Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 The ability to quote the original trilogy does not make you correct. The situation has become much more complicated. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Separately, reliable poster ManaByte at the Jedi Council Forums confirmed the report. So, assuming nothing changes, we'll be getting it a week earlier than we expected -- sounds like Hamill truly messed up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Maybe he didn't mess up? Perhaps there's a TV Spot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 It won't have new Williams music. Will and Not Mr. Big 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 1 hour ago, BloodBoal said: I think it will. With or without synth "enhancements", that's the question. I think the question is whether or not he will utilize the trailer to introduce the new main theme (e.g. Gondor in Ascension for Return of the King or the Company theme for An Unexpected Journey) , or will it just be your average trailer-ized "epic" statement of the Force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 2 hours ago, BloodBoal said: I think it will. With or without synth "enhancements", that's the question. Or perhaps it will be music by a good imitator. Or perhaps it will be generic trailer music. I'm contacting Gordy Haab and Felix Erskine on Facebook right now. I wonder what made Disney think needing to hire people to come in and do synth shit for TFA when there was a wealth of material from the score that could've served the same purpose, or better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 I keep thinking on this self perpetuating Star Wars that only drinks from Star Wars and that insists on only being for kids because it originally was and I wonder why can't this grow with the audience a little bit. Even Harry Potter did a bit. It doesn't even mean you can't go back to movies for kids in certain films... Maybe after this first batch of the trilogy plus solo movies we'll start seeing weirder stuff, I dunno. I foresee an ugly future: whenever I run out of my current franchise I love, I'll go back to complaining about Star Wars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 As much as one can make the argument Star Wars was made for kids, the appeal from the beginning has expanded for it be better classified as a 'family film'. Other demographics have meant that the franchise has really cornered most of the marketing sphere: now it has to directly cater to and produce 'kid-friendly' features for younger audiences, just as it produces the video games and the roleplaying games for another demographic. I'm not sure how Disney and Lucasfilm wrap their heads around producing a new film in the same universe that has to appeal to so many demographics, it must be a nightmare. Rogue One was going to be a darker war film, but apparently they had to rework major parts of it to be more in-line with an action adventure film; this all comes at the expense of catering to all these demographics and finding a middle-ground that's going to please as many people as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 That often doesn't work out. Like some of the Disney failures. It makes it difficult for something to develop a personality and style that actually appeals fully to a portion of the audience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Its called making a four-quadrant film, and its something that Hollywood does reasonably well most of the time with these blockbusters. 20 minutes ago, Arpy said: Rogue One was going to be a darker war film, but apparently they had to rework major parts of it to be more in-line with an action adventure film Of all the studios, Disney is the one most associated with a "brand" in terms of the tone of its films. And yes that makes it difficult for them to produce truly poignant pieces of cinema. Because to be poignant, a film needs to be serious, and being serious makes the film a lot more dark and dire. Also, while serious, dire and foreboding films can be made to make a lot of money (Lord of the Rings, Dark Knight) they are nowehere near the very top of the box office. That's reserved for stuff like Avatar, the Force Awakens and Jurrassic World. Even just in the Star Wars franchise, look at The Empire Strikes Back, the most dire and serious of the films (besides Revenge of the Sith), and also by far the least profitable one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 I blame Lucasfilm more than Disney. The Star Wars they want to copy existed like that without Disney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Yes, but Empire Strikes Back is a serious film, in terms of tone; Revenge of the Sith, for all its flaws, is a serious film. So the aesthetics of Star Wars allow for a serious story to be told. Force Awakens is also quite serious, actually. Its just counteracted by insistent (albeit good) humor. The Last Jedi is certainly being sold as a "serious" film, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 8 minutes ago, Chen G. said: Its called making a four-quadrant film, and its something that Hollywood does reasonably well most of the time with these blockbusters. Of all the studios, Disney is the one most associated with a "brand" in terms of the tone of its films. And yes that makes it difficult for them to produce truly poignant pieces of cinema. Because to be poignant, a film needs to be serious, and being serious makes the film a lot more dark and dire. Star Wars doesn't need to be poignant, none of them (so far) are masterpieces of any kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 5 minutes ago, Chen G. said: Yes, but Empire Strikes Back is a serious film, in terms of tone; Revenge of the Sith, for all its flaws, is a serious film. So the aesthetics of Star Wars allow for a serious story to be told. Force Awakens is also quite serious, actually. Its just counteracted by insistent (albeit good) humor. The Last Jedi is certainly being sold as a "serious" film, as well. Seriousness doesn't necesarily make something "adult" Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 "Somehow we've been transported to the furthest reaches of the Delta Quadrant, where the Borg, Star Wars and Disney lie." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 18 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: The Lord Of The Rings and The Dark Knight were nowhere near the very top of the box-office? What? What about Titanic? Was that not dire and foreboding? All these movies made more than a billion at the box-office. If that's not near the very top, I don't know what is. Titanic is the exception to the rule. As for Lord of the Rings and Dark Knight, they're not even in the top ten anymore. Dark stories are not as accessible, I'm afraid. Its easier to watch something that is just "fun" throughout like, say, The Avengers. 17 minutes ago, Arpy said: Star Wars doesn't need to be poignant, none of them (so far) are masterpieces of any kind. There is some poignancy to several episodes, I've found. And I do think Empire Strikes Back is deserving of a masterpiece status. Some films earlier in the history of the medium achieved this status for much less. And this is all coming from someone who is a casual fan of Star Wars, at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 15 minutes ago, Chen G. said: Titanic is the exception to the rule. As for Lord of the Rings and Dark Knight, they're not even in the top ten anymore. Dark stories are not as accessible, I'm afraid. Its easier to watch something that is just "fun" throughout like, say, The Avengers. There is some poignancy to several episodes, I've found. And I do think Empire Strikes Back is deserving of a masterpiece status. Some films earlier in the history of the medium achieved this status for much less. And this is all coming from someone who is a casual fan of Star Wars, at best. The Avengers isn't easy to watch! You're right about there being a certain amount of poignancy in a few of the films - Revenge of the Sith for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 The top of the box-office is whatever major franchise is spearheading the summer movie lineup. Action, comedy, dark, it's all meaningless when Despicable Me 23 or Spider-Man reboot 6522 is out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 27, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted September 27, 2017 These conversations are getting quite boring, no offense guys. I'll just happily wait for The Last Jedi. Will, toothless and mstrox 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 I agree with...well, you know the rest. Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Will and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Just now, BloodBoal said: Bravo. You just made it on my list of top 5 rudest JWFANs. You're too sweet to me, BB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 There's no doubt Star Wars began as a space movie for kids. The original film is pretty corny if you stop viewing it through macrobinoculars. However, the series has also been all over the place tonally, with everyone saying Empire is dark and serious, cheesiness from ROTJ onward and then dark and violent in Revenge of the Sixth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 6 hours ago, Chen G. said: Titanic is the exception to the rule. As for Lord of the Rings and Dark Knight, they're not even in the top ten anymore. Dark stories are not as accessible, I'm afraid. Its easier to watch something that is just "fun" throughout like, say, The Avengers. The current top 10 has little relevance to the roles past movies played. Like someone mentioned here before, breaking the billion dollar grossing mark doesn't mean as much as it used to, but Return of the King was one of 3 films of all time to hit that mark upon its release, and that was a huge deal. To deny the significance of franchises like LOTR and the Batman films in box office grossing shows a lack of understanding of the box office itself. The top 10 now is essentially reserved for the biggest franchises and animated films. It has less to do with the "seriousness" of the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 1 hour ago, The Doctor said: There's no doubt Star Wars began as a space movie for kids. The original film is pretty corny if you stop viewing it through macrobinoculars. However, the series has also been all over the place tonally, with everyone saying Empire is dark and serious, cheesiness from ROTJ onward and then dark and violent in Revenge of the Sixth. ROTS is cheesier than ROTJ. More often than not, the former is more inadvertently humorous than "dark", thanks to the terrible dialogue and mediocre acting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Yes, ROTS is dark only in concept, not so much in execution. The youngling scene sounds horrible, but when I watch it's only kind of goofy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 I would go so far as to say ROTS is more comedy than sci-fi adventure. DarthDementous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 59 minutes ago, KK said: The current top 10 has little relevance to the roles past movies played. Like someone mentioned here before, breaking the billion dollar grossing mark doesn't mean as much as it used to, but Return of the King was one of 3 films of all time to hit that mark upon its release, and that was a huge deal. Someone... Someone... While we're all someone's "someone", I would still have appreciated more from you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 I'm convinced every single person on this board is a figment that represents some specific aspect of my psyche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Amazing how many aspects of your psyche stoke your ego by agreeing with you. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Just now, mstrox said: Amazing how many aspects of your psyche stoke your ego by agreeing with you. This only bolsters my theory! Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 I can't be you, since I think BOS is a POS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 3 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: I can't be you, since I think BOS is a POS. Clearly there's a version of myself that thinks this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Just admit you like Episode III, guys. You don't have to pretend here. I'm not judging you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 1 hour ago, BloodBoal said: Someone... Someone... While we're all someone's "someone", I would still have appreciated more from you. You are only another face of mine dear brother! Need I mention your name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Wow!!! I hope this is true - it can only mean more Williams music! Rumor - Star Wars: The Last Jedi will be 2 and a half hours long, making it the series' longest film *Will, who is waiting for KM to come in here and complain about the greater possibility of unreleased music* toothless 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Doubt it. Sounds like an estimated running time (2 and a half hours even) Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,892 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Didn't they say a while back that it will actually be the shortest SW film? Or was the TFA? I don't remember... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Star Wars 8 Toy Has Fans Questioning Snoke's Gender Identity Does this mean we'll hear a female choir rendition of "Snoke"? Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrbellamy 6,286 Posted September 29, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted September 29, 2017 The fact that more reputable sites like AMC and Fandango are all starting to change the runtime to 150 now -- along with the fact that the film is officially done -- would seem to point toward this being accurate, but I guess we'll see. It does seem like the movie would have a lot of ground to cover with so many separate plot lines so it'd make sense to be longer than TFA. Also more about the movie being "different," from Domhnall Gleeson. Quote When I read it I needed to talk to him, and I think that’s always a good sign. I was like, ‘Wow there’s some stuff there which is kind of—not scary but different to what I expected,’ and that’s a really, really nice thing. I think that’s a really positive thing, I think that’s important for those films that we don’t repeat ourselves. So I just wanted to talk to him, and when I talked to him he was so clear and so confident, not in a brash way but he knew the film he wanted to make, and it was a really lovely thing. Just [to] sit down with a filmmaker you really enjoy… but to see him, just the confidence of it and his excitement about what it could be and everything, it was really pleasing to see. Very calming. And I got really excited about being in it, and it was a really very, very cool experience working with him. I would love to work with him again, I really enjoyed it. Not Mr. Big, Will, crumbs and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Interesting. I'm all for the longer running time btw, especially after the short breezy TFA. Hopefully it means more breathing room for the music. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Breezy? The film was 2 hours and 15 minutes long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 For the new generation, accustomed to 2 hours and 30 minutes+ long blockbusters, a 2 hours and 15 minutes long film is breezy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,527 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Stefancos said: Breezy? The film was 2 hours and 15 minutes long. Once you remove main and end titles, it's more like 2hrs 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,892 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Personally, I prefer longer films, so I would be just fine with this. I usually edit the deleted scenes back into the films just to make them a little longer. greenturnedblue 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 32 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: Personally, I prefer longer films, so I would be just fine with this. I usually edit the deleted scenes back into the films just to make them a little longer. The Ultimate Editions of the first two Harry Potter films did just that, an extended cut of the films but reincorporating the deleted scenest. To be honest, the way they did it was a bit slap-dash, they just dragged and dropped the deleted scenes in between the scenes they were cut from and each scene felt like it should've been cut into a tighter sequence and not just a jarring scene after another! That Gleeson excerpt a few posts ago won't mean much to me until I see the film. What actor in these press junkets is going to be negative or anything but positive? Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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