BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 The most disastrous trilogy of scores since the Prequels! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,688 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Sorry, I'm sure this has been covered, but has anyone come up with a good chronological order for this yet (i.e. where to put the bonus tracks)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,647 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 I do believe this album is in chronological order (with the exception of Dragon Sickness, which goes after Beyond Grief and Sorrow). The other bonus tracks are Thrain (which you can stick in Desolation of Smaug), and some theme presentations (which you can stick where the sun don't shine) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted December 31, 2014 Author Share Posted December 31, 2014 Sorry, I'm sure this has been covered, but has anyone come up with a good chronological order for this yet (i.e. where to put the bonus tracks)? http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=24673&page=102#entry1070718 http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=5544&p=1077291 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 The most disastrous trilogy of scores since the Prequels!Its the only one!<.<Oh wait we are playing the hyperbole game again arent we Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 though to be completely accurate to the movie version the female chorus should also be placed right after the Rivendel statement/before the 2nd Galadriel pieceYeah, I was going to include it, but I couldnt hear it to edit it accurately.Hobbit CR discussions can't really begin for another year or two … and everyone is still coming down from work the OSTs right now anyway!https://twitter.com/DougAdamsMusic/status/550370992020021249So has anyone else just been enjoying the soundtrack album as it is and not been just meticulously comparing it to the score as heard in the film? Me, it's a fine album that seems to have all the highlights.To paraphrase Tolkien: The Album is too short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 the album isnt really missing as much as you'd thinkthe most criminal cuts are Fire&Water Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Brausam 214 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 The part at 2:05 in "Shores of the Long Lake", is that Bard's leadership theme that people talk about? Before seeing the film and without the context of the scene I could not get it out of my head that at the start of that section it was very similar in tone (and orchestration with the chamber strings, which struck me first) to a passage in Rózsa's Quo Vadis score. Following the burning of Rome, 1:40 in "Tu Es Petrus". This scene, like "Shores of the Long Lake" also deals with the aftermath of a huge fire:http://youtu.be/b5oORXWrvbs?t=1m38sIt's not that it's a huge similarity, but but it was one of the big things that struck me in BotFA at first, definitely one of my favorite new themes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Well I would like to have:Alfrid's theme statements.French Horn shire themeextended Mithril.extended fire and Water.The part at 2:05 in "Shores of the Long Lake", is that Bard's leadership theme that people talk about? Before seeing the film and without the context of the scene I could not get it out of my head that at the start of that section it was very similar in tone (and orchestration with the chamber strings, which struck me first) to a passage in Rózsa's Quo Vadis score. Following the burning of Rome, 1:40 in "Tu Es Petrus". This scene, like "Shores of the Long Lake" also deals with the aftermath of a huge fire:http://youtu.be/b5oORXWrvbs?t=1m38sIt's not that it's a huge similarity, but but it was one of the big things that struck me in BotFA at first, definitely one of my favorite new themes!Isn't that the Jesu Lord melody? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Brausam 214 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Well I would like to have:Alfrid's theme statements.French Horn shire themeextended Mithril.extended fire and Water.The part at 2:05 in "Shores of the Long Lake", is that Bard's leadership theme that people talk about? Before seeing the film and without the context of the scene I could not get it out of my head that at the start of that section it was very similar in tone (and orchestration with the chamber strings, which struck me first) to a passage in Rózsa's Quo Vadis score. Following the burning of Rome, 1:40 in "Tu Es Petrus". This scene, like "Shores of the Long Lake" also deals with the aftermath of a huge fire:http://youtu.be/b5oORXWrvbs?t=1m38sIt's not that it's a huge similarity, but but it was one of the big things that struck me in BotFA at first, definitely one of my favorite new themes!Isn't that the Jesu Lord melody?Yup it is! The orchestration and context of the sequence really connects it to BotFA for me though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Its in the film, though one statement is dropped, and the other is partially replaced with a (new ?) statement of Bard's family theme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 So has anyone else just been enjoying the soundtrack album as it is and not been just meticulously comparing it to the score as heard in the film? Me, it's a fine album that seems to have all the highlights.To paraphrase Tolkien: The Album is too short.Would anything but a complete score suffice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Well I would like to have:Alfrid's theme statements.French Horn shire themeextended Mithril.extended fire and Water.The part at 2:05 in "Shores of the Long Lake", is that Bard's leadership theme that people talk about? Before seeing the film and without the context of the scene I could not get it out of my head that at the start of that section it was very similar in tone (and orchestration with the chamber strings, which struck me first) to a passage in Rózsa's Quo Vadis score. Following the burning of Rome, 1:40 in "Tu Es Petrus". This scene, like "Shores of the Long Lake" also deals with the aftermath of a huge fire:http://youtu.be/b5oORXWrvbs?t=1m38sIt's not that it's a huge similarity, but but it was one of the big things that struck me in BotFA at first, definitely one of my favorite new themes!Isn't that the Jesu Lord melody? Yup it is! The orchestration and context of the sequence really connects it to BotFA for me though. I can hear that. When I first heard the Bard Leadership theme, the melodic contour reminded of one of the phrases of the Stoic theme from Shawshank: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Coolman! