publicist 4,643 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 I don't know, apart from KM most people here seem to have rather eclectic tastes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 It's the kind of score probably wasn't as appreciated back then in the context of Williams' body of work.But many of us became fans while he was already tackling more serious projects.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,333 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 I don't know, apart from KM most people here seem to have rather eclectic tastes. You and KM (even though you both have your own personal reasons) are honest and frank about it, but notice the silence of the rest of the posters (the Guest2s, the Steefs, the Blumenkohls, ...). It's always the same little bunch who express their love for this particular score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 You say it like there's no more hope for me.Nah. We just look/listen to this music with different preferences neither of which is better or worse in the end. Just the difference of tastes in this regard. We all do enjoy the music though which is important.Not all of us, Incanus! Far from it! To most JWfans, the music is too somber and dreary, or as they say it, a "disappointment", not worthy of the composer who wrote those famous and beloved blockbuster themes.I really have to watch my wording with you. I didn't mean the whole collective JWFan of course but those who have been vocal about liking this score in particular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 No, we hate it! It's just hip to say we like it.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Too late! You cannot unlike what you have liked! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Ah the package finally arrived! I am delving into the brilliant liner notes and the even more brilliant music. The unreleased music adds to the experience powerfully in my opinion, filling certain narrative holes. The Alone at Home and The Empty Swimming Pool are wonderfully eerie, forlorn and perfectly capture the ghostly unreal atmosphere of Jim's loneliness. So far so great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted July 1, 2014 Author Share Posted July 1, 2014 Yea, Alone At Home and The Empty Swimming Pool are quite spooky and unsettling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Mike Matessino has really done all around wonderful and pitch perfect work with this presentation. The liner notes are both highly informative and thoughtful. Jim Titus' art direction is top notch. Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted July 1, 2014 Author Share Posted July 1, 2014 Agreed with all counts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Listening to it after not listening to the OST for a very long time.I think in my bombastic youth, i did not care for this score much (though Exultate justi is one of my favourite tracks and a regular in my playlist). And in recent years i had not listened to the OST at all. Part of it is that i dont like to listen to uncomplete score sometimes...But listening to it now, it is amazing to rediscover the 100% williamsness of this score. I appreciate more this score, now that my tastes in Williams output is wider, and some of my favourites are among his less expectacular works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted July 1, 2014 Author Share Posted July 1, 2014 Good to hear!I actually never heard the score AT ALL until about 1-2 years ago (never owned the OST until then!), and never saw the movie until a couple months ago.So this is all kind of like a "new" Williams score to me, and it's wonderful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 It's definitely one of my favorites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted July 1, 2014 Author Share Posted July 1, 2014 You will definitely like the new release, then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 I do, I got it last Thursday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Just love this. Incanus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Just got mine today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 My own review of this album, if anyone's interested. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mahler3 478 Posted July 2, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted July 2, 2014 Thanks for posting the interview Jason / Ricard. Mike was a perfect guest and it was a joy to be able to weave the music in and out during the conversation. What a wonderful movie and score. Jay, Joni Wiljami, Incanus and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted July 2, 2014 Author Share Posted July 2, 2014 Tim your interview came out great, a real pleasure to listen to! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Always a pleasure listening to your features/interviews, Tim.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Your shows are always such a pleasure to listen to Tim and your enthusiasm and expertise is really appreciated by us fellow film music afficionados! My own review of this album, if anyone's interested. KarolExcellent review Karol. It is a curious score by all standards with its approach and eclecticism but somehow works beautifully. Matessino's essay in the liner notes shares my opinions to a large extent so it was not difficult to get behind it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Thank you, Mikko. Oh and Tim your recent two-part John Powell interview was absolutely fantastic. But that's also down to interviewee's (sometimes painfully) candid attitude.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Thank you, Mikko. Oh and Tim your recent two-part John Powell interview was absolutely fantastic. But that's also down to interviewee's (sometimes painfully) candid attitude.Karol Your observations on the connections to Williams' later scores was astute and I have made those myself. The unreleased music further enchances that image. JP, A.I., War of the Worlds and Memoirs of a Geisha all contain very similar elements as EotS and it comes more as a realization that the palette was already there in 1987 and didn't just appear in the recent years but was rather brought forth and embellished by the later scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted July 2, 2014 Author Share Posted July 2, 2014 Yea, I always thought that Ludlow's Demise riff that he used in tons of scores after TLW originated in TLW, until I heard othe EOTS OST. I guess I should call it the Streets of Shanghai riff now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Yea, I always thought that Ludlow's Demise riff that he used in tons of scores after TLW originated in TLW, until I heard othe EOTS OST. I guess I should call it the Streets of Shanghai riff now Interesting observation. I have to say I am almost deaf to this ostinato thingy. Where can it be found in The Streets of Shanghai? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted July 2, 2014 Author Share Posted July 2, 2014 Well to be clear, I'm talking about the riff from 1:35-1:50 of "Ludlow's Demise", which is similar to some stuff in 3:01-end "The Streets of Shanghai". Listening to that on Spotify now it's not as similar as I thought, maybe the alternate on disc 2 is more like it?The TLW version also turns up in the Quidditch music from HP 2 (and maybe 1 as well?), and other places (Minority Report and Attack of the Clones I think) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Well to be clear, I'm talking about the riff from 1:35-1:50 of "Ludlow's Demise", which is similar to some stuff in 3:01-end "The Streets of Shanghai". Listening to that on Spotify now it's not as similar as I thought, maybe the alternate on disc 2 is more like it?The TLW version also turns up in the Quidditch music from HP 2 (and maybe 1 as well?), and other places (Minority Report and Attack of the Clones I think)Ah yes I recognize the other examples better but this stuff begins indeed to surface a bit in EotS as well. Very interesting. It is obviously in the way Williams generates the feel of kinetic energy and propulsion, the cyclical repeating ostinati figures.The music from the eerie opening tracks Alone at Home and The Empty Swimming Pool do now strongly remind me of the same cold Dies Irae like progressions as Dakota Fanning's character sees the dead people floating down the river and this material appears elsewhere in the score if I remember correctly. These figures appear quite a lot in Williams's music throughout 90's from JP to Sleepers in varying dynamics and a good example from the noughties are the Prequels where Anakin's motif is basically a development of this idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 The very opening of The Return to the City alternate on disc two.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted July 2, 2014 Author Share Posted July 2, 2014 The very opening of The Return to the City alternate on disc two. Karol What about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 The very opening of The Return to the City alternate on disc two.KarolThe fugue there is indeed very much akin to the Epilogue material from WotW in form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 What about it?What Inky said.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 God, I love this album more and more with each listen. It's strikes just the right balance between warm, dark, mysterious and elusive.Karol Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted July 2, 2014 Author Share Posted July 2, 2014 Agreed. I find myself wanting to listen to it again over something from the pile of haven't-listened-to-yet CDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 And some of the alternates are really interesting, especially The Return to the City one.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uni 306 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 I've been wondering . . . maybe, in the same way most people weren't ready for Spielberg to shift into adult gear in 1987, a lot of scorepihiles (including loyal JW fans) weren't ready to go there yet with Johnny. I wonder if his later scores, particularly Schindler's List and Saving Private Ryan, have now brought people into the headspace necessary to recognize EOTS as a bona fide masterpiece.Just idle speculation; for me, this score has always been a masterpiece. Joni Wiljami and Joe Brausam 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Musically i'm not interested in the parts of the score that elicit so much excitement - i. e. BRINGING THEM BACK. It's not very interesting awe-and-wonder music. Whenever Williams tries something new like the ghostly insertion of Mozart in LOST IN THE CROWDS or the moody versions of RETURN TO THE CITY (which really is the march to the new camp and has that same ethereal quality) or the now-familiar EXSULTATE the score is potentially brilliant but finally too cluttered for me. This of course makes it a dead ringer for A. I., another stylistically uneven score and uneven movie (though much worse than EOTS, maybe due to my simple perception). For both scores, i would dream of JW assembling a Sony cd like the Spielberg/Williams album with newly arranged concert pieces that might play a bit better than in its current form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Here's the highlightsBringing them BackThe Plane alternateReturn to the City AlternateThe Plane Alt. is amazing, it's similar to Cadillac of the Skies on the Spielberg Collaboration c.d. but performed a lot betterReturn of the City Alt does sound like Star Wars music, especially the Tatooine stuff in Attack of the Clones (Shmi's Funeral and stuff) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Return of the City Alt does sound like Star Wars music, especially the Tatooine stuff in Attack of the Clones (Shmi's Funeral and stuff)No... it sounds like "stored memories" from AI... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 No it sounds like Epilogue from WOTW. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 I thought you'd still be able to get your order in even though it's temporarily out of stock, and they would just ship when ready. That doesn't appear to be the case. Looks like I will have to wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 why is out of stock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted July 4, 2014 Author Share Posted July 4, 2014 why is out of stock?Well, that was quick!The first batch of 2000 Empire cds are now gone! The cd is TEMPORARILY out of stock. If you placed an order you will be receiving your copy.We expect more to come in by July 15, if not sooner. I will keep y'all posted.Have a great weekend!MV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,333 Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 Is it normal for such a release to sell out that fast? If not, it appears the CD and film are more popular outside the realm of JWfan. Who knew, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 I think 1500 to 2000 may always sell fast on titles by Williams or Goldsmith, it's the remaining batch that often sits on the shelf for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 I've received this in the meantime, together with an autographed Addams Family CD, and it's an absolutely splendid release. It must have one of the best and most surprising extras album on any expanded Williams release ever to boot.Thanks also to Mike Matessino for providing the cue list numbers and original manuscript titles on the JWFan main page! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,333 Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Nobody has commented on the sound yet. This Matessino fella, was he the guy that remastered that Indiana Jones box? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 No! How dare you put his name and Indy box in one sentence?Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,333 Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Ah, okay. Good for you, guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Why don't you at least give it a listen? It's a surprisingly strong listen. Plus, it does contain some interesting unused material.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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