crumbs 14,308 Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 I got it straight away! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,308 Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Wonder if this means a reunion between the two characters? Probably just two units filming in the same location, but here's hoping! Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,285 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 On 12/27/2016 at 11:41 PM, Koray Savas said: No there doesn't. Years pass between 8 and 9 and she dies in between. Explain what happened in 9 and keep it moving. That could work, although I'm not sure if it would do the character justice. If they had Leia leaving 8 better than ever (I'm making a big assumption there though) then it would be abrupt and unsatisfying to suddenly add a tribute to her death in 9. Of course perhaps Leia's final scene in 8 (assuming she survives) is sentimental and a good send off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,285 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Ultimately it'll depend on the nature of where 8 was going to leave her character. Seems to me the most difficult situation for them would be if they've established Leia by the end of the film as a really strong presence with indications of a major narrative role in the finale. That would probably require some adjustment to 8, ideally only re-editing but possibly some level of re-writing/re-shooting. The idea of leaving you in suspense with her going off to find Kylo Ren or something, you can't just go "And then she died!" in the crawl. If the film was planned to leave Leia in some kind of mortal peril or if she was kind of a non-issue, then that's probably something they could more easily work around. It is sort of hard to imagine a scenario where she actually survives the saga. I don't think they'll CG her in a major dramatic role, and I'm not sure if it'd be satisfying at all to have her just hanging around but basically inactive, or knowing she's alive but somehow entirely absent from 9 only for her CG counterpart to show up briefly at the end like a repeat of TFA. "Leia Organa has vanished" Poetry! I always had imagined she'd have to meet her son again at some point, but I think having her dead could play into Kylo's arc just as well. He ends up orphaned and alone just like his hero. So you kill Leia off in 8, Luke in 9, and then have them show up as Force Ghosts at the end and they can throw the blue filter on some pleasant shot of Carrie....hell, might as well throw canon to the wind and get Han in there too. The reunion everybody wanted! (...?) Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 My prediction: Han died in ep 7 Leia dies in ep 8 Luke dies in ep 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Just now, Stefancos said: My prediction: Han died in ep 7 Leia dies in ep 8 Luke dies in ep 9 See, I've been thinking that Luke will probably die in 8. Probably sacrificing himself like Kenobi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Lame either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: See, I've been thinking that Luke will probably die in 8. Probably sacrificing himself like Kenobi. Not that Carrie Fisher has passed, its more logical to turn it around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 My other pet theory could still turn out to be true: that Luke has turned to the Dark Side and ends up killing Leia (imagine the response that'd get!). We already know that Hamill plays evil better than good anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 That would be a hugely risky thing to do. Luke basically is still the hero of this franchise. I doubt they would go there, and i'm not sure I want them too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, Stefancos said: I doubt they would go there, and i'm not sure I want them too. Yeah I don't think it's something I'd necessarily want, but I do want them to make a really bold choice of some kind though. I love TFA but bold it ain't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Luke killing Leia, Rey than killing Luke? I really don't see it going there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 47 minutes ago, mrbellamy said: Ultimately it'll depend on the nature of where 8 was going to leave her character. Seems to me the most difficult situation for them would be if they've established Leia by the end of the film as a really strong presence with indications of a major narrative role in the finale. That would probably require some adjustment to 8, ideally only re-editing but possibly some level of re-writing/re-shooting. The idea of leaving you in suspense with her going off to find Kylo Ren or something, you can't just go "And then she died!" in the crawl. "And then her son killed her!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 General Leia Organa died! Her absense has caused the Resistance to splinter. The First order is using the ensuing chaos to tighten it's hold and broaden it's grasp.