Edmilson 7,266 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 lol This is actually comics Kang: He's a very powerful villain from the comics, so much so that I was thinking he'd be the antagonist for an Avengers movie. But I guess they didn't want to repeat the "evil alien overlord as villain" trope again after Thanos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rick 1,152 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Kang was the main villian in the latest Lego Avengers game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Wrapped up Phase One. I had seen them all before except for Captain America. Now it’s all uncharted territory for me. mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,045 Posted September 14, 2020 Author Share Posted September 14, 2020 It's all downhill from here bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,266 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Do you prefer Phase One over the others? That's interesting, imo Phase 1 is the MCU at its weakest. It only got interesting from 2014 onwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,045 Posted September 14, 2020 Author Share Posted September 14, 2020 Eh I dunno, I don't really think about these films much after I see them. I remember Iron Man 3 and Avengers 2 being low points of the entire series, and those are Phase 2 I guess, but the funny ones (Guardians, Ant-man, Spider-man) are really good at least TSMefford and Chen G. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 I feel as though they needed to space out the Iron Man films, but Marvel were probably still on the cash train with that character around the time of third film. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Iron Man 3 was a bizarre follow-up to The Avengers. Pretty poor script in this one. Ben Kingsley pretending to be a Chinese terrorist only to end up being a hippie bro was so strange. Particularly since Guy Pierce was clearly the villain from his first appearance. The Mandarin character served no purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,045 Posted September 15, 2020 Author Share Posted September 15, 2020 It's probably my least favorite film in the entire franchise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Worse than The Dark World? Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,045 Posted September 15, 2020 Author Share Posted September 15, 2020 Both are towards the bottom but at least Thor 2 had Kat Dennings and some funny parts. I remember Iron Man 3 being a slog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Koray Savas said: Iron Man 3 was a bizarre follow-up to The Avengers. Pretty poor script in this one. Ben Kingsley pretending to be a Chinese terrorist only to end up being a hippie bro was so strange. Particularly since Guy Pierce was clearly the villain from his first appearance. The Mandarin character served no purpose. Subverting expectations before The Last Jedi popularized the term! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,306 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 10 hours ago, Jay said: Eh I dunno, I don't really think about these films much after I see them, but the funny ones (Guardians, Ant-man, Spider-man) was really good at least Guardians 1, right? Guardians 2 was a disappointment (Over-the-top and humor felt forced, unnatural). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,306 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 11 hours ago, Jay said: ..I remember Iron Man 3 and Avengers 2 being low points of the entire series.... Yeah. I dropped out around then ( WINTER SOLDIER also)😒 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 2 hours ago, AC1 said: Guardians 1, right? Guardians 2 was a disappointment (Over-the-top and humor felt forced, unnatural). I liked the second film, I thought Guardians could only get away with doing that, what with the chemistry between their characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,306 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 More jokes, bigger, more, faster, ... It was trying too hard and that sabotaged things somewhat. KK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 I didn't care for it much. Disappointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,612 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Iron Man 3 was one of my favorites! I’ve only seen these things once but really enjoyed it for reasons I don’t quite recall now. In fact, Phase 1 is probably the weakest imo. Lots of good stuff coming up for you. Winter Soldier, Guardians, Ant Man, Avengers 3-4, Black Panther, Thor 3, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,045 Posted September 15, 2020 Author Share Posted September 15, 2020 You put Black Panther in the good category? I thought it was pretty boring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,266 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Black Panther is great! Gorannsson's score fits the movie like a glove. TSMefford and Pieter Boelen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,306 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Black Panther looks clumsy and amateurish, just like that last Star Wars film where the gang is running across the market (first 10 minutes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,904 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Things will have to go south indeed for me to prefer The Dark World over a film headed by Downey Junior’s Tony Stark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mstrox 6,612 Posted September 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 15, 2020 Black Panther was good as hell! Sure, it didn't stray far from the Marvel formula, but it did an excellent job of worldbuilding, had charismatic characters and a compelling villain, wasn't super quippy (I know that some people around here's gripe). It definitely had moments of slowness but I wouldn't call anything about the movie boring - just had some room to breathe. Score was also top-tier among Marvel Cinematic Universe, whether or not you'd call that damning with faint praise. Pieter Boelen, TSMefford and Edmilson 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,304 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 I was most disappointed with that film visually. With all the care that went into the casting and general costume design, it ended up being just another blah CGI movie. But yes, Gorannsson's score is the only memorable one in the MCU. But that really isn't a very high bar to meet, is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Oh no, BP is a classic worthy of Jaws and Raiders! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,939 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Few quick thoughts: The Dark World is the worst Marvel film. Actually no, The Incredible Hulk is. They're both quite boring. I always enjoyed Iron Man 3. It's just plain fun film. Never understood why people hated it so much. Black Panther isn't terribly good, sadly. There are a lot of elements in it that I like but the story itself is lacking. And yes, it has probably the best score of the lot. Phase 1 definitely isn't the best one. Guardians 1 I enjoyed. Guardians 2 I did not (as much). My favourite Marvel films? Probably the four directed by the Russo brothers. Oddly, I'm quite satisfied after Endgame and there is no need to have more of those. I am, however, interested in WandaVision show. I thought the films didn't have enough those two. As far as film art goes, there are no truly great Marvel movies. But the majority of them are damn fun which is perhaps the best thing for 2020. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,306 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 I'd add BP if It was on CD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,045 Posted September 15, 2020 Author Share Posted September 15, 2020 The Amazing Spider-man is not part of the MCU, that's a different film series Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,266 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 The Amazing Spider-Man is not part of the MCU. Spider-Man: Homecoming and Spider-Man: Far from Home are the only Spidey movies set in the MCU. (now I realize how confusing this may seem for people who don't follow Marvel regularly, lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Are any of the Marvel shows on Netflix essential viewing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 7 minutes ago, Koray Savas said: Are any of the Marvel shows on Netflix essential viewing? I want to watch the Peggy Carter show because they're real and they're spectacular. