Jay 37,287 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Pictures from the scoring sessions!http://scoringsessions.com/news/292/Within, 2 new slate and cue names are revealed:1M05S The Hammond Lab Overture2M18S The Mosasaurus RhapsodySo now we know 1M1 Bury The Hatchling1M2...1M4A1M4B Welcome to Jurassic World (Composed by John Williams, adapted by Michael Giacchino, orchestrated by Peter Boyer)1M05S The Hammond Lab Overture (orchestrated by Mark Gasbarro)1M6-9 Does This Dino Make Jurassic Look Big? (orchestrated by Tim Simonec)1M7S It's A Small Jurassic World (orchestrated by Chad Seiter)1M10 As the Jurassic World Turns (orchestrated by Tim Simonec)...2M13 Glorified Petting Zoo (orchestrated by Tim Simonec)...2M18S The Mosasaurus Rhapsody (orchestrated by Mark Gasbarro)2M19-20 Indominus Wrecks...3M24-25 Come Hell Or High Slaughter...3M29S The Jimmy Fallon Serenade (Composed by Mick Giacchino, orchestrated by Jeff Kryka)...4M35-36 Insert Pavane for a Dead Apatasaurus...4M39a...5M435M43 ALT INS5M445M465M47a...6M60 ALT The Teeth Degree6M61 Our Rex is Bigger Than Yours (orchestated by Tim Simonec)...7M64 The Park Is Closed (orchestrated by Tim Simonec)Jurassic World Suite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 one day maybeone day(and then it suffers the JP3 curse where half the music was edited post sessions) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jay 37,287 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 The very end of the end credits stated"The Jimmy Fallon SerenadeSunrise O'er Jurassic WorldWritten by Mick Giacchino" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jay 37,287 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 I've only listened to the source cues once (i found them very boring) so I have no clue which ones were used in the film where. I'm sure some of them only appear partially and at a quiet volume.Anyways, I think more than one OST track contains multiple cue together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curlytoot 97 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Theme From Jurassic Park...18 Nine To Survival Job 2:20-2:33...Are you sure about this one? Because in that case, wouldn't "As the Jurassic World Turns" also contain the JP theme, at 1:43? It's the exact same musical material leading up to it, as well. Honestly, I think it's just a simple three-note motif hinting at the larger JP theme; not sure it warrants being classified as an actual appearance of the theme. Either way, if "Nine to Survival Job" is going to be listed, "As the Jurassic World Turns" should be, also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Well, as I said before, Giacchino's main theme uses bits of Williams theme in some grander passages. So yeah, it sort of counts.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curlytoot 97 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Yeah, my point—if anything—is that "As the Jurassic World Turns" should also be in that list for the main JP theme. If "Nine to Survival Job" fits the criteria, then so does that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 I agree.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Theme From Jurassic Park...18 Nine To Survival Job 2:20-2:33...Are you sure about this one? Because in that case, wouldn't "As the Jurassic World Turns" also contain the JP theme, at 1:43? It's the exact same musical material leading up to it, as well. Honestly, I think it's just a simple three-note motif hinting at the larger JP theme; not sure it warrants being classified as an actual appearance of the theme. Either way, if "Nine to Survival Job" is going to be listed, "As the Jurassic World Turns" should be, also.After seeing the film, I am positive that this instance in Nine To Survival Job is a deliberate quote of the JP theme; It plays as the T-Rex is about to roar, purposely ending early to not be drowned out by the roar sound effects.So therefore, sure, I think the 1:43 instance in As The Jurassic World Turns is deliberate, as well.~From the FSM thread: Did anyone notice Giacchino pays a wonderful homage to Williams Raiders motif from the Desert Chase sequence from RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK in the truck raptor chase sequence. It made me smile and perhaps the best homage to both Spielberg and Williams.Does anyone know what he's talking about?The music for the truck chase isn't on the OST, right? It would be between Love and the Time of Pterosauria and Chasing The Dragons if it was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Is the truck chase cue not Raptor Your Heart Out? I recognised its rendition of the main theme during the movieIs Chasing The Dragons the scene were Owen is riding his bike through the jungle with the raptors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Oh, right! I had some scenes mixed up in my head. Yea, that track is probably that scene!Anyways, there's nothing Desert Chase -ish in there, is there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max 141 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 EDIT: Sorry! By the time I typed this on my phone, my post was redundant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Theme From Jurassic Park...18 Nine To Survival Job 2:20-2:33...Are you sure about this one? Because in that case, wouldn't "As the Jurassic World Turns" also contain the JP theme, at 1:43? It's the exact same musical material leading up to it, as well. Honestly, I think it's just a simple three-note motif hinting at the larger JP theme; not sure it warrants being classified as an actual appearance of the theme. Either way, if "Nine to Survival Job" is going to be listed, "As the Jurassic World Turns" should be, also.After seeing the film, I am positive that this instance in Nine To Survival Job is a deliberate quote of the JP theme; It plays as the T-Rex is about to roar, purposely ending early to not be drowned out by the roar sound effects.So therefore, sure, I think the 1:43 instance in As The Jurassic World Turns is deliberate, as well.And 3:49, too. