BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 On 6/9/2020 at 10:40 AM, TheUlyssesian said: Honest to god folks protect yourself. There are literally careers and lives being ruined about what someone posted on the internet. You literally cannot be careful enough. Cowardice is not the answer here. Fight back. Hold idiots to account. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 10, 2020 I don't see how anyone could read that essay and think "What a transphobic and selfish monster." I see a person, like me I hope, that always strives to be open-minded, that thinks pluralism and acceptance is a strength, and is earnestly struggling with this particular social movement. I see a good-faith conversation. And bravo for that! Bilbo, Holko, bollemanneke and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 Sounds entirely reasonable. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick Parker 3,040 Posted June 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 10, 2020 1 hour ago, TheUlyssesian said: Rowling triples down. Hoo boy! https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/ I think there has to be a fallout. Did she just publish this or did she consult her PR or lawyer or what not. Maybe she is too big to cancel but she is tempting fate. Quote It would be so much easier to tweet the approved hashtags – because of course trans rights are human rights and of course trans lives matter – scoop up the woke cookies and bask in a virtue-signalling afterglow. Hedwig Tries a Woke Molly Weasley, Gruesome Son of a Bitch and Smeltington 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,508 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 On 6/8/2020 at 10:38 AM, Bilbo said: Maybe the actress is of Chinese origin but that has nothing to do with Rowling. She's not Chinese, she's Scottish. She ordered a macaroni cheese pie, and an Irn Bru, from the trolley. What more proof do you need?! Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 29 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: I don't see how anyone could read that essay and think "What a transphobic and selfish monster." I see a person, like me I hope, that always strives to be open-minded, that thinks pluralism and acceptance is a strength, and is earnestly struggling with this particular social movement. I see a good-faith conversation. And bravo for that! I agree. She has concerns, maybe they’re unfounded, I don’t know enough about the subject. But “burn the witch!!” Certainly isn’t the solution you this. (Pardon the pun) TSMefford and Holko 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TSMefford 1,509 Posted June 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 10, 2020 35 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: I don't see how anyone could read that essay and think "What a transphobic and selfish monster." I see a person, like me I hope, that always strives to be open-minded, that thinks pluralism and acceptance is a strength, and is earnestly struggling with this particular social movement. I see a good-faith conversation. And bravo for that! I don't necessarily think she's a monster, but I think it's humorous again to see her preach acceptance when again, her remarks specifically around trans people don't quite seem to paint that picture. I found this response to her essay insightful personally: https://twitter.com/Carter_AndrewJ/status/1270787941275762689?s=20 EDIT: Just want to clarify. I don't think JKR deserves the abuse she's been getting online. 9 minutes ago, Bilbo said: I agree. She has concerns, maybe they’re unfounded, I don’t know enough about the subject. But “burn the witch!!” Certainly isn’t the solution you this. (Pardon the pun) I can agree with that. Glóin the Dark, Falstaft, Molly Weasley and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 Yeah yeah yeah shuz ya legs, darl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 No honor among HP alumni. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alex 2,833 Posted June 11, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 11, 2020 I always find the best way to deal with someone who disagrees with you is to abuse them online and do everything you can to ruin their career. Bilbo, bollemanneke, Arpy and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 This induced an official statement from freakin' Warner Bros. https://variety.com/2020/film/news/jk-rowling-warner-bros-1234631061/ It's basically a nonsense corporate PR lawyerly statement that uses words but doesn't say anything. I read it this way - We are not going to fire her. Some people are too big to fire. But make no mistake... if some lower level actor had made these same statements, you can bet your ass they would have been fired before the day is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,626 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 This whole cancel culture is getting out of hand. Minority groups trying to erase and ruin the career of a public persona beloved by millions of people because they felt slightly slighted then react hysterically using social media to destroy people isn't going to get them anywhere with their cause. bollemanneke and Bilbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, King Mark said: This whole cancel culture is getting out of hand. Trying to erase and ruin the career of a public persona beloved by millions of people because a minority group felt slightly slighted then reacts hysterically using social media to destroy people isn't going to get them anywhere with their cause. This is what they do. Do, do... do, do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,508 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 De-do-do-do. De-da-da-da. It's all I want to say, to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,338 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 6 hours ago, PuhgreÞiviÞm said: Yeah yeah yeah shuz ya legs, darl Fine. This morning I've decided I'm no longer disabled. I identify as someone who isn't blind from now on. Gonna