maybe Favreau though) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,436 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 Just now, May the Force be with You said: If we get a Lawrence of Arabia shot-for-shot remake it won't come from him (maybe Favreau though) Or maybe J.J. Abrams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 Just now, Edmilson said: Or maybe J.J. Abrams Nah there wouldn't be enough lens flare possibility... or would it? LenseFlare of Arabia... that's sounds good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 I don't know why anyone thinks one of the star's bad behaviour is going to impact this kind of movie. I doubt anyone cares, I never even heard of this kid before this film. In any event, it's going to billed as a Spielberg film first and foremost, like all Spielberg films that don't star Tom Cruise or Tom Hanks. And I think there was a good chance it was going to flop prior to COVID, and I don't think its chances have exactly improved over time. Who, exactly, is the market for this film? This is the kind of project only Steven Spielberg can get made. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,353 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 Just now, Nick1066 said: I never even heard of this kid before this film Oh man, check out Baby Driver! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted April 26, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Jay said: Oh man, check out Baby Driver! That was him? Oh wow, Kevin Spacey's in Baby Driver! Well that film is all kinds of problematic now, isn't it?! crumbs, Quintus and TSMefford 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Nick1066 said: I don't know why anyone thinks one of the star's bad behaviour is going to impact this kind of movie. Because in the last few years, tons of movies have tanked due to one star's bad behaviour? Like everything Kevin Spacey has touched... But I haven't seen any backlash for the trailer. Maybe the Elgort stuff will just be swept under the rug. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,353 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, KK said: tons of movies have tanked due to one star's bad behaviour? Define "tanked" and which movies are you referring to? Nick1Ø66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 8 minutes ago, KK said: Because in the last few years, tons of movies have tanked due to one star's bad behaviour? Like everything Kevin Spacey has touched... Tons? Setting aside Kevin Spacey for a moment (whose last big film was Baby Driver, which was a hit), which big movies have flopped in the past few years solely because the star's bad behaviour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,353 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 Even when it comes to Kevin Spacey, I think that Rebel In The Rye and Billionaire Boys Club made just about as much money as they would have if the news hadn't broke. And All The Money In The World probably made more money because of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 CHICAGO was a.big hit and OSCAR winner LALALAND was a hit ( I think?) and awards winner. MAMA MIA was a big office hit. Who is the audience, you ask?😗 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted April 26, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 26, 2021 5 minutes ago, bruce marshall said: CHICAGO was a.big hit and OSCAR winner LALALAND was a hit ( I think?) and awards winner. MAMA MIA was a big office hit. Who is the audience, you ask?😗 I started to write all the reasons I think those musicals are distinguished from a West Side Story remake, but I lost interest in the subject before I Jay, Holko, bruce marshall and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 19 minutes ago, Jay said: Even when it comes to Kevin Spacey, I think that Rebel In The Rye and Billionaire Boys Club made just about as much money as they would have if the news hadn't broke. And All The Money In The World probably made more money because of it. Fair. Though they clamoured to recast him. Tons is probably an exaggeration, yes. But I think Shia LaBeouf's accusations hurt Pieces of a Woman's awards momentum. Birth of a Nation also pretty much got squashed out of the conversation after its lead's behaviour. Those are some examples off the top of my head. I'm just saying, it's not at all improbable for an actor's behaviour to affect the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 From West Side Story to Birth of a Nation though, really?? Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 I just heard that Roman Polanskis last film about the Dreyfusd affair can't get released in the US or even purchased with subtitles!😵 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 But anyway, to further make a mockery of Ulysses 31's absolutely daft predictions, check out the literal first page of google's search result in relation to the term "Ansel Elgort": https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk00XpXZ8ywdkalpVaU5mCeak7tsF4A:1619474675144&q=Ansel+Elgort&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAONgFuLVT9c3NEw2STIzNzMzUuIBcY2SszOyTdLLtHh888syU0PyHZNL8osWsfI45hWn5ii45qTnF5XsYGUEABgAu0c_AAAA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjC1e-l9ZzwAhWpPOwKHU7ABMwQxA0wNHoECDcQBQ&biw=2048&bih=1010 As we can see, the most recent COLLECTIVE DISGUST post on the actor in question is dated from sometime in 2020. So, the search results algorithm didn't even bother to find anything so pressingly momentus and vital from... yesterday? But wait, what's this in the "Top Stories" part of the same page result, dated