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Hmm I dunno about that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Hmm I dunno about thatHe does the same thing with the final two cues. He resolves his themes with a couple of notes of Williams' main theme. You listed those.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jay 37,287 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Yea yea - I already said I messed up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Oh and Williams' main theme also makes a cameo in The Park is Closed at 1:21. Again, same thing.It's interesting that Giacchino only does that four times on the album.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Damien F 1,742 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Oh, right! I had some scenes mixed up in my head. Yea, that track is probably that scene!Anyways, there's nothing Desert Chase -ish in there, is there?I was playing close attention to the score in the movie but didn't hear anything like that. There are a lot of Williams references in the score but they are all contained within the JP franchise. A nod to an Indy score seems a bit too random, especially when the only thing the two scenes have in common is a truck!I liked that haunting piano version of the JP theme when the kids enter the old visitor centre. Would have preferred that on the OST than all the source cues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Agreed! That's a big highlight of the unreleased music for sure!Oh and Williams' main theme also makes a cameo in The Park is Closed at 1:21. Again, same thing.OK, I'll buy that one.I'm not hearing what you hear at 3:49 of As The Jurassic World Turns, though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 So am I the only one who can hear it then?Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 I hear some notes that are similar to the Jurassic Park theme... but aren't the Jurassic Park theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 It's got a very similar "rhythm" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Anyways, I think more than one OST track contains multiple cue together. Well, of course, but this one is interesting, because it explains the disappearing Does This Dino Make Jurassic Look Big? track from the old tracklist. Could "Clearly His First Rodeo" OST track contain both "Clearly His First Rodeo" + "Glorified Petting Zoo"? Could "Costa Rican Standoff" contain both "Costa Rican Standoff" + "The Teeth Degree"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,133 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 At 2:06 in Raptor Your Heart Out, it does share similarities to a few moments in the Desert Chase sequence. I hear no direct quotes, but tiny moments at 1:57 and 2:06 do remind me heavily of Williamsisms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 True, but at most it would be Gia trying to emulate Williams and not a direct reference to The Desert Chase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 I hear no direct quotes, but tiny moments 2:06 do remind me heavily of Williamsisms.IMHO that bit sounds like a Giacchinoism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Yea, that's a stretch for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Anyways, I think more than one OST track contains multiple cue together. Well, of course, but this one is interesting, because it explains the disappearing Does This Dino Make Jurassic Look Big? track from the old tracklist.Could "Clearly His First Rodeo" OST track contain both "Clearly His First Rodeo" + "Glorified Petting Zoo"?Could "Costa Rican Standoff" contain both "Costa Rican Standoff" + "The Teeth Degree"?I'm almost certain Clearly His First Rodeo contains that petting zoo cue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Me too. The whole track switches tone halfway through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 yup, exactly. I adore his main theme so I remember it occurring during that petting zoo scene as per the latter half of "His First Rodeo"I was surprised to hear the statement of Williams' island theme start during some dialog scene. When listening to the OST, I expected it to start as a helicopter flies over a vista or some equally awe inspiring shot of Isla Nublar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Yeah, and fanfare also starts at the very strange moment.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 I didn't like that helicopter scene. The humor was very forced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,133 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 2:06 in Raptor Your Heart Out and 3:22 in this video? I know they're different riffs but maybe someone thought they heard a similarity in the way he had the brass rise. I guess I am reaching too far to find a similarity. I didn't notice anything myself.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FVdRfnLPypE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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crocodile 7,984 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 At one point it was randomly drowned under the sound effects, if I recall correctly. It was treated almost as a piece of source music.