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[Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,429]

3 hours ago, AC1 said:

Marvelites and Disney worshippers just want to see DC die. Better yet, they want Disney to buy DC. 

Probably not true, because no matter how bad a Marvel project is they can reassure themselves when watching the last DC movie

[Mr. Who 919]

It feels like people still want to watch superhero movies but the excitement is not there as much as it was 5 years ago. I think superhero movies will still be a big thing for another 10 years or more but there won't be the same amount as there has been. I'm not sure if the addition of the marvel TV shows was a good idea in the long run. 

 

It feels like if Gunn manages to fix DC, it's like 5 years too late but who knows, maybe the slight marvel fatigue will work in DC's favor. 

[Yavar Moradi 2,576]

The Phase Four Marvel TV shows have by and large (maybe not She-Hulk lol) been much more consistent and better conceived than the Phase Four movies have been, Shang-Chi perhaps being an exception but I’d still have preferred to have a limited series for that in retrospect, and skip the big budget Marvel CGI third act…

 

Yavar

[Tallguy 3,359]

It would be nice if they would make Superman movies that people can take kids to. I don't have a lot of hope that Gunn is the solution to that problem.

[Goldfinger 59]

1 hour ago, Tallguy said:

It would be nice if they would make Superman movies that people can take kids to. I don't have a lot of hope that Gunn is the solution to that problem.

 

Gunn wrote the 2 live action Scooby Doo movies so he knows how to write for kids.  Also, his GOTG movies have a lot of heart beyond the jokes, and I think that will translate well to Superman. Obviously they want to appeal to as wide of an audience as possible, but I think the number one goal of the new DC films is to rebuild Superman to where he should be. Both the WB CEO and Gunn have stressed how important they find the character to be for the larger film landscape so I am hopeful that we will be getting a good representation of the man in blue. 

[Edmilson 7,367]

Giacchino's epic score fits really well on DC's chaotic situation:

 

[Tallguy 3,359]

Wow.

[A24 4,325]

 

On 21/12/2022 at 8:40 PM, Goldfinger said:

Gunn wrote the 2 live action Scooby Doo movies so he knows how to write for kids.  

 

There's a difference between movies you can watch with kids or movies written for kids. 

 

[Naïve Old Fart 9,489]

There is... but there shouldn't be.

[Tallguy 3,359]

6 hours ago, AC1 said:

 

 

There's a difference between movies you can watch with kids or movies written for kids. 

 

 

And believe me there's a difference between Toy Story and The Incredibles and Strawberry Shortcake.

[Naïve Old Fart 9,489]

I had to look-up Strawberry Shortcake, to make sure it wasn't some euphemism for preverts.

[A24 4,325]

You mean your finger was on the 'Alert Jay' button?

 

 

The Alert Jay button

[Naïve Old Fart 9,489]

Be the day, Alex. Jay is quite capable of alerting himself. There are many things I would alert Jay to, but Strawberry Shortcake isn't one of them.

Simply put, I wasn't sure what Strawberry Shortcake was, so looked it up. Turns out, it's a rather innocuous, animated telly show.

[Andy 4,071]

I just want to see a Superfriends film. 

[Edmilson 7,367]

1 hour ago, Andy said:

I just want to see a Superfriends film. 

It already exists, it's the 2017 theatrical cut of JL (aka Josstice League).

 

I'd argue that Josstice is the most kid-friendly movie of the DCEU, even more than Shazam!, which has some scary moments for little children.

[Tallguy 3,359]

12 minutes ago, Edmilson said:

It already exists, it's the 2017 theatrical cut of JL (aka Josstice League).

 

I'd argue that Josstice is the most kid-friendly movie of the DCEU, even more than Shazam!, which has some scary moments for little children.

 

And a strip club.

[Andy 4,071]

That wasn’t Superfriends.  Despite the ending with Gleek. 
 

I want a full on Flash Gordon style garish Superfriends movie.  Problem is, I’m the only one. 

[Jay 37,257]

Minor The Batman 2 update

 

https://collider.com/the-batman-2-matt-reeves-comments/

[JNHFan2000 2,940]

New trailer tomorrow

[Tallguy 3,359]

St. Patty's day? McShazam!

[rough cut 1,714]

Left side of the poster seems a little underused. 

[A24 4,325]

To understand why, you probably have to watch the movie. 

[Tallguy 3,359]

I didn't hate the first one. But Captain Marvel (dammit) was my absolute favorite superhero when I was growing up so it really needed to be better than that for me.

[JNHFan2000 2,940]

 

 

This does look fun. I really enjoyed the first. But I'm mostly watching this for Helen Mirren & Lucy Liu. Mostly because it's probably not going anywhere in the future

 

[Naïve Old Fart 9,489]

Give us us sequel!

