John Takis 206 Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 No Mancini, no Korngold, no Waxman, no Alfred Newman. The absence of Alex North in particular is embarassing if we're talking about importance to the direction of the art form. I mean, I don't wish to insult anyone in particular, but to suggest that the achievements of a few of these names are "more important" than his seems just objectively wrong. Sharkissimo and Joe Brausam 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Zimmer should also be higher.Shut it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Make me, you redheaded stooge! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Bring it, bitch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 KM in this thread is fucking hilarious. Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 The list is false! False I tell you! I too have a list but I will never share it with you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,465 Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 It's just a personal list of who THAT guy thinks is the 25 greatest. No more, no less and no need to get worked up about.However, if he had phrased his list as 'top 25 most influential' or something, we could indeed scrutinize it with a more objective mindset. Dixon Hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Also in terms of iconic status, Maurice Jarre and John Barry probably top Morricone tooThat's probably why Morricone tours the world playing to sold-out football stadiums at the moment. Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 John Barry does, too, but he's just a little hard to see and hear at the moment. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,738 Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Menken should be much lower. Joni Wiljami and Sharkissimo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Don't agree with this list, but I can see that this guy is aiming more at the film-goer audience than the film music fan niche.Having said that, the omission of North, Korngold and Rozsa discredits that theory too. Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Don't agree with this list, but I can see that this guy is aiming more at the film-goer audience than the film music fan niche.Having said that, the omission of North, Korngold and Rozsa discredits that theory too.'Casual film-goer' sounds right.It's just a personal list of who THAT guy thinks is the 25 greatest. Well, the article did say 'we.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,218 Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 But this isn't just any guy - he's one of the top authorities on film composers. At least, I assume he is, since his words from this blog have been incorporated directly into the Wikipedia articles for Delerue, Tiomkin, Ilayaraja and Legrand (at least). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,823 Posted March 19, 2014 Author Share Posted March 19, 2014 But this isn't just any guy - he's one of the top authorities on film composers. At least, I assume he is, since his words from this blog have been incorporated directly into the Wikipedia articles for Delerue, Tiomkin, Ilayaraja and Legrand (at least).What?Well, anyone can edit Wikipedia, so maybe he edited it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,218 Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Arrghh! I always forget to add the "Wink! Wink!" smiley... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mr. Brown 91 Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 No Poledouris? Or did I scan the list too quickly?Robert Rodriguez (composer for SPY KIDS and SPY KIDS 2: CITY OF LOST DREAMS) deserved to be in the top 5. I'm not sure why Herrmann's so far up there. All he ever did was music for PSYCHO and KILL BILL... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Robert Rodriguez (composer for SPY KIDS and SPY KIDS 2: CITY OF LOST DREAMS) deserved to be in the top 5. Did you also forget to add the "Wink! Wink!" smiley? You'll get to used to Brandon's sense of irony. Rivals Alan's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Brown 91 Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Robert Rodriguez (composer for SPY KIDS and SPY KIDS 2: CITY OF LOST DREAMS) deserved to be in the top 5.Did you also forget to add the "Wink! Wink!" smiley?No, but I did forget to add THE ADVENTURES OF SHARK BOY AND LAVA GIRL 3D in the parentheses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mr. Brown 91 Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 The list is interesting. In no way should it be taken seriously, for obvious reasons. I'm guessing the author, Mr. Brian White, has recently been introduced to film music or is taking a film history 101 course at college (which gives him the authority to rank film composers, of course). The entry for #9, Ilayaraja, is the most interesting choice. Mr. White clearly had no knowledge of that composer prior to writing the article, but thought he'd throw an Indian into the mix for a touch of class. Commendable. Nothing wrong with it. Good effort.It's also funny seeing Thomas Newman there, but Papa Newman didn't make the cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 The entry for #9, Ilayaraja, is the most interesting choice. Mr. White clearly had no knowledge of that composer prior to writing the article, but thought he'd throw an Indian into the mix for a touch of class. Commendable. Nothing wrong with it.Good effort.ha ha haaJOHN WILLIAMS GREATER THAN ILAYARAJA ??JOHN WILLIAMS is very very great .....and maybe 30 times above the others like hans zimmer , jerry goldsmith etc.....but in front of ilayaraja , he is no where.............i am big fan of John williams and ilayaraja.....and I got deep knowledge on both................and with that knowledge i am saying john williams musical output is nothing when compared to divine , creative and expressive