Howard Shore's The Battle of the Five Armies (Hobbit Part 3)

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

The most disastrous trilogy of scores since the Prequels!

[Nick1Ø66 4,689]

Sorry, I'm sure this has been covered, but has anyone come up with a good chronological order for this yet (i.e. where to put the bonus tracks)?

[mstrox 6,647]

I do believe this album is in chronological order (with the exception of Dragon Sickness, which goes after Beyond Grief and Sorrow). The other bonus tracks are Thrain (which you can stick in Desolation of Smaug), and some theme presentations (which you can stick where the sun don't shine)

[Jay 37,287]

Sorry, I'm sure this has been covered, but has anyone come up with a good chronological order for this yet (i.e. where to put the bonus tracks)?

http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=24673&page=102#entry1070718

http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=5544&p=1077291

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The most disastrous trilogy of scores since the Prequels!

Its the only one!

<.<

Oh wait we are playing the hyperbole game again arent we

[Faleel 5,340]

though to be completely accurate to the movie version the female chorus should also be placed right after the Rivendel statement/before the 2nd Galadriel piece

Yeah, I was going to include it, but I couldnt hear it to edit it accurately.

Hobbit CR discussions can't really begin for another year or two … and everyone is still coming down from work the OSTs right now anyway!

https://twitter.com/DougAdamsMusic/status/550370992020021249

So has anyone else just been enjoying the soundtrack album as it is and not been just meticulously comparing it to the score as heard in the film?

Me, it's a fine album that seems to have all the highlights.

To paraphrase Tolkien: The Album is too short.

[MedigoScan 324]

the album isnt really missing as much as you'd think

the most criminal cuts are Fire&Water

[Joe Brausam 214]

The part at 2:05 in "Shores of the Long Lake", is that Bard's leadership theme that people talk about? Before seeing the film and without the context of the scene I could not get it out of my head that at the start of that section it was very similar in tone (and orchestration with the chamber strings, which struck me first) to a passage in Rózsa's Quo Vadis score.

Following the burning of Rome, 1:40 in "Tu Es Petrus". This scene, like "Shores of the Long Lake" also deals with the aftermath of a huge fire:

http://youtu.be/b5oORXWrvbs?t=1m38s

It's not that it's a huge similarity, but but it was one of the big things that struck me in BotFA at first, definitely one of my favorite new themes!

[Faleel 5,340]

Well I would like to have:

Alfrid's theme statements.

French Horn shire theme

extended Mithril.

extended fire and Water.

The part at 2:05 in "Shores of the Long Lake", is that Bard's leadership theme that people talk about? Before seeing the film and without the context of the scene I could not get it out of my head that at the start of that section it was very similar in tone (and orchestration with the chamber strings, which struck me first) to a passage in Rózsa's Quo Vadis score.

Following the burning of Rome, 1:40 in "Tu Es Petrus". This scene, like "Shores of the Long Lake" also deals with the aftermath of a huge fire:

http://youtu.be/b5oORXWrvbs?t=1m38s

It's not that it's a huge similarity, but but it was one of the big things that struck me in BotFA at first, definitely one of my favorite new themes!

Isn't that the Jesu Lord melody?

[Joe Brausam 214]

Well I would like to have:

Alfrid's theme statements.

French Horn shire theme

extended Mithril.

extended fire and Water.

The part at 2:05 in "Shores of the Long Lake", is that Bard's leadership theme that people talk about? Before seeing the film and without the context of the scene I could not get it out of my head that at the start of that section it was very similar in tone (and orchestration with the chamber strings, which struck me first) to a passage in Rózsa's Quo Vadis score.

Following the burning of Rome, 1:40 in "Tu Es Petrus". This scene, like "Shores of the Long Lake" also deals with the aftermath of a huge fire:

http://youtu.be/b5oORXWrvbs?t=1m38s

It's not that it's a huge similarity, but but it was one of the big things that struck me in BotFA at first, definitely one of my favorite new themes!

Isn't that the Jesu Lord melody?

Yup it is! The orchestration and context of the sequence really connects it to BotFA for me though.

[SafeUnderHill 205]

[Faleel 5,340]

Its in the film, though one statement is dropped, and the other is partially replaced with a (new ?) statement of Bard's family theme

[SafeUnderHill 205]

[Incanus 5,713]

So has anyone else just been enjoying the soundtrack album as it is and not been just meticulously comparing it to the score as heard in the film?

Me, it's a fine album that seems to have all the highlights.

To paraphrase Tolkien: The Album is too short.

Would anything but a complete score suffice?

[SafeUnderHill 205]

[KK 3,307]

Well I would like to have:

Alfrid's theme statements.

French Horn shire theme

extended Mithril.

extended fire and Water.

The part at 2:05 in "Shores of the Long Lake", is that Bard's leadership theme that people talk about? Before seeing the film and without the context of the scene I could not get it out of my head that at the start of that section it was very similar in tone (and orchestration with the chamber strings, which struck me first) to a passage in Rózsa's Quo Vadis score.