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,045 Posted September 15, 2020 Author Share Posted September 15, 2020 54 minutes ago, Koray Savas said: Are any of the Marvel shows on Netflix essential viewing? Nope! The Netflix shows refer to events from the movies from time to time (actually, I think they pretty much only ever talk about the alien invasion from Avengers 1), but the events of the shows themselves are never mentioned in any of the movies. It's a one-way path, basically. This is the same answer for the ABC shows (Agents of SHIELD and Agent Carter) - the shows reference the movies, but the movies never reference the shows. Case in point: In the movie world, Coulson is permanently dead after Loki kills him in Avengers 1, but in the show world, he's been resurrected or some shit The ONLY exception to this is the same actor who first played Edwin Jarvis (Howard Stark's butler) in the Agent carter show shows up in Endgame playing Jarvis again. The upcoming Disney+ shows will very likely be a different case: Kevin Fiege is in charge of them, so they will likely be as much of the MCU continuity as the movies are. All that being said, I highly recommend Agent Carter, because it was a genuinely good show. Since you liked Fringe, you'd probably like it. No need to stop your movie progress to watch it all though; Just throw an episode on when you got 40 minutes to kill. Nothing that happens in the show will ever be referenced by any of the movies. It enriches the character of Peggy Carter though so you might appreciate her appearances in later MCU movies more if you watch it, perhaps. Definitely nothing essential though. Agents of SHIELD has its fans, but the general consensus seems to be its quality goes up and down a lot throughout its run, and there's a of treading water when they were waiting for movies to come out that would affect the plot of the show, but still had to conform to a network's September to May 22 episodes schedule. The Netflix shows also vary in quality a lot and it would be a crying shame to halt your movie progress to watch... 161 hours of television that will mostly be disappointing. They are also, overall, dark and disturbing type shows, not fun and quippy type shows. Basically dark and R rated instead of the movie world's mostly sunny PG13 aesthetic. Chen G. and mstrox 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,612 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 I stopped watching Agents of SHIELD a few seasons in, but it did fill in a little bit of worldbuilding between Captain America: The Winter Soldier Spoiler (the collapse of SHIELD) and the end of Age of Ultron Spoiler (why is Nick Fury popping up right now and why does he have all these giant SHIELD ships?!) But again, not essential - and frankly it didn't help too much to make that Age of Ultron thing make a lick of sense. 2 hours ago, PuhgreÞiviÞm said: Oh no, BP is a classic worthy of Jaws and Raiders! Don't have to be a classic to be good! (And I can think of a couple curmudgeons on FSM, older folk, who would balk at the idea of Jaws, Raiders, Star Wars, etc. as classics) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,045 Posted September 15, 2020 Author Share Posted September 15, 2020 That's proving my point - that's still a one way path. None of those world building details are ever referenced in the movies. It's just flavor for the shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,306 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 So, does this mean I have to turn in my MMMS membership card?😥 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,833 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 I love the Ant-Man films. You just have to kind of ignore how ridiculously powerful Hank Pym’s technology is and how easily he could change the world if he wanted to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 I think the MCU movies have only gotten better over time. mstrox and Edmilson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,045 Posted September 15, 2020 Author Share Posted September 15, 2020 I think what Fiege pulled off in 23 films over 11 years is pretty damn impressive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,904 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 As far as serialization go, I prefer watch a film series where all the entries follow one storyline from beginning to end (Lord of the Rings/Harry Potter/Star Wars) over the spider-web-like structure of the MCU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 @Koray SavasDaredevil (and Jessica Jones) were better stories than some of the last mcu films - better production value, more invested in telling character-driven stories due to the television format. I'd recommend watching them after you run the course of the films. 3 hours ago, Jay said: I think what Fiege pulled off in 23 films over 11 years is pretty damn impressive It's less impressive when you think that it was a couple of films that took off, making the rest easier to make. The inconsistent quality, lack of style, hiccups in storytelling are all things that dampen that 'success'. For a while, they just felt like factory-line films, assembled in an 'MCU Movie Maker' program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,306 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 Is there a diff between the Intrada and Disney releases of AVENGERS?. I know the music is identical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,278 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, bruce marshall said: Is there a diff between the Intrada and Disney releases of AVENGERS?. I know the music is identical. The intrada has sone music not on the digital IIRC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,306 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, Spider-Fal said: The intrada has sone music not on the digital IIRC I'm talking about the CDs only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,278 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, bruce marshall said: I'm talking about the CDs only. According to Discogs, the Disney version is a CDr, and has only 18 tracks vs the 19 track Intrada version bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,306 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 What about liner notes etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,306 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 10 hours ago, Koray Savas said: Are any of the Marvel shows on Netflix essential viewing? 10 hours ago, Jay said: Nope! This! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,306 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 10 hours ago, Edmilson said: The Amazing Spider-Man is not part of the MCU. Spider-Man: Homecoming and Spider-Man: Far from Home are the only Spidey movies set in the MCU. (now I realize how confusing this may seem for people who don't follow Marvel regularly, lol) So, I can't listen to ASM unless there is a significant time lapse between it and AVENGERS/CATFA?😗 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 2 hours ago, AC1 said: This! It depends what you mean by 'essential'. None of the films are essential other than the Avengers films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 Non-essential! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,306 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 22 minutes ago, Arpy said: It depends what you mean by 'essential'. It's TV for young teens but that might be exactly the reason why some folks are thoroughly entertained by it. When I was young we had The Six Million Dollar Man, The Bionic Woman, Gemini Man, ... Not much has changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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