Incanus 5,714 Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 And all this based on 1 minute clip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 i expect more of the same with the other alternates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 Yes, Williams misunderstood the film and thought he scored The Adventures Of Short Round In Shanghai. Is this the first time and only time Spielberg had to ask Williams to rewrite the whole damn thing?And all this based on 1 minute clip.Yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,191 Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 I haven't listened to it (I will when I get the CD), but: I don't like that clip at all. It has nothing to do with the film. I'm going to say away from this release as far as possible since the OST is perfect as it is. What's that got to do with anything? The supposedly better fitted version was used in the film. It's available on the old release and the new one. Plus we also get, apparently, a shitload of new music. How is the new music required to fit the film in any way? If it's great music, it's great music, and if it's great but unfitting music, we should be especially happy that we get to hear it at all. indy4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 I haven't listened to it (I will when I get the CD), but:I don't like that clip at all. It has nothing to do with the film. I'm going to say away from this release as far as possible since the OST is perfect as it is.What's that got to do with anything? The supposedly better fitted version was used in the film. It's available on the old release and the new one. Plus we also get, apparently, a shitload of new music. How is the new music required to fit the film in any way? If it's great music, it's great music, and if it's great but unfitting music, we should be especially happy that we get to hear it at all.Alex has a truly Thorifying attitude! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 Like I said, I guess I am too (emotionally) attached to the original music (and film) to listen to a completely different approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 Like I said, I guess I am too (emotionally) attached to the original music (and film) to listen to a completely different approach. But are you still interested in the complete original score on disc 1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 Alex? Emotionally attached?Improbable. Koray Savas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 Yes, Williams misunderstood the film and thought he scored The Adventures Of Short Round In Shanghai.Oh come off it. It's far from playful. It's still a tortured lament, just somewhat less dark than the final version of the cue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 Like I said, I guess I am too (emotionally) attached to the original music (and film) to listen to a completely different approach. But are you still interested in the complete original score on disc 1?The journey is perfect as it is.Yes, Williams misunderstood the film and thought he scored The Adventures Of Short Round In Shanghai.Oh come off it. It's far from playful. It's still a tortured lament, just somewhat less dark than the final version of the cue.I mean in 'overstating' it. Spielberg's exaggerated, 'more, more, MORE' approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 I mean in 'overstating' it. Spielberg's exaggerated, 'more, more, MORE' approach.I could play devil's advocate and argue that Cadillac of the Skies is overstated, but works dramatically because of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 Yes, but that's the apotheosis of the film, namely Jamie living his last moments of childhood, and thus it was quite appropriate at this point. But to argue (which is what you are doing) that the whole score should've been like that ... well, I guess it doesn't come as a suprise ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 But to argue (which is what you are doing) that the whole score should've been like that ... well, I guess it doesn't come as a suprise ... Erm, no I'm not. I'm just saying your revulsion at the original The Return to the City is more than a little OTT. Yes, it's misjudged, but it's not the clusterfuck akin to needle dropping Training Montage from SPACECAMP into the love making scene from MUNICH, that you're making it out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 I don't see a breathtaking difference apart from it being much broader orchestrated and more string-heavy. But it's essentially the same musical content. Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Williams is a failure. I can't believe I ever liked this composer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 I will stick with the album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I'll buy the new one but only because i couldn't find the old one after my last move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I'll buy the new one but only because i couldn't find the old one after my last move.Explanations! Order the OST from Amazon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Yeah, no exuses, get the OST! And much cheaper too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 And it leaves more of the expanded bottle caps for real zealots! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I'll buy the new one but only because i couldn't find the old one after my last move.Nah, you're just a closeted expandist! Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I'll buy the new one but only because i couldn't find the old one after my last move.Nah, you're just a closeted expandist! KarolYes, methinks the pub doth protest too much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I'll buy the expanded, period! The old Warner's cover isn't to my liking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted June 24, 2014 Author Share Posted June 24, 2014 EMPIRE OF THE SUN: LIMITED EDITION (2-CD SET) LLLCD 1300 Music by John Williams Limited Edition of 4000 Units STARTS SHIPPING JUNE 24 RETAIL PRICE: $29.98 ORDER “EMPIRE OF THE SUN: LIMITED EDITION (2-CD SET)” on 6/24 starting at 12pm (PST) at www.lalalandrecords.com La-La Land Records, WEA and Warner Bros. proudly present the remastered and expanded, limited edition 2-CD set of John Williams’ Academy Award Nominated original score to the 1987 feature film EMPIRE OF THE SUN, directed by Steven Spielberg and starring Christian Bale, John Malkovich and Miranda Richardson. Heralded as one of the acclaimed composer’s finest works, Mr. Williams’ masterful orchestral score seeks no less than the openness of the human heart, mind and soul – the perfect compliment to this powerful and indelible film about a young English boy’s emotional and physical struggle to survive the Japanese occupation of China during WWII. This deluxe re-issue was produced, assembled and mastered by Mike Matessino in cooperation with John Williams, Steven Spielberg and the film’s co-producers Kathleen Kennedy and Frank Marshall. Disc 1 contains a full presentation of the film score, including never-before-released music, while Disc 2 pulls back the veil of the creative process with a selection