buy myself a car and see how it goes. Also might try and wave my arms on the streets because I also identify as someone who can fly. Wish me luck everybody! Omen II and Naïve Old Fart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 My girlfriend chimes in Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 2 hours ago, bollemanneke said: Fine. This morning I've decided I'm no longer disabled. I identify as someone who isn't blind from now on. Gonna buy myself a car and see how it goes. Also might try and wave my arms on the streets because I also identify as someone who can fly. Wish me luck everybody! that’s the spirit! bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 You can do it bolle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,338 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 Don't tell me what I can do, nobody knows what I can and can't do but me! You're clearly TERF! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 Shit! bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 10 hours ago, Alex said: I always find the best way to deal with someone who disagrees with you is to abuse them online and do everything you can to ruin their career. Tit for tat is better than getting steamrolled. The best answer is to not be employed. Employees can’t capitalize on controversy. You need to be self-employed, then controversy is publicity and you’ll boost your business. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 12 minutes ago, Blumenkohl said: Tit for tat is better than getting steamrolled. The best answer is to not be employed. Employees can’t capitalize on controversy. You need to be self-employed, then controversy is publicity and you’ll boost your business. Unless you receive a surprise (but coincidentally timed) letter in mail notifying you that your ABN has been cancelled for no specified reason! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 31 minutes ago, PuhgreÞiviÞm said: Unless you receive a surprise (but coincidentally timed) letter in mail notifying you that your ABN has been cancelled for no specified reason! Move to America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 13 minutes ago, Blumenkohl said: Move to America. It does seem more business friendly overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 We have our own problems. Free market is dead. Late-stage capitalism is pretty weird. Very socialist if you are a big corporation. Government owns most of the market as of this year, with the Fed and Treasure printing money to take ownership of everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 Wow what a great short story that was! Holko and bollemanneke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,626 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 I'm pretty sure WB is gonna cave in a few days and cancel the rest of the Fantastic Beasts film series. Who's gonna be the real winners if that happens? Trans rights activists and the social media woke brigade who'll have the worldwide JKRowlings fans against them now? Or JK Rowlings is just gonna say screw all of you, I'm not finishing those movies and retiring for good. Then she won't have to come out and talk about the gender, sexual identity and skin color of the various characters in her movies and books and why she didn't include this and that. BLUMENKOHL and bollemanneke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 8 minutes ago, King Mark said: I'm pretty sure WB is gonna cave in a few days and cancel the rest of the Fantastic Beasts film series. Who's gonna be the real winners if that happens? Everyone who wants all that time and money and energy put into better stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,626 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 I' m trying not to be cynical about the movies themselves. Because of JKRowlings we have 3 classic John Williams scores we'll cherish forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Smeltington 1,436 Posted June 11, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 11, 2020 No matter what anyone says about JKR, now or in the future, I have these on my shelf: 7 Harry Potter books 8 Harry Potter movies 3 Harry Potter JW OSTs and the Harry Potter John Williams collection. And they're not going anywhere. Feels good man! Bilbo, TSMefford, bollemanneke and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 1 hour ago, King Mark said: I'm pretty sure WB is gonna cave in a few days and cancel the rest of the Fantastic Beasts film series. WB have already made a statement and I can’t see them changing their minds. The movie isn’t due out for nearly 18 months so a long time for this to die down. She lost less than 100,000 twitter followers over this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 1 hour ago, King Mark said: I'm pretty sure WB is gonna cave in a few days and cancel the rest of the Fantastic Beasts film series. Who's gonna be the real winners if that happens? Trans rights activists and the social media woke brigade who'll have the worldwide JKRowlings fans against them now? Or JK Rowlings is just gonna say screw all of you, I'm not finishing those movies and retiring for good. Then she won't have to come out and talk about the gender, sexual identity and skin color of the various characters in her movies and books and why she didn't include this and that. This is a fascinating occurence. It kinda shows the different standards for the wealthy and the powerful. Rowling can topple businesses and companies if she wants. She has basically that "fuck you" power. I think social media mobs fail against power like that. Who else this immensely wealthy and powerful has ever tried to take on a social media mob? bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,508 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 8 hours ago, bollemanneke said: Fine. This morning I've decided I'm no longer disabled. I identify as someone who isn't blind from now on. Gonna buy myself a car and see how it goes. Also might try and wave my arms on the