Following the burning of Rome, 1:40 in "Tu Es Petrus". This scene, like "Shores of the Long Lake" also deals with the aftermath of a huge fire:

http://youtu.be/b5oORXWrvbs?t=1m38s

It's not that it's a huge similarity, but but it was one of the big things that struck me in BotFA at first, definitely one of my favorite new themes!

Isn't that the Jesu Lord melody?

Yup it is! The orchestration and context of the sequence really connects it to BotFA for me though.

I can hear that.

When I first heard the Bard Leadership theme, the melodic contour reminded of one of the phrases of the Stoic theme from Shawshank:

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Coolman!

[gkgyver 1,645]

They're just saying they need a year or two to wind down, and hope that people forget about it.

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That and Gundabad were themes I thought were cut.

Does Gundabad make it in?

I think it does, though not the marching variant

[Faleel 5,340]

So has anyone else just been enjoying the soundtrack album as it is and not been just meticulously comparing it to the score as heard in the film?

Me, it's a fine album that seems to have all the highlights.

To paraphrase Tolkien: The Album is too short.

Would anything but a complete score suffice?

Not if I want that middle-earth feel!

That and Gundabad were themes I thought were cut.

Does Gundabad make it in?

I think it does, though not the marching variant

It does.

[SafeUnderHill 205]

[MedigoScan 324]

also

French Horn shire theme

when was this

[SafeUnderHill 205]

[Jay 37,287]

http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2014/12/01/95354-a-clip-from-the-hobbit-the-battle-of-the-five-armies-features-bilbo-gandalf-and-thranduil/

Here's another clip. Nice shire statement on French horn, and subtle allusion to the ring.

[SafeUnderHill 205]

[Jay 37,287]

I win!

[MedigoScan 324]

oh right that bit

no clue why they would leave that out on the album

but then 'The Fallen' is all kinds of confusing when you compare the film sequence to the album sequence

[SafeUnderHill 205]

[Faleel 5,340]

Part of Bilbo's adventure (the theme at the beginning of Barrels out of Bond) is in there too at 0:35 I think.

[SafeUnderHill 205]

[KK 3,307]

You think it's there because you want it to be there!

This.

And I think Shore was referring to one of the bits at the end, which is the likeliest candidate for incorporating the theme.

[Faleel 5,340]

You think it's there because you want it to be there!

This.

Do you guys even know what I am talking about?

This is what I am talking about:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9MWhKclV4T1NJRWM/view?usp=sharing

[gkgyver 1,645]

That and Gundabad were themes I thought were cut.

Does Gundabad make it in?

I think it does, though not the marching variant

The most frustrating thing in the film for me is the non-scoring of the army leaving Gundabad, lead by the bats.

[MedigoScan 324]

that cut was criminal yeah

all that build-up and the music was clearly audible and then WHAM silence

other frustrations are few parts of Ravenhill/To the Death and Gandalfs theme from Ruins of Dale

[KK 3,307]

You think it's there because you want it to be there!

This.

Do you guys even know what I am talking about?

This is what I am talking about:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9MWhKclV4T1NJRWM/view?usp=sharing

The last two statements I can agree with, the first one is just the Shire theme, albeit a lovely rendition at that.

[gkgyver 1,645]

that cut was criminal yeah

all that build-up and the music was clearly audible and then WHAM silence

other frustrations are few parts of Ravenhill/To the Death and Gandalfs theme from Ruins of Dale

that cut was criminal yeah

all that build-up and the music was clearly audible and then WHAM silence

other frustrations are few parts of Ravenhill/To the Death and Gandalfs theme from Ruins of Dale

I'm not against editing music out of the film, IF it makes dramatic sense. I can agree on many edits made in LotR, for example cutting the big "Mettana" choir burst in Foundations of Stone, or cutting the interpolated Ring themes when Frodo stands on the crack of doom. Those make sense. Or when a scene is cut short at the last minute, and there is no time for rewrites, like in Theoden Rides Forth.

That is fine too.

But in BOTFA, those, often radical, edits don't make sense in the least. Also, for the eagles music, I think you can clearly hear that it was recorded in stems, and Jackson/edit team axed large parts of the orchestration.

Maybe that's also a reason the mix sounds odd, because of the stem-approach?

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[Incanus 5,713]

Hobbit CR discussions can't really begin for another year or two … and everyone is still coming down from work the OSTs right now anyway!

https://twitter.com/DougAdamsMusic/status/550370992020021249

Why am I not surprised? Oh, yes, that's right: that's because I'm not surprised!

Is anyone with some idea how these things worked with LotR CRs surprised at this point that it might take a few years before they return to the idea of the Hobbit CRs?

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[crocodile 7,984]

Weird, SE of the US edition seems to be out of stock (print)?

Karol

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Its a best seller!

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[Faleel 5,340]

I got it!

[crocodile 7,984]

It's probably just temporary. All the other soundtracks are in stock.

I wanted to buy all three plus symphony sometime soon.

Karol

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[crocodile 7,984]

I'll buy you a copy of this symphony then.

Karol

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[crocodile 7,984]

Mwa-ha-ha! His ears will now bleed out when he hears Howard Shore's lazy adaptation of film cues.

Karol