of alternate cues and other additional music. A 28-page CD booklet features handsome art design by Jim Titus and Matessino’s exclusive, in-depth essay, approved by the director and composer. EMPIRE OF THE SUN (2-CD SET) is a limited edition release of 4000 units. TRACK LISTING: DISC ONE The Film Score 1 Suo Gân (extended version)** 3:29 Performed by The Ambrosian Junior Choir Directed by John McCarthy Soloist: James Rainbird 2 Home and Hearth** 3:50 3 Trip Through the Crowd 2:33 4 Imaginary Air Battle 2:38 5 Japanese Infantry* 3:00 6 Lost in the Crowd 5:44 7 Alone at Home* 2:43 8 The Empty Swimming Pool* 3:14 9 The Streets of Shanghai 5:15 10 The Plane 3:15 11 Jim’s New Life 2:34 12 The Pheasant Hunt 4:28 13 The British Grenadiers (traditional) 2:29 14 Cadillac of the Skies 3:53 15 Mrs. Victor and James* 2:11 16 The Return to the City 7:50 17 Seeing the Bomb** 4:48 18 Bringing Them Back* 2:41 19 Liberation: Exsultate Justi 1:53 20 Suo Gân 2:23 Performed by The Ambrosian Junior Choir Directed by John McCarthy Soloist: James Rainbird 21 Exsultate Justi (extended version)** 5:14 Disc 1 Total Time: 76:05 Disc 2: Additional Music 1 Chopin: Mazurka, Op. 17 No. 4 (excerpt)* 2:14 2 Imaginary Air Battle (alternate)* 2:41 3 Alone at*ome (alternate)* 2: 40 4 The Streets of Shanghai (film version segment)* 1:18 5 The Streets of Shanghai(alternate segment)* 2:17 6 Chopin Again* 1:19 7 The Plane (alternate)* 3:05 8 Cadillac of the Skies (alternate)* 3:51 9 The Return to the City (alternate)* 7:50 10 Exsultate Justi 5:09 Disc 2 Total Time: 32:24 Total 2-CD Time 108:29 * Previously Unreleased ** Contains Previously Unreleased Music http://secure.campaigner.com/Campaigner/Public/t.show?6sr4g--3mrly-ag4f6q1&_v=2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 No Tangerine Dream then...Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 No Tangerine Dream then...KarolWhat?!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Tangerine Dream's Exsultate Justi, I meant. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 I may be slow but I still don't get your witticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Have i ever mentioned how i hate these endless months-in-advance LLL announcements of sale-coming-soon-announcements before i finally can press the fucking order button at my local merchant? it is annoying and should be stopped immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 The OST is available now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Cover looks shitty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 It's designed for a larger format.In case you are wondering, yes, it's from my private collection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 I have that LP, too. The big cover with the fence would have looked even more spectacular on the old LP. But WB had a terrible house designer in those days, WoE looks as shitty:Though this one looks great:And this one...NOT!!! (also WEA) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 I don't like the Witches cover but why you think the two are alike is a baffling mystery to me. Empire is nicely stylized and could even work as a film logo. The Witches is just collage kitsch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Because it's obviously the same design scheme: take the poster, miniaturize it, put it in a box and add a background, ither stylized or white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 I may be slow but I still don't get your witticism.When the announcement picture was first released Uni "misread" the track listing.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 I too have all those on my "private" collection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 I too have all those on my "private" collection Oooh that sounds exclusive and fancy. I too have a "private collection".It will be the usual 10 pm vigil for the LLL website to update and then a feverish filling of the order form tonight. I hope their shipping is its usual self this time as well as I can't wait to hear this set! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 We all have but mine is, well, just a little more private. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 We all have but mine is, well, just a little more private.Intriguing, tell me more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted June 24, 2014 Author Share Posted June 24, 2014 I may be slow but I still don't get your witticism.http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=24469&p=1015151If you still don't see it, read my post two below it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 We all have but mine is, well, just a little more private.Intriguing, tell me more.It's ... private. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 The EOTS cover is quite stirring actually. Nothing wrong with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 I may be slow but I still don't get your witticism.http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=24469&p=1015151If you still don't see it, read my post two below it.Ah I get it! Very clever Karol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uni 306 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 The EOTS cover is quite stirring actually. Nothing wrong with it.I actually think the cover art (which is beautifully redone on the new release) is just about the best poster derived from Spielberg's movies. It sums up so much of the story and its themes—the boy who loves airplanes seeing the object he idolizes, not realizing the danger and horror incumbent in the reality before him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,826 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 I'll buy this from SAE* maybe with Penelope, since this is the last one of the still-in-print film score releases I don't have.*I don't see it there yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted June 24, 2014 Author Share Posted June 24, 2014 Well I think the new cover is great, as good as the other Jim Titus / John Williams / La-La Land covers(Including The Poseidon Adventure in the pic because it wasn't Jim Titus and shows how much better the covers have gotten since he was brought on board to do all their John Williams titles. No disrespect to whoever did The Poseidon Adventure, but Jim's work on all the others easily surpasses it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Yeah Titus has done excellent job. The new EOTS cover is particularly striking, much for the reasons Uni mentions above. It is closer to the DVD cover except for the font of the title and in this case black is a better choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uni 306 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 And I do love all the new covers too. Just to clarify, I was referring to the art of the movie's poster, not the CD cover per se. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 And I do love all the new covers too. Just to clarify, I was referring to the art of the movie's poster, not the CD cover per se.Ah right-o! It is a very effective and striking poster at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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