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,133 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 I was surprised to hear the statement of Williams' island theme start during some dialog scene. When listening to the OST, I expected it to start as a helicopter flies over a vista or some equally awe inspiring shot of Isla Nublar. Yeah, and fanfare also starts at the very strange moment. Indeed. The Williams' themes were oddly placed in those opening scenes (the Welcome To Jurassic World one also didn't work for me).I didn't like how Williams theme was continuing when the assistant was showing them their hotel room. Felt very wrong. Like sticking his Superman Theme in while Clark brushes his teeth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Damien F 1,742 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Funny you say that, I just read the following comment on an Irish film forum"When the [original] theme music started playing - the music that is so awe inspiring and wondrous in the original film that you knew something amazing was happening on screen - and the scene it was playing for was two kids on a train, then two kids walking down a hall, then two kids in a hotel room...then finally a long distance shot of a theme park...I was like..."Really?!"Not impressed."I have to agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crocodile 7,984 Posted June 12, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted June 12, 2015 Seems like only John Williams knows how to use John Williams themes. I am reminded of this Don Davis quote whenever I hear a failed/awkward take on material like this:Well, in that case, it was pretty daunting, because when you casually listen to John’s themes, they don't sound that complicated or unusual, but they are unusual, unusual in that they are unusually good! He got me all of his sketches from the first two Jurassic Park movies and I just started looking through them and I said to myself, "Jesus, what have I gotten myself into!?" <Laughs> There's such integrity in his music, and it's very subtle integrity, you know, just the integrity of the line. Every line that he has in there is so rich with potential harmonic information. So, I'm going through it and it's like, "Man, I don't know if I can hack this!"Karol indy4, curlytoot, Cerebral Cortex and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Amen!If anything, Jurassic World has increased my appreciation for Jurassic Park. Williams' theme, on the surface, seems rather simple, but there's such an air of refinement and harmonic sophistication that you can't help but appreciate. I guess without getting technical, everything just clicks. And that's probably because Williams so much time sketching and sculpting the right tune from it's melody right down to its cadences until he knows no other alternative would work as well. And that's more than can be said for any of the industry's current big composers. Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,133 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 I think JNH (My fanboyishness aside) can do similar things with his main themes. Signs for example is a perfect example of how to craft a theme to its full potential. 3 notes manages to be utilised for an entire film, much like Williams Jaws. Also Dinosaur is basically in my eyes a masterpiece of melody and ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curlytoot 97 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 So am I the only one who can hear it then?KarolI know what you're talking about, but it's not quite the same. You'll note that 1:34 and 3:40 in "As the Jurassic World Turns" and 2:12 in "Nine to Survival Job" all begin the same chord progression buildup that occurs before the three-note JP theme reference.However, the buildup beginning at 3:40 in the former doesn't count, as the culminating three-note motif goes in a different direction. Where normally the lower, middle note would dip back up to form the JP motif, here at 3:49 it continues to descend. Does that make sense? You're right in hearing the same harmonic context between those spots, but one is not like the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 I know it's different but don't composer often bend lines like this?I mean, Dovchenko's theme from Kingdom of the Crystal Skull has a different shape almost every time it appears.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curlytoot 97 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 There's not much you can do with a three-note motif, though. I mean, how much can you change something so small before it's unrecognizable? If you change one note in a three-note theme, it's already a third different. That's a pretty good amount. I would bet you that if the preceding same chord progression buildup wasn't there (which let's not forget is not part of the JP theme), and those three notes were out of context, you would not hear those three descending notes and all of a sudden think that it's a JP reference. I mean, if that were a JP reference, one could go so far as to say that even Giacchino's main theme is a "variation" as well, because it is an ascending set of three notes, the converse of this descending set that's heard at 3:49.On the other hand, if it was the entire JP theme we were talking about here, and Giacchino simply changed a couple notes to spice things up, then I'd say it was a variation. But in this instance, the downward notes actually act as a pickup into a new melodic section. Listen to it starting right there, without the preceding chord progression, and you may hear what I mean. But I think it's a bit of a stretch to hear three downward notes and somehow associate that with the JP theme. Just my two cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 I can understand all you're saying, mate. And, on a purely technical level, you're right. I can hear that it's not the same. But let's not forget that Giacchino is doing a Jurassic Park score and in different cues he quotes first three notes of WIlliams theme at the exacy same spot (three other instances, to be exact). It's not inconceivable that this altered motif is also a reference to a specific theme. After all, the entire theme by Giacchino represent an extension of John Hammonds dream, doesn't it? Thus, an extension of John Williams' legacy. Seems quite logical and probable to me. And hey, he alters the ending of Lost World theme, too! It's not exactly the same as Williams! And yes, I know it's a longer idea. Slightly. And, shock horror, he does the same with JP fanfare in Costa Rican Standoff!Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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