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 They're just saying they need a year or two to wind down, and hope that people forget about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 That and Gundabad were themes I thought were cut.Does Gundabad make it in?I think it does, though not the marching variant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 So has anyone else just been enjoying the soundtrack album as it is and not been just meticulously comparing it to the score as heard in the film? Me, it's a fine album that seems to have all the highlights.To paraphrase Tolkien: The Album is too short.Would anything but a complete score suffice?Not if I want that middle-earth feel! That and Gundabad were themes I thought were cut.Does Gundabad make it in?I think it does, though not the marching variantIt does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 alsoFrench Horn shire themewhen was this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted December 31, 2014 Author Share Posted December 31, 2014 http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2014/12/01/95354-a-clip-from-the-hobbit-the-battle-of-the-five-armies-features-bilbo-gandalf-and-thranduil/ Here's another clip. Nice shire statement on French horn, and subtle allusion to the ring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted December 31, 2014 Author Share Posted December 31, 2014 I win! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 oh right that bitno clue why they would leave that out on the albumbut then 'The Fallen' is all kinds of confusing when you compare the film sequence to the album sequence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Part of Bilbo's adventure (the theme at the beginning of Barrels out of Bond) is in there too at 0:35 I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 You think it's there because you want it to be there!This.And I think Shore was referring to one of the bits at the end, which is the likeliest candidate for incorporating the theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 You think it's there because you want it to be there!This.Do you guys even know what I am talking about?This is what I am talking about:https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9MWhKclV4T1NJRWM/view?usp=sharing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 That and Gundabad were themes I thought were cut.Does Gundabad make it in? I think it does, though not the marching variantThe most frustrating thing in the film for me is the non-scoring of the army leaving Gundabad, lead by the bats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 that cut was criminal yeahall that build-up and the music was clearly audible and then WHAM silenceother frustrations are few parts of Ravenhill/To the Death and Gandalfs theme from Ruins of Dale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 You think it's there because you want it to be there!This.Do you guys even know what I am talking about?This is what I am talking about:https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9MWhKclV4T1NJRWM/view?usp=sharingThe last two statements I can agree with, the first one is just the Shire theme, albeit a lovely rendition at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 that cut was criminal yeahall that build-up and the music was clearly audible and then WHAM silenceother frustrations are few parts of Ravenhill/To the Death and Gandalfs theme from Ruins of Dalethat cut was criminal yeahall that build-up and the music was clearly audible and then WHAM silenceother frustrations are few parts of Ravenhill/To the Death and Gandalfs theme from Ruins of DaleI'm not against editing music out of the film, IF it makes dramatic sense. I can agree on many edits made in LotR, for example cutting the big "Mettana" choir burst in Foundations of Stone, or cutting the interpolated Ring themes when Frodo stands on the crack of doom. Those make sense. Or when a scene is cut short at the last minute, and there is no time for rewrites, like in Theoden Rides Forth. That is fine too.But in BOTFA, those, often radical, edits don't make sense in the least. Also, for the eagles music, I think you can clearly hear that it was recorded in stems, and Jackson/edit team axed large parts of the orchestration.Maybe that's also a reason the mix sounds odd, because of the stem-approach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Hobbit CR discussions can't really begin for another year or two … and everyone is still coming down from work the OSTs right now anyway!https://twitter.com/DougAdamsMusic/status/550370992020021249Why am I not surprised? Oh, yes, that's right: that's because I'm not surprised!Is anyone with some idea how these things worked with LotR CRs surprised at this point that it might take a few years before they return to the idea of the Hobbit CRs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Weird, SE of the US edition seems to be out of stock (print)?Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Its a best seller! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 I got it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 It's probably just temporary. All the other soundtracks are in stock.I wanted to buy all three plus symphony sometime soon.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 I'll buy you a copy of this symphony then. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Mwa-ha-ha! His ears will now bleed out when he hears Howard Shore's lazy adaptation of film cues.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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