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 1 minute ago, Stefancos said: General Leia Organa died! Her absense has caused the Resistance to splinter. The First order is using the ensuing chaos to tighten it's hold and broaden it's grasp.... As the Resistance grows weaker, Supreme Leader grows stronger, and orders the construction of a second Starkiller Base. Unaware of this dramatic turn of events, one-armed Rey goes back to Jakku, to deliver Poe Dameron from the clutches of Jubbu the Hatt... Will and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 The most interesting story turn I could imagine is Rey turning dark side while Kylo Ren regrets his actions from the previous film. Then it becomes Ren who has to turn Rey back because he doesn't want her to make the same mistakes he did. I dare say that would be REALLY unexpected! John Williams would probably hate it though, considering how fond he is of Rey's character... Will and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,285 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Disco Stu said: My other pet theory could still turn out to be true: that Luke has turned to the Dark Side and ends up killing Leia (imagine the response that'd get!). We already know that Hamill plays evil better than good anyway. I imagine Luke will have a bitter edge to him in 8, but I agree with Pieter that I think they'd sooner send Rey to the Dark Side if they were really going to explore that route with a hero. I'm not sure we'll get anything much "bolder" in this trilogy than killing off the OT protags, though. It's a relative term, anyway, and easier to qualify in retrospect. You could say killing off Han Solo and forgoing a reunion with Luke/Leia in the first Disney-produced Star Wars movie written/directed by JJ Abrams was more unexpected than other alternatives, even though it doesn't seem like much now. I remember a fake plot summary that speculated the big "sacrifice" was that they were gonna blow up the Millennium Falcon... Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 1 minute ago, mrbellamy said: I imagine Luke will have a bitter edge to him in 8, but I agree with Pieter that I think they'd sooner send Rey to the Dark Side if they were really going to explore that route with a hero. I'm not sure we'll get anything much "bolder" in this trilogy than killing off the OT protags, though. It's a relative term, anyway, and easier to qualify in retrospect. You could say killing off Han Solo and forgoing a reunion with Luke/Leia in the first Disney-produced Star Wars movie written/directed by JJ Abrams was more unexpected than other alternatives, even though it doesn't seem like much now. I remember a fake plot summary that speculated the big "sacrifice" was that they were gonna blow up the Millennium Falcon... It's true, there definitely was a certain boldness to placing so much trust in the new characters to carry the movie mostly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 It's not really bold when you realize kids could hardly relate to old fossils, if they were to carry the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: It's not really bold when you realize kids could hardly relate to old fossils, if they were to carry the movie. Maybe boldness isn't the right word. Confidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Try "inevitability". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Maybe so. But confidence is definitely something I sensed from TFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,308 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 I daresay if the current version of VIII has Luke dying and Leia surviving, this will be re-shot so the outcomes are reversed and Luke can take Leia's planned role in IX. I can easily see them having planned for Leia to be the last surviving OT hero, with her most significant role being in IX turning Ren back to the light side. Of course, Luke has a similarly compelling relationship with Ren, given what happened to his New Jedi Order. Luke taking that role in IX makes narrative sense. Either Luke or Ren will surely sacrifice themselves to save Rey in IX, if they want to echo the ending of ROTJ. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 7 hours ago, mrbellamy said: So you kill Leia off in 8, Luke in 9, 6 hours ago, Stefancos said: My prediction: Han died in ep 7 Leia dies in ep 8 Luke dies in ep 9 Cremeritis! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 8 hours ago, Disco Stu said: See, I've been thinking that Luke will probably die in 8. Probably sacrificing himself like Kenobi. I wasn't expecting anyone to die in VIII after having Han go in VII, fulfilling the mentor role who gets killed ala Kenobi and Qui-Gon in Episode I. It always happens during the first part of a trilogy. But now it's up in the air. I could see Leia dying in VIII. If they change some things around it could be the cleanest, best way to close up that character's arc without having to do any questionable CG gimmickery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 I see Star Wars paralleling the Nolan Batverse. Harvey Dent dies but the Joker actor dies, which may or may not affect the sequel. Han dies but Leia's actress dies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,285 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 1 hour ago, crumbs said: I can easily see them having planned for Leia to be the last surviving OT hero, with her most significant role being in IX turning Ren back to the light side. Of course, Luke has a similarly compelling relationship with Ren, given what happened to his New Jedi Order. Luke taking that role in IX makes narrative sense. Yeah that was always pretty much my