music of ilayaraja.....JUST SAY U DONNO ILAYARAJA.....but without knowledge dont even think of ridiculing him....coz when u attain the knowledge u feel guilty ............ha h ahabut i wud agree ...with adam.....john williams compositions are presented with much sophisticated orchestra.....thats only output of musical notes .....its just like u r using sophisticated technology to play a tune whereas someone is creating music on hand made drums.....but see the compostions ...the ORIGINAL notes put on document ....dont compare coke and water......and if Ilayarajas heart touching notes are presented with symphonic orchestras ......then the fallen WTC will stand on its own ...ha ha haa......ilayarajas compositions are like part of nature......like a flower , like a honey bee hive, or child born....and if u talk about quantity .....the music stamena ......then if JW has scored 10 points then ilayaraja has scored some 2000 points....JOHN WILLIAMS IS SOPHISTICATES SUB SUB SUBSET OF ILAYARAAJAhttp://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=6161 Dixon Hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Brown 91 Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Sorry, I wasn't calling Ilayaraja a random Indian. I just meant that, judging by the list, Mr. White doesn't know too much about film music, and probably included Ilayaraja following a quick Google search. The blurb about him looks like it was copied and pasted from the back of a "Best Of" album. I took a look at that thread, Sharky. Nice to see the spotlight on him. I was aware of his music, but most people I know probably wouldn't know who the hell he is. Actually, I didn't even think he'd be popular enough for a "Greatest Film Composer" thread on a John Williams fan site.As they say... "you people seem to know your shit." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,823 Posted March 19, 2014 Author Share Posted March 19, 2014 Can't find any music score of him.The only thing I can find is these songs... edit: ok, i found one..................................(actually you can hear more in this channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6chucmJi9ixYBBIt53LqlQ/videos) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Korngold, Rosza, Alfred Newman and Alex North are missing? Hans Zimmer shouldnt be on the list IMO. Lion King and The Rock are his only memorable scores the rest just lacks the artistic qualities to survive the ages. It wasnt meant for that, also. Anyhow, 'greatness' wasnt defined in this list so anyway it is pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Typical! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Typical!You think his Dark Knight score, regardless of how popular and effective it might be, will be remembered in 50 years? Btw I do respect the man and his business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Yeah. Popularity and effectiveness tend to have that result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Yeah. Popularity and effectiveness tend to have that result.It is a prodcut of this time IMO. It is popular and effective now. Great themes on the other hand DO have that result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Just as, say, Vertigo was a product of its time, popular and effective then. And here we are talking about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 VERTIGO wasn't that popular in its day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Even better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 That's why I think popularity and effectiveness are no good indicator for how timeless a score will be. Artistical quality, and good themes are far better indicators. Vertigo doesnt get remembered because it was popular then, but because of its great orchestration and its musical craft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Yeah. Popularity and effectiveness tend to have that result.It is a prodcut of this time IMO. It is popular and effective now. Great themes on the other hand DO have that result.No problem then - Batman has a great theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 More of a motif. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 That's why I think opularity and effectiveness are no good indicator for how timeless a score will be. Artistical quality, and giood themes are far better indicators.Then how come Jerry's Medicine Man isn't much mentioned these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Because of the awful film it was associated with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Come on guys, I am talking about general tendencies.And yes Mr Shark's argument is true also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 The only general tendency I believe in is the general tendency of people to think they can predict general tendencies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 You're ridiculizing this discusssion.You cant deny Korngold has proven his timelessness already. His music gets recorded and performed by the greatest artists until today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Does Korngolds music still have any relevance today though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Certainly not to cheeky teenagers dieting on current blockbuster products. And don't you dare to deny it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Is that what you think I am? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 I've never pictured TGP as someone cheeky.Wait, no. I'm kidding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Is that what you think I am?You seem not overly well-informed about film and music history but cite current blockbusters and their scores suspiciously often. So i do the math and say you either are part of a demographic group under 25 or just ignorant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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