SafeUnderHill 205 Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 *Facepalm*What score is that from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 HOOK Dixon Hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I think I'd add "Light My Way" from Rosewood to my list. Its placement in the film is obtrusive and unintentionally comedic. It's not much better on album either.ROSEWOOD! Now that's a name I've not heard in a long time. A long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 *Facepalm*What score is that from?HOOKThe Face of Palm. Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig 1,120 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I think I'd add "Light My Way" from Rosewood to my list. Its placement in the film is obtrusive and unintentionally comedic. It's not much better on album either.ROSEWOOD! Now that's a name I've not heard in a long time. A long time.An elegant score for a more civilized age. That was before the dark times... before the Prequels. Gnome in Plaid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdwardHall 30 Posted October 20, 2014 Author Share Posted October 20, 2014 "Mutt's Theme" is actually quite nice as a scherzo. The problem is that it does not, in my opinion, complement the character. Mutt was supposed to be an homage to James Dean and Marlon Brando type characters from the 1950s, but his theme is very childish. This strikes me as odd considering that John Williams was composing during the era in which the film was set. Not that I have any experience in scoring films, but I think his theme should have been something jazzy and cool. Williams' certainly has experience with that kind of music from all his Johnny Williams years. Gnome in Plaid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Yes! Thanks for finally spelling it out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,653 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I understand the criticism of the appropriateness of mutt's theme from the point of the view of film criticism--I do not understand how that is relevant as it pertains to the music itself. At the end of the day, the only thing I judge a piece of music on is its acoustic aesthetic value. The adventures of mutt is a fun and exciting piece that is cleverly orchestrated. Whether it was meant for Hitler, Mutt, or William's goldfish makes no difference in terms of appraising the piece of music itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I agree with Tom 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 The Adventures of Mutt = Hook lite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I'd rather listen to the original Brahms piece than the Mutt dreck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I wish Williams had done something clever with "The Adventures of Mutt", like foreshadowing it with a similarly constructed theme with more of a 50's vibe to it. As is, it's still my favorite aspect of KOTCS and is a lot of fun to listen to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I understand the criticism of the appropriateness of mutt's theme from the point of the view of film criticism--I do not understand how that is relevant as it pertains to the music itself. At the end of the day, the only thing I judge a piece of music on is its acoustic aesthetic value. The adventures of mutt is a fun and exciting piece that is cleverly orchestrated. Whether it was meant for Hitler, Mutt, or William's goldfish makes no difference in terms of appraising the piece of music itself. It's a hoedown, more or less. Being 'cleverly orchestrated' is Williams' old-age answer to actually writing a great tune. He's writing little vignettes for the Boston Pops here more than anything else. Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome in Plaid 219 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 I'm probably the only one here who prefers Battle of the Heroes to both Duel of the Fates and Across the Stars. Yes the melody is simple, but that's its strength - it's like plainsong or organum with 20th century harmonies. Love the John Adamsish flourishes as well.I will say though, I prefer the variations in The Boys Continue.I actually agree with you. Of the three major prequel concert pieces, it's the least musically interesting, but something about it just goes straight to my core. I absolutely love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 I'm probably the only one here who prefers Battle of the Heroes to both Duel of the Fates and Across the Stars. Yes the melody is simple, but that's its strength - it's like plainsong or organum with 20th century harmonies. Love the John Adamsish flourishes as well.I will say though, I prefer the variations in The Boys Continue.I actually agree with you. Of the three major prequel concert pieces, it's the least musically interesting, but something about it just goes straight to my core. I absolutely love it.Agreed. Anakin's Betrayal should've been the chosen concert piece for the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Theme from Hook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Yeah, there were like fifteen. They were all tied for worst, right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Theme from Hook.Which one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 I didn't like that one, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 The album has three good tracks. Main Theme (that is not used in the film). We Don't Wanna Grow Up. Banning Back Home ... The rest of the is too Disney-esque. I did like it at one point but the music so overembellished that it makes me nervous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 The album has three good tracks. Main Theme (that is not used in the film). We Don't Wanna Grow Up. Banning Back Home ... The rest of the is too Disney-esque. I did like it at one point but the music so overembellished that it makes me nervous. It sounds like you listened to the first three tracks on the CD then fell asleep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,348 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Main Theme (that is not used in the film). Sure it is. Don't you notice that it's also in the OST track "Hook-Napped"? It further appears in the film during The Ultimate War. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 I'm surprised that there's so much negativity towards Hook on this board. Sure, it's not perfect but its still pretty damn good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Hook-Napped is one of the album's best imo. We Don't Wanna Grow Up makes me cringe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 The album has three good tracks. Main Theme (that is not used in the film). We Don't Wanna Grow Up. Banning Back Home ... The rest of the is too Disney-esque. I did like it at one point but the music so overembellished that it makes me nervous. It sounds like you listened to the first three tracks on the CD then fell asleep.Did you miss the part when I wrote that I once liked it? Main Theme (that is not used in the film). Sure it is. Don't you notice that it's also in the OST track "Hook-Napped"? It further appears in the film during The Ultimate War.The theme is used but not the Main Theme track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 We Don't Grow Up makes me cringe.You don't say.Sure it is. Don't you notice that it's also in the OST track "Hook-Napped"? It further appears in the film during The Ultimate War.The whole YOU ARE THE PAN cue revolves around this theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 The piano in the beginning of We Don't Wanna Grow Up is beautiful. Of course, the rest of the cue is a 'typical' school play song but I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Yeah but it's ultimately 10 seconds of shrilless middle-class American kids.Oh you edited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,348 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Main Theme (that is not used in the film). Sure it is. Don't you notice that it's also in the OST track "Hook-Napped"? It further appears in the film during The Ultimate War. The theme is used but not the Main Theme track.You're talking about the track called "Prologue", right? That was written and recorded for the film's first teaser trailer. This one: The whole YOU ARE THE PAN cue revolves around this theme.Nope, You Are The Pan uses a different them than the one in "Prologue" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 How can you tell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,348 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 How can who tell what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBard 71 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 You're talking about the track called "Prologue", right? That was written and recorded for the film's first teaser trailer. This one: My right ear was jealous of my left ear, and my left ear got a buzz out of it.Edit: Nevermind. My earphones weren't plugged in all the way. 90s VHS audio quality ftw.Also... that transposition up a half-step... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 How can who tell what?You don't know what theme he is talking about. You just guessed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,348 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 The trailer is playing at the right speed; The original OST version is the one at the wrong speed. It was incorrectly downmixed from 48khz to 44.1khz when mastering the original album. On the LLL set, the disc 1 version maintains that incorrect speed, but the alternate trailer cue on disc 2 features the original recording at it's original correct speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBard 71 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 The trailer is playing at the right speed; The original OST version is the one at the wrong speed. It was incorrectly downmixed from 48khz to 44.1khz when mastering the original album. On the LLL set, the disc 1 version maintains that incorrect speed, but the alternate trailer cue on disc 2 features the original recording at it's original correct speed.So... this version is the incorrect tempo and transposition? And the trailer you posted is the correct tempo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,348 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Correct and correct.The OST CD and Disc 1 of the LLL set is wrong; The trailer and Disc 2 of the LLL set is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBard 71 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Damn...Now I want the LLL set. Too bad it's sold out Nevermind. Found it on eBay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome in Plaid 219 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 For me, it's pretty much anything from JFK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Theme from Hook. Which one?prologueI like Banning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 For me, it's pretty much anything from JFK.I'm not a fan of the electronics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Theme from Hook. Which one?prologueI like BanningWe have learned from Jason that the prologue really only consists of one theme that starts after 30 seconds. Now only Alex must explain himself if he really hates that theme...or indeed the sugary HOME ALONE-like melody that actually is the main theme of the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBard 71 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 We have learned from Jason that the prologue really only consists of one theme that starts after 30 seconds. Now only Alex must explain himself if he really hates that theme...or indeed the sugary HOME ALONE-like melody that actually is the main theme of the film.Yeah, I have to agree. It's rather saccharine, even in the minor key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 We have learned from Jason that the prologue really only consists of one theme that starts after 30 seconds. Now only Alex must explain himself if he really hates that theme...or indeed the sugary HOME ALONE-like melody that actually is the main theme of the film. I meant Prologue. It sounds like it's the main theme for Hook but somehow it isn't the main theme, right? Very odd. I'm sure it's written as a main theme, just like Star Wars, Raiders, Superman, ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 These are actually two themes, the minor mode call to adventure theme opening it and a bright swashbuckling tune more in keeping with Korngold. Both were written prior to the score proper and Williams inserted them in the movie at some key places (Peter's first flight, the whole war sequence) while probably discovering that the sweet theme he labelled GRANNY WENDY on the soundtrack was actually much more fitting for the more syrupy scenes of the movie. They first ones are not really the film's main theme though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Yes, but I'm sure Williams wrote it with "main theme" in mind. Pure instinctively and thus without knowing the background, it sounds like one. It even opens the album, just like Star Wars, Superman and Raiders. I always considered Granny's Theme to be a character theme. Williams probably expected a different movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbrannon47 0 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Speaking of fugues, John Williams "Fugue for Changing Times" from his 1985 batch of NBC music is absolutely terrific. The only recording I have is from an awful, compressed YouTube version, but it's much better than nothing.There's a high quality version over at www.networknewsmusic.com! Victor has so much great stuff put together. Great site.http://www.networknewsmusic.com/wp/before-hours-close-the-mission-part-ii/Only think no one can seem to find is the NEW Meet The Press theme (2011 onward). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Either way it's terrible. Home Alone> Hook. Since Pub made a comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Yes. But while HOOK is very derivative and indeed too childish in places i cannot hate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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