today (oh no!): WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT ANSEL ELGORT!!! Here's what Ulysses has been talking about then, it has to be! From the article: I like to be in America, particularly in this very moment in time where we are able to watch the teaser trailer for the West Side Story reboot 10 times back to back, a feat not possible when the original musical came out in 1957. The new West Side will feature actual Puerto Rican actors playing Puerto Rican arrivals on mainland USA, a casting choice that was largely overlooked when the film version was produced in 1961 but at least introduced the wider world to the national treasure that is Rita Moreno. Moreno, one of the few Puerto Ricans in the first film, will also be in the reboot, albeit not reprising her role of Anita. However, there is one small fly in the casting ointment, and that is with Ansel Elgort. Elgort will be playing the male lead of Tony, the white guy that crosses gang and ethnic lines to date Maria, played by newcomer Rachel Zegler. There is no denying that Elgort is conventionally attractive and that is great for him. But if we really look at the tragic story of Tony and Maria, it’s evident that being conventionally attractive just isn’t enough. After all, Maria betrayed her family, the Sharks, and the very island from whence she came all to be with Tony after seeing him a single time. Some would say this is love at first sight, but what is love without a little bit of lust? For any of this to make a lick of sense, even in the world of musicals, Tony has to be an absolute baja pantie, as we Nuyoricans would say. Did Hollywood suddenly run out of youngish white men who can sing, dance, act, all while looking incredibly handsome? Fuckin' LMAO Feminist website Jezebel.com literally doesn't give a fuck about any of the recent devastating and movie destroying news surrounding this actor, and is more concerned with his white pretty boy looks. GTFO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 Never heard of him until yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 Heard of who? Imagine the.uproar if they cast Danny Craig?!😅 " Tony.not blonde!" Michael Keaton would have been perfect! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 6 hours ago, KK said: Fair. Though they clamoured to recast him. Tons is probably an exaggeration, yes. But I think Shia LaBeouf's accusations hurt Pieces of a Woman's awards momentum. Birth of a Nation also pretty much got squashed out of the conversation after its lead's behaviour. Those are some examples off the top of my head. I'm just saying, it's not at all improbable for an actor's behaviour to affect the film. Birth of a Nation definitely got rail roaded. It is not a very good film, it is good though but it would have been up for several oscars had the controversy not happened. Incidentally it stars Armie Hammer. James Franco had a lock on an Oscar nom for Disaster Artist but was snubbed once allegations surfaced. People ask what's the loss. Well the fact that they had to chuck footage and reshoot all the money in the world is already a write down. Army of the Dead was ready in June 2020 but delayed a year because they had to replace an actor. Headline from Variety - Disney Bought Time for ‘Death on the Nile,’ but Armie Hammer Iceberg Is Ahead https://variety.com/2021/film/news/armie-hammer-scandal-death-on-the-nile-no-recast-reshoot-1234940346/ I am not endorsing either these people or condoning the media's behavior or anyone's behavior. I am just saying - it makes a difference. Only a fuckbrain would find that a controversial statement. It fucking making makes a difference if there is a controversial person associated with you movie. Why are people dropping Scott Rudin from movies? If it makes no difference? Because it does, silly! Apple essentially dumped its 2019 oscar contender The Banker because of allegations. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/06/business/media/apple-the-banker.html Why Apple Scrapped the Release of Its Oscar Contender, ‘The Banker’ Why does all of this happen if allegations don't matter? Again nobody's arguing if they SHOULD matter. But that they DO matter, is literally a fact and is the last hill someone should die on or have a meltdown over. TSMefford and Jay 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 So it matters to a few Twitter nuts, but their complaints are picked up by mainstream media as if they're quoting experts on the record and it's blown up to be a bigger deal than it really is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 Forget media or fans. It matters to the studios. It matters to the people that cut checks. It matters to the people that actually make and fund and greenlight movies. That should tell you all you need to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 What the hell happened that made Western society so puritanical again? So somebody fucks up in their lives and people are so relentlessly unforgiving towards them. Who the heck has a squeaky clean record anyway? Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 Again, I am not condoning or criticizing anything or anybody. Just bursting people's bubble who think - Oh none of this matters. It matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 14 minutes ago, Unlucky Bastard said: What the hell happened that made Western society so puritanical again? So somebody fucks up in their lives and people are so relentlessly unforgiving towards them. Who the heck has a squeaky clean record anyway? Life can be bright in America Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 6 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: Again, I am not condoning or criticizing anything or anybody. Just bursting people's bubble who think - Oh none of this matters. It matters. Does it, though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 It seems highly unlikely any of this will matter. There are so many sex scandals in Hollyweird but only a few have had any real consequences. There was a guy who likes to eat people and nobody cares anymore. It's just expected for all these people to be weird perverts. Weinstein was sacrificed because he got caught and was too well-connected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 @TheUlyssesian Don't forget that one Louis C.K. movie: https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/movie-news/louis-c-k-i-love-you-daddy-canceled-fx-ends-partnership-124646/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 Weinstein was a systemic abuser who operated over decades (like some others mentioned here), here we are talking one random Instagram accusation. I will still point out these fine distinctions just to keep myself sane. Jacck and Chen G. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,516 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 Here's a radical idea: why don't we go see the film in December, and make up our own minds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 About some actor gone astray? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 991 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 Sounds boring. I'll see it if the name of a famous comic book character is shoehorned in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 4 hours ago, TheUlyssesian said: Again, I am not condoning or criticizing anything or anybody. Just bursting people's bubble who think - Oh none of this matters. It matters. Yes it matters, but not to the extent that you seem feverishly convinced it does. But I suppose it might matter more if you continue to perform daily mattering rituals in an effort to will its matter into existence, like how you've apparently been intent on doing for the past twelve months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,067 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 Hey guys, we've got a common enemy here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 3 hours ago, Quintus said: Yes it matters, but not to the extent that you seem feverishly convinced it does. But I suppose it might matter more if you continue to perform daily mattering rituals in an effort to will its matter into existence, like how you've apparently been intent on doing for the past twelve months. I, an anonymous forum poster, on a moderately used forum, can cause something to matter for studios and producers and the film industry? Yeah, that's not how it works. For once, you might be overestimating me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 But why does it matter to them so much? Why are they over-estimating its impact? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted April 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 27, 2021 2 hours ago, TheUlyssesian said: I, an anonymous forum poster, on a moderately used forum, can cause something to matter for studios and producers and the film industry? Stop with the flattery. This forum aspires to become moderately used. Edmilson, HunterTech, TheUlyssesian and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 David Newman on the SCORE podcast gives some great insights on this. It’s worth checking out. Apparently JW was originally going to do it but then he asked DN. WampaRat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,353 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 Link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WampaRat 1,105 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 Here: The conversation about West Side about 61:43 Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 Interesting - So JW did have the first bite at the apple. He passed so that's why Newman got the gig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 I'm more excited to hear David Newman's take anyway. Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,310 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 Unless he's being modest, it sounds like he was more of a music supervisor than a music arranger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,353 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 More on Rita Moreno's role Quote Moreno portrays a new character, Valentina, who is Doc’s widow. (In the 1961 movie, Doc, played by Ned Glass, owns a candy store where the Sharks and the Jets hang out.) Valentina is a reworked and expanded version of the Doc character, and sings a rendition of the classic song “Somewhere” in the movie’s first trailer. In addition to the role, Spielberg also made Moreno an executive producer on the film. “I felt I had things to tell him about the other production and about Latinos,” Moreno says. “He really went to such lengths to make sure he got that right,” even hosting a town hall at the University of Puerto Rico in San Juan in late 2018, where he invited feedback from students, faculty and others before making the movie. “He said, ‘Tell us what you think about “West Side Story,” tell us what you think about us doing it again, tell us what you think about the original movie,’ “ Moreno says. https://chicago.suntimes.com/movies-and-tv/2021/6/21/22544159/rita-moreno-west-side-story-remake-original-anita-girl-decided-go-for-it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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