feeling that with Han out of the picture, the finale would come down to a mother/son relationship to mirror Luke/Vader. And if Rey turned out to be Luke's, then you're dealing with themes of mothers and daughters. I always sorta felt like it would have been poignant for Luke and Kylo Ren to die, leaving Leia and Rey to pick up the pieces of their broken family and form a surrogate mother/daughter relationship. Seemed like something they might do with this trilogy, leaving us with the image of these two women. But alas. I prefer to think now that Luke will survive and he and Rey will come together as family at the end, but I dunno. I also saw an interesting theory awhile ago that her parents might not be significant, but somebody we know perhaps killed them....Luke? Kylo Ren? Maybe even Han in a nasty run-in with Jakku mercenaries (that why he seemed to recognize her?) But that could introduce a bit of dark vengeance to her character, plus a cool nod to the "Obi-Wan killed your father" fake out line from ESB. Not sure where something like that would lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 There's absolutely no recognition from Han when he's with Rey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Obi-Wan doesn't remember owning a droid. Vader doesn't remember his protocol droid. Vader can't detect the Force in his daughter even with the ginsu of torture droids. They'll be able to retcon any corny excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 We had an entire film dealing with the plot error of why the Death Star is so easily destroyed. They will devote an entire film to why Obi-Wan doesn't remember owning a droid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Maybe he feels that when he was a Jedi, he never owned Artoo. He was just a tool, company property, first of the Naboo then the Jedi, before passing to the Rebel Alliance with Jimmy Smits. He never belonged to Kenobi. We do not need another movie where he says, "what I told you was true, from a certain point of view." The Death Star having a weakness is as much of a plot hole as Achilles having a weakness in the Iliad. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Obi-Wan said he never owned a droid because he doesn't believe in the concept of ownership! Phew! Continuity preserved! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Yay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 It will be revealed in Episode VIII that Rey's father helped design the Starkiller base and was responsible for the flaw that allowed the Resistance to destroy it. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Lets hope! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Resistances are built on hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,006 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 I hope there will be an even bigger Starkiller base in IX. And that many Rahtars die while trying to provide Resistence with the information about it. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, crocodile said: I hope there will be an even bigger Starkiller base in IX. And that many Rahtars die while trying to provide Resistence with the information about it. Karol What? The Bothans aren't enough for you anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 It's 2017 Incanus. There must be more, and everything must bigger!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 And Star Wars could always use more tentacles! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,006 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 We don't even know what Bothans look like. And yes, I'm aware that they appear in the Legends stuff. But that might not count anymore. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 9 hours ago, crumbs said: Either Luke or Ren will surely sacrifice themselves to save Rey in IX, if they want to echo the ending of ROTJ. I really hope they DON'T want that. TFA was one big echo. Time for something less echo-ey, perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Think of me as an echo of the person you know. A part of herself she left behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 7 minutes ago, Pieter_Boelen said: I really hope they DON'T want that. TFA was one big echo. Time for something less echo-ey, perhaps? But it's fits the Star Wars Ring Theory! History repeats itself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, Stefancos said: But it's fits the Star Wars Ring Theory! History repeats itself! True. It'd get a bit samey-samey after a while though. Based on what has come before, "history repeating itself" seems to mean "drama, drama, drama with nothing ever resolving". What I'd like to see more than a circle of "same old, same old", is characters breaking that circle so that new stuff might happen. Whatever that new stuff might be! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 I sort of have an idea of where this movie is going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 The good guys will win. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 A coworker just rushed in excited to show me this I hadn't seen it before so looked it up and of course its a fake Not Mr. Big and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Brilliant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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