A24 4,331 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 8 hours ago, Bespin said: MARIAAAAAAAAAAAAA! MARIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! I loved that as a kid. That and America ... Which kid didn't, eh? Maybe it's because of my mother, she was a huge fan of the movie and the music, she even had the classical version with Kiri Te Kanawa and José Carreras (which I did not like). But the trailer doesn't scream 'personal stamp' to me, or at least, not an interesting stamp, nor am I eager to hear the songs again. Enough is enough ... Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 I just realized this project was first announced in 2014! Some funny posts on page 1 here On 05/03/2014 at 5:26 PM, Thor said: This won't happen, I'm sure of it. But Williams is a master arranger, so I'm sure he would have done a fine job with Bernstein's material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,310 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 On 06/03/2014 at 7:44 AM, mrbellamy said: Hopefully he's not stupid enough to go through with this. Well, I've got bad news for you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 22 hours ago, crumbs said: Montezuma was the last project I was genuinely excited about Spielberg doing. Naturally he abandoned it (wasn't Zaillian writing the script? What a waste!) The guy hasn't challenged himself since Munich. That was his last truly great film. I can appreciate the technical mastery of the films that followed but Munich was the last time it felt like he had something meaningful to say. Clearly the personal blowback he got for that film hurt him because he's refused to leave his comfort zone ever since. Other than War Horse, has he even left the US to shoot a movie since 2005? I absolutely agree. After all, Spielberg is kind of a coward. He could just do whatever he wants at this point in his career. So what is holding him back? Not to be able to make a living due to a financial and critical backlash? Come on. Jurassic Shark and Disco Stu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 12 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: I absolutely agree. After all, Spielberg is kind of a coward. He could just do whatever he wants at this point in his career. So what is holding him back? Not to be able to make a living due to a financial and critical backlash? Come on. Maybe he just wasn't feeling those projects? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 22, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 22, 2021 As always, these Spielberg conversations are so far from my experience I don't really find the discussion worth having, but they're also what every Spielberg thread becomes. I get tired of reading the same opinions from the same people. On that note, here's my oft-stated opinion I post every time: Lincoln and Bridge of Spies are great, inspired films with a lot to say to me personally. Also calling him a coward is some rank bullshit. Jurassic Shark, Not Mr. Big and Gurkensalat 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,310 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Brundlefly said: I absolutely agree. After all, Spielberg is kind of a coward. He could just do whatever he wants at this point in his career. So what is holding him back? Not to be able to make a living due to a financial and critical backlash? Come on. He could be carving out an interesting new direction as a filmmaker, in the same way Scorsese has. He already evolved his approach in the 80s with his move towards serious dramatic works, but he's stuck in this rut of alternating between mediocre "popcorn" movies and Hallmark Channel-esque procedural dramas. He's really embraced Grandpa-Spielberg. He's surprisingly risk-averse for a guy with enough money to fund basically any project he could conceive. His films are still technically competent of course, but feel a bit soulless these days. On reflection, Shia was probably right with his comments after KOCS. Spielberg is less a filmmaker than he is a businessman now; a well-oiled conveyor belt with less of the art and improvisation that defined his earlier success. The more I've seen of Mangold's Indy, the happier I am that Spielberg walked away and handed the series to someone with more passion for the subject matter. Jurassic Shark and Brundlefly 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,357 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 28 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: I absolutely agree. After all, Spielberg is kind of a coward. He could just do whatever he wants at this point in his career. So what is holding him back? Not to be able to make a living due to a financial and critical backlash? Come on. I believe, that nothing is holding him back and he is exactly doing what he wants. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 Perhaps it is Crumbs who is stuck in a rut and should carve out an interesting new direction (preferably out of this thread). Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,067 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 After the specialty labels stopped shipping to Aussieland he's been gradually losing it. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 Just now, Jurassic Shark said: loosing it. losing it, not loosing it. Chewy and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,067 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 15 minutes ago, Jay said: losing it, not loosing it. Fixed before your OCD detected it. Dr. Rick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,310 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Perhaps it is Crumbs who is stuck in a rut and should carve out an interesting new direction (preferably out of this thread). What's with the rude comment? Am I not allowed to express my opinion here? I'm not insulting the guy, just posting my thoughts about his career over the last two decades (in the thread for his latest movie, which seems a logical place to discuss such a topic). At least I'm not insulting anyone with a different opinion. A24 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 Well I'm considering changing my username to Ad Hominem Stu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 Differences of opinion are welcome on JWFan, and the opinions being shared here are certainly relevant to the thread they're in. Personal attacks are not allowed under the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 Why is @Jurassic Shark, the guy that is not impressed by Dune, angry at my comment about Spielberg getting dull? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,067 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 I'm not angry, I'm just saying the film looks promising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 Just clicked into this thread for the first time in a while, saw the trailer, and my eyes glazed over a bit reading the rest. My opinions: trailer looks pretty good, The Fabelmans is still a dumb as shit name for a movie, and those of you who generally don’t enjoy musicals need to let joy and love wash over your hearts!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 I've tried watching musicals, over and over again, seen probably 10-20 of them. They're just not for me. And that's fine. mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,516 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, Jay said: I've tried watching musicals, over and over again, seen probably 10-20 of them. They're just not for me. And that's fine. 10 minutes ago, mstrox said: ...those of you who generally don’t enjoy musicals need to let joy and love wash over your hearts!! See, Jay? Yes, yes, to mstrox, you listen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 I have plenty of joy and love in my life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 But is it washing over your hearts? Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,067 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 He's got more than one heart? In that case he should have it checked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,192 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 5 hours ago, mstrox said: those of you who generally don’t enjoy musicals need to let joy and love wash over your hearts!! I liked Moana. I guess "fantasy adventure" sells the musical to me lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 I like that one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,516 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Jay said: I like that one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Corey Stoll Prepared for ‘West Side Story’ by Watching 1961 Original and Then Forgetting All About It Rachel Zegler & Ariana DeBose interview Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 Spielberg appears in this new video talking about the movie, and there's a shot of Dudamel conducting, and you can hear "America" also you can see the film has been rated pg13 for "some strong violence, strong language, thematic content, suggestive material, and brief smoking" I had no idea what the MPAA meant by "thematic content", turns out there's a wikipedia page for it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thematic_elements Bayesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,959 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 I'm quite excited for this. I'm really looking forward so a high quality recording of Bernstein's music. Guess it's a long shot to hope for and album with instrumental versions of the songs. Still think studios should release songs instrumental albums more often Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,067 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, JNHFan2000 said: I'm really looking forward so a high quality recording of Bernstein's music. There's already many high quality recordings of this music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,192 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, JNHFan2000 said: Guess it's a long shot to hope for and album with instrumental versions of the songs. Still think studios should release songs instrumental albums more often But that's not what was written. You'd have to rearrange the songs to work as non-songs. And to an extend Bernstein did that, there are plenty recordings of his Dances from West Side Story. 1 minute ago, Jurassic Shark said: There's already many high quality recordings of this music. Really, many? Of the musical? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,067 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,686 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Marian Schedenig said: But that's not what was written. You'd have to rearrange the songs to work as non-songs. And to an extend Bernstein did that, there are plenty recordings of his Dances from West Side Story. Unless I'm understanding wrongly, people wanting instrumental versions are not wanting some version with the vocals replaced by something else, but versions that are literally the same recording but with the vocals removed. I'd love to hear them more often. I think the demand shown in the various Disney Legacy threads shows the demand, come to think of it. The Toy Story songs work really well with Newman's vocals removed - a testament to his orchestrations. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,192 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 21 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: Unless I'm understanding wrongly, people wanting instrumental versions are not wanting some version with the vocals replaced by something else, but versions that are literally the same recording but with the vocals removed. I'd love to hear them more often. We have that on the Home Alone 2 expansion. It doesn't work. It's an interesting behind the scenes look at the instrumental part of the composition, but the orchestration gets thinner whenever the choir comes in, so the most prominent parts are strangely underpowered in the "instrumental" (rather: voice-less) edit. It's a testament to Williams' orchestrations that they treat the choir as part of a whole, and don't just paste it over a self-contained orchestral arrangement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,686 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 The issue of it being thinner when the choir comes in, I don't see as an issue at all actually. As you say, it's a window into the composition process. Either way, everyone wins if they're included, and individuals don't listen to the ones they don't like. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scallenger 483 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 On 23/09/2021 at 6:04 AM, Jay said: I've tried watching musicals, over and over again, seen probably 10-20 of them. They're just not for me. And that's fine. Then do I have the musical for YOU! It's essentially Invasion of the Body Snatchers as a musical comedy. But it's also a musical about a guy who doesn't like musicals! Because, it is called: Jay and Jurassic Shark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 Is it me or are the accents really cartoonish - even though they cast right? Were the actors directed to satirize their accents? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,286 Posted October 29, 2021 Author Share Posted October 29, 2021 That's actually a pretty cool poster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 Yes, it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,067 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 16 hours ago, TheUlyssesian said: Is it me or are the accents really cartoonish - even though they cast right? Were the actors directed to satirize their accents? Political post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 There's actually two new posters, they form a pair: Also, if anybody remembers the discussion about the old poster and how it only listed 7 producers, Spielberg, Kushner, and all the guys responsible for the original musical, this one adds a ton of new credits. Elgort gets top billing, with Zegler getting the "and introducing" credit - crazy to think she was 16 when Spielberg cast her, and 20 now But what's really bizarre to me is that David Newman isn't credited at all for his new arrangements of the underscore, only Dudamel gets a credit for conducting. Do the producers of this movie think Dudamel has more marketing value than Newman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,192 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 21 minutes ago, Jay said: But what's really bizarre to me is that David Newman isn't credited at all for her new arrangements of the underscore Has David Newman transitioned now? Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 Typo fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,310 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 48 minutes ago, Jay said: But what's really bizarre to me is that David Newman isn't credited at all for his new arrangements of the underscore, only Dudamel gets a credit for conducting. Do the producers of this movie think Dudamel has more marketing value than Newman? From memory Williams usually gets top billing after the cast on Spielberg posters, so I guess Dudamel takes his spot. Still, that sucks for Newman. I'm sure all this stuff is negotiated in advance but surely the arranger should be credited in addition to the conductor? Newman's workload would be so much more significant than Dudamel's on this project, surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,067 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 Didn't Spielberg want to stay close to the original musical arrangements? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 16 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Didn't Spielberg want to stay close to the original musical arrangements? The songs are certainly going to be the same arrangements as always, but the earlier reports was that David Newman was adapting the melodies of those songs for underscore cues to go between the songs, like what Williams did (and won an Oscar for), for Fiddler on the Roof 11 minutes ago, Kühni said: Why's Bernstein credited twice? Double the royalties? It's one credit for writing the music that's in this movie, and another credit for writing the music for the original play that the movie is based on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,192 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 Didn't Newman say that his role in this was rather minimal, because they didn't change much? I.e. more of an orchestrator job than "creative" arranging? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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