It may be sassy, and it might even be better than the original (I don't know; I haven't watched it), but it doesn't appear to offer anything you haven't seen or heard, many, too many, times before. Apart from making a shit load of moolah, I honestly question why these kind of films are continuing to be made. Redundant and desensitizing, it, and the other films DCEU/MCU films before it, are cinematic dross.

[Nick1Ø66 4,687]

☑️ People flying

☑️ People falling

☑️ People flying catching people falling

☑️ People smashing people into walls

☑️ People getting smashed into walls

☑️ Electric bolts of electric magic being shot at people

☑️ Said bolts being deflected

☑️ Shots of people landing in "hero" stance

☑️ Heroes "assembling" shot

☑️ Villains emerging from rifts in the sky/ground

☑️ Villain in voice-over saying ominous/threatening things

☑️ Cars being thrown & overturned (cars MUST be thrown)

 ☑️ Scary looking CGI creatures doing CGI things

☑️ Third act massive destruction in major metropolitan city by scary looking CGI creatures doing CGI things and people flying around, falling, smashing into walls, throwing cars and sending magic electric bolts. Extras fleeing.

☑️ Sly pop-culture reference. Occasional quip/snarky humour to let us know we just don't take any of this as seriously as you do. Now, seriously give us your Dollars, Pounds, Euro, Yen & Yuan!

 

Rinse & repeat. And don't forget to put your phone on silent.

 

Never change Hollywood, never change.

 

 

 

[Faleel 5,326]

17 minutes ago, Nick1Ø66 said:

 

☑️ Cars being thrown & overturned (cars MUST be thrown)

 

It's tradition ya know

 

[Naïve Old Fart 9,489]

@Nick1Ø66,

You missed a couple:

 

People being thrown through walls.

 

People and CGI creatures being thrown through buildings, and out the other side.

 

Otherwise, bravo.

[rough cut 1,714]

3 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said:

Apart from making a shit load of moolah, I honestly question why these kind of films are continuing to be made.

Me thinks you answered your own question there.

[Naïve Old Fart 9,489]

7 hours ago, rough cut said:

Me thinks you answered your own question there.

I agree, but that is my point.

There is no worthwhile undertaking, with these films. There is no aesthetic quality to them. The only reason that they exist is to make money. Surely, that cannot be enough?

 

[rough cut 1,714]

Money talks… and for better or for worse, that’s how it is.
 

I agree that the superhero movie genre these days is way too unimaginative (ironic!, since it’s very origin comes from imagining the impossible) and formulaic (thanks, Marvel! ).

But there are so many movies out there, movies with story, morale, great acting and aesthetics… and then there are superhero blockbusters.

 

I haven’t seen Everything Everywhere All At Once (yet) but at least that seems to be an ‘artsy’ action movie. Since that one was a huge success, maybe more of its kind will follow. Is that what you feel is missing from the genre?

[Nick1Ø66 4,687]

4 minutes ago, rough cut said:

Money talks… and for better or for worse, that’s how it is.

 

Yes, money talks, and yes, that's how it is.

 

It’s not Hollywood’s fault, they’re doing what they’re designed to do, sell tickets. They’re being true to their nature. They sell tickets, we buy tickets. That's how we talk with our money, in which films we choose to buy tickets for. 

 

As long as they continue to serve dog food and fans eat it up like it's filet mignon, we're stuck with what we get, and are expected to enjoy it. Not only enjoy it, but be grateful for it. The fault lies with us. The cinema we get, we deserve. 

 

 

8 minutes ago, rough cut said:

I haven’t seen Everything Everywhere All At Once

Well then, there it is.

[Edmilson 7,367]

Judging by box office numbers, while 2022's superhero movies did mostly well (except Black Adam, sorry Dwayne Johnson), they were still behind two "normal", non-superhero blockbusters that were produced with a little more of care than your typical Marvel movie: Avatar 2 and Maverick.

 

While in 2002 the success of Spider-Man pointed that people were eager to embrace big budget spectacles based on comic books and in 2012 The Avengers showed that they wanted that interconnected storytelling, in 2022 it seems that nowadays the audience is hungry for more different, old-fashioned but meticulously crafted entertainment.

 

I argue that the MCU formula was pushed to its limits by Infinity War and Endgame. After that, a considerable part of the audience just phased out of superhero movies, in a way that the current MCU, with its complicated multiverse shenanigans and the additional burden of having to watch the Disney+ shows, now appeals mostly to diehards, while the casual fan, who helped some of these movies break box office records, now is more "wowed" by stuff like Maverick and TWOW.

 

But this is just how I feel, maybe it's truth, maybe it's not.

[Nick1Ø66 4,687]

1 hour ago, Edmilson said:

2022 it seems that nowadays the audience is hungry for more different, old-fashioned but meticulously crafted entertainment.