streets because I also identify as someone who can fly. Wish me luck everybody! So...how did it go? I hate to say this, but I agree with Rowling 100%. If we invoke biology, no amount of nip-and-tuck, or pills, or hormone replacement will ever change an XY into an XX, or vice versa. This would require a fundamental rearranging of chromosomes, which, at this point in time, is not possible. This is not the real point though, is it? I have dealt with children of both sexes who wish to identity as "opposites" (my quotation marks) and have been referred to Tavistock. I'll confess that I lacked the knowledge and skills to be able offer counsel to these confused, sad children, and that's why I worked alongside specialist therapists, to try to get to the root of their issues. I do know, however, that allowing someone to mutilate your body, just because you feel "uncomfortable" inside it, is not the answer. By the by, when did it ever become outlawed for someone to have an opinion and display it, in the public arena? A certain Eric Arthur Blair once said: "Freedom of speech means that I have the right to say things that you might not want to hear". He should know... bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TSMefford 1,509 Posted June 11, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 11, 2020 2 hours ago, King Mark said: I'm pretty sure WB is gonna cave in a few days and cancel the rest of the Fantastic Beasts film series. Who's gonna be the real winners if that happens? Trans rights activists and the social media woke brigade who'll have the worldwide JKRowlings fans against them now? Or JK Rowlings is just gonna say screw all of you, I'm not finishing those movies and retiring for good. Then she won't have to come out and talk about the gender, sexual identity and skin color of the various characters in her movies and books and why she didn't include this and that. Not gonna happen. Neither A or B. JKR, WB, and the Fantastic Beasts series will be just fine. The only thing that could kill the film series, honestly, is if the next one is also not good and falls even further at the box office. $$$ 9 hours ago, bollemanneke said: Fine. This morning I've decided I'm no longer disabled. I identify as someone who isn't blind from now on. Gonna buy myself a car and see how it goes. Also might try and wave my arms on the streets because I also identify as someone who can fly. Wish me luck everybody! This is a common reaction / ridicule to trans people. I don't necessarily feel malice towards anyone here for this kind of reaction, especially since I am not trans, and like I said, I don't understand the mindset fully. I'm not trans, nor do I consider myself very knowledgeable on the topic by any means, but as far as I'm aware that's not really how it works for most. For most it's a feeling that they've had their whole lives and never really knew what it was or how to describe it. I know someone who has felt this way all along, but never really knew what it was until they were older and did some research. It seems quite a few members here don't really get what it is exactly and I'll admit that I don't fully get it either and I may not ever get it. It's quite a tough concept for my brain to comprehend or unravel, but so are a lot of things that absolutely do exist. But seeing how a few close to me deal with it, it's certainly a thing and something quite important to them. And I mean, as far as science and biology goes, we discover new things about science everyday. At one point people believed the Earth the center of the Universe and I highly doubt that we have uncovered all the secrets of the human body or brain yet. So, whose to say there isn't a fully fleshed out scientific reasoning for it and we just don't fully understand it yet? Things change, things progress, and no one ever really likes it or understands it near the beginning. And here I am, still responding to this topic after swearing it off and I'm still basically saying the same things over and over again. 50 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: I do know, however, that allowing someone to mutilate your body, just because you feel "uncomfortable" inside it, is not the answer. For this point, the surgery is not something that is the end all, be all for all trans people. Not everyone does it as it is a very difficult process contrary to what Rowling seems to think. You cannot simply say that you want this surgery and it will happen. There's huge amount of cost, waiting lists, gate-keeping, etc. And some trans people are content with never doing the surgery. Sometimes it's about feeling more comfortable in the body you have than changing it as far as I'm aware. Okay, now I really need to be done with this. I'm not out to change minds. Just to present another perspective as I've experienced these things in my personal life. I think we all have our minds made up on the matter. EDIT: Fixing numerous typos. I'm not fit to make super long posts like this. Docteur Qui, Evanus, Molly Weasley and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 Voluntarily making yourself a slave of modern healthcare is a silly thing. Better to suffer in your soul than be owned by the modern medical supply chain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 So J. K. Rowling's new Harry Potter short story is about trans people? How nice of her! Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 11, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 11, 2020 1 hour ago, TSMefford said: Not gonna happen. Neither A or B. JKR, WB, and the Fantastic Beasts series will be just fine. The only thing that could kill the film series, honestly, is if the next one is also not good and falls even further at the box office. $$$ This is a common reaction / ridicule to trans people. I don't necessarily feel malice towards anyone here for this kind of reaction, especially since I am not trans, and like I said, I don't understand the mindset fully. I'm not trans, nor do I consider myself very knowledgeable on the topic by any means, but as far as I'm aware that's not really how it works for most. For most it's a feeling that they've had their whole lives and never really knew what it was or how to describe it. I know someone who has felt this way all along, but never really knew what it was until they were older and did some research. It seems quite a few members here don't really get what it is exactly and I'll admit that I don't fully get it either and I may not ever get it. It's quite a tough concept for my brain to comprehend or unravel, but so are a lot of things that absolutely do exist. But seeing how a few close to me deal with it, it's certainly a thing and something quite important to them. And I mean, as far as science and biology goes, we discover new things about science everyday. At one point people believed the Earth the center of the Universe and I highly doubt that we have uncovered all the secrets of the human body or brain yet. So, whose to say there isn't a fully fleshed out scientific reasoning for it and we just don't fully understand it yet? Things change, things progress, and no one ever really likes it or understands it near the beginning. And here I am, still responding to this topic after swearing it off and I'm still basically saying the same things over and over again. For this point, the surgery is not something that is the end all, be all for all trans people. Not everyone does it as it is a very difficult process contrary to what Rowling seems to think. You cannot simply say that you want this surgery and it will happen. There's huge amount of cost, waiting lists, gate-keeping, etc. And some trans people are content with never doing the surgery. Sometimes it's about feeling more comfortable in the body you have than changing it as far as I'm aware. Okay, now I really need to be done with this. I'm not out to change minds. Just to present another perspective as I've experienced these things in my personal life. I think we all have our minds made up on the matter. EDIT: Fixing numerous typos. I'm not fit to make super long posts like this. For me, the problem is the culture of "you will toe the line and say exactly what is approved as of right now or you will be buuuuuuurned" that applies to people supportive of trans rights more than the ones who are actually transphobic. Absolute no where does Rowling voice disapproval of their choices. Unlucky Bastard, Edmilson, Not Mr. Big and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 JK XL is doing a Godzilla movie? Wtf Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 59 minutes ago, PuhgreÞiviÞm said: JK XL is doing a Godzilla movie? Wtf I hope not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 Perfect match, a gorilla doing a Godzilla. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,626 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 The whole "woke" movement lost me in the Washington Post article about JW's music being racist. Nobody cares about film music so it's didn't get much traction but I saw how far it could go with something I deeply care about. And ripping out and destroying historical monuments and statues isn't doing it for me either bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 I’ve no problem with statues of slavers and racists being torn down. Put them in a museum if you just buy there’s no need for these men to be publicly celebrated. Cancel culture needs to end though. Not Mr. Big and TSMefford 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 I watched the movie about that dog on Disney+! Not bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 Why physical media are more important than ever: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/jun/11/fawlty-towers-dont-mention-the-war-episode-removed-from-uktv TSMefford and BLUMENKOHL 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 I think they did that specifically to troll John Cleese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 It's a great episode! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: Why physical media are more important than ever: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/jun/11/fawlty-towers-dont-mention-the-war-episode-removed-from-uktv No physical book or pamphlet can be excised from circulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Arpy 4,145 Posted June 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 12, 2020 Saw some ridiculous tweet with the caption 'Harry Potter has no author'. Does anyone else find it frightening that JK's comments weren't only misconstrued to make out as if she had been a gun-toting anti-trans activist, but that all her Potter compatriots felt some pressure or guilt that unless they stated what everyone expected of them in faux statements of solidarity then they would be devoured by their followers? We've seen so many examples of what the extreme far-right can accomplish that have scarred our society when left unchecked, but rarely have we seen the full extent of a warped leftist, PC culture when they're the one's in power. It's censorship again, silencing dissenting opinions again. There's no room for nuance when one would think that the plight of trans people and other beleaguered minorities requires a nuanced level of discourse? Time and time again, celebrities, corporations and all manner of people who've erred off the PC tracks or diverged from popular opinion etc. have caved into gratifying these cancel culture types, and any apology, sincere or fake is never enough for this totalitarian ideology. There's no perceived middle-ground in the public discourse on this issue. Either you're supporting a trans hating author, or your ready to crucify her and burn the books too and that's what bothers me. Where's the vocal support of what's right, fair, balanced and nuanced, when the culture surrounding it has been hijacked by authoritarian types too caught up on what people write on twitter? Docteur Qui, Holko, Jurassic Shark and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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