Yes. A surprising development, but a welcome one. Let’s hope it continues, and that Hollywood gets the message. 
 

With any luck, Iron Eagle 5 is that much closer to becoming a reality.

[A24 4,325]

Marvel or Avatar ... what's the difference? 

[Edmilson 7,367]

The difference is that Marvel movies are produced at an industrial scale, while with Avatar Cameron took his time to polish his sequels as much as he wanted to. I think there's more passion in its craft than with most MCU movies (and TV shows), where the directors do what Feige wants and leave for overworked VFX artists to figure out the biggest action scenes.

 

And I'm not saying I'm totally on #teamAvatar against Marvel. I love a few of their movies and prefer them to the Na'Vi saga. But tbh I felt The Way of Water was more interesting and well-crafted than any Phase 4 movie, while I haven't fall loved a superhero movie since 2019.

[A24 4,325]

What I mean is, in the end, they are both amusement park rides. If Marvel gets replaced with Avatar movies or some other big expensive CGI spectacle, nothing will have changed, IMO. 

 

While I'm not a fan of the Avatar ride, I did enjoy some of the Marvel spectacles. But, yeah, it's been a while since there has been a good one. 

 

 

 

[Dr. Rick 1,155]

 

[Jay 37,257]

 

Here's a summary of what he talks about if you don't want to watch it:

 

https://www.polygon.com/23578415/new-dc-movies-james-gunn-release-date-superman-batman-schedule-calendar-upcoming

[Disco Stu 15,495]

It feels nice to be feeling cautiously optimistic about a Superman movie, even if the only reason as of now is that Snyder is no where near it.

 

 

On 27/01/2023 at 1:20 AM, Edmilson said:

Avatar Cameron took his time to polish his sequels as much as he wanted to

 

artisanal bespoke farm-to-table tentpole film

[Naïve Old Fart 9,489]

At the very least, it looks more interesting than non-stop MCU gobshite.

Did  Cavill jump, or was he pushed?

 

Oh, dear. I clicked on the link, and it says - literally - "...Henry Cavill is still the best Superman"  

That made I larf!

[Disco Stu 15,495]

5 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said:

Did  Cavill jump, or was he pushed?

 

The word is that Gunn wanted to start fresh with a young cast (so probably a 20something Clark Kent relatively new to Metropolis)

[mstrox 6,637]

If you want me to be excited about your slate, say the words Booster Gold, imo.

 

I’m enthusiastic about some of the titles they’re working on, although his descriptions of the movies and series themselves didn’t excite me too much.  Might just be brand hesitance after the last 10 years or so.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

Just now, mstrox said:

his descriptions of the movies and series themselves didn’t excite me too much

 

Agreed, beyond the Superman film nothing here is exactly catching my eye.  The proof shall be in the pudding.

[Naïve Old Fart 9,489]

Hmm. Can't wait



[mstrox 6,637]

50 minutes ago, Jay said:

 

Here's a summary of what he talks about if you don't want to watch it:

 

https://www.polygon.com/23578415/new-dc-movies-james-gunn-release-date-superman-batman-schedule-calendar-upcoming

Read this in that article:

 

 

That last sentence is definitely erroneous!  Morrison’s run on Batman & Robin is pretty good, but couldn’t be further from the animated show in content (the show was about superhero team ups, where Morrison’s B&R was very Bat-family focused) or form (the show - which was tons of fun - was extremely goofy by design, while the Morrison books were well on the “dark” side of center).

 

What’s interesting about the slate is that it’s fairly risky. I would have expected WB to play it safe, given their current financial state and the lukewarm reception for Black Adam, but here they are launching a cinematic universe on the back of The Authority and Creature Commandos!  Whether it works for them or not, it goes to show that the new regime is passionate about the source material.

[Tallguy 3,359]

Brave and the Bold was amazing. Talk about your deep cuts into DC nerdery! They had Prez in an episode!

[mstrox 6,637]

I watched an episode thinking, “oh god they’re putting Batman on an island full of dinosaurs, this is gonna be dreadful!”  And I was hooked!  I think I looked forward to new episodes of Brave and the Bold more than any other (adult) shows during that run.

 

and then the next series went the exact opposite direction, the gritty dark batman who wants to fuck, in charmless 3D animation - and taaaaaanked

[Nick1Ø66 4,687]

The Superman concept seems promising. I'll be interested if they more thoroughly explore Supe's extraterrestrial origins, and portray him as the space alien he is. Snyder hinted at this, but I'd like to see it fully embraced.

 

Otherwise, 

[Edmilson 7,367]

Excited for Brave and the Bold (hopefully it's a Bat-family focused movie) and the Lanterns show. The rest I'll have to wait and see.