crocodile 7,984 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 So the 2010 album is a keeper then. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwalk713 40 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 So the 2010 album is a keeper then.KarolAbsolutely. If for no other reason than the mono version of 'Joker's Commercial.' And for me, just because I enjoy having multiple mixes of the same pieces for comparison and ear training. As for this new release-- it should be fairly apparent that I am enthralled by it. After 72 hours of non-stop listening, I have but two matters that are of a less than stellar nature-- 'Main Title,' and 'Showdown I.' Simply, I think there is much more reverb on both of these pieces than any other in the presentation. When compared with the rest of the score, they stick out quite a bit. I'm sure that there is an explanation for this, and it really isn't a complaint, mind you. Just an observation. 'Main Title Alt. 2' seems to have the more favorable, consistent mix. It is SO similar to 'Main Title' in orchestration, tempo and presentation (so much so that I wondered if it was actually the same take just mixed SLIGHTLY differently), that I may just move it to first position on the playlist. Nevertheless-- this is my definitive 'Batman' release.And of course-- 'Batman Returns' is magnificent. Creepy, romantic, lush, exciting and beautiful. Together, they comprise my favorite works of Elfman, followed closely by 'Pee-wee's Big Adventure' and 'Beetlejuice.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 These were a couple of notes I made about the previous release. I presume the album/film version of the Batman theme is a composite of that take and another.- Batman: Album Version from 0:00-1:20 and 2:20-end = Alternate 2 on the LLL:Around 1:20 it’s different from Alternate 2 (a give-away is the error in Alternate 2 around 1:31); I’m not sure where Alternate 2 kicks in again (I think around 2:20).- In the very last beat of the Album Version there seems to be a kind of ‘hiccup’ that isn’t there in Alternate 2 (perhaps some form of clipping again during mastering?).- Batman: the Film Version is just a film mix of the album version (it’s the same recording I think) – except perhaps for the clipped section, which also seems to be shortened by less than half a second at the very beginning of that section (notice the first of the pairs of beats coming in half a second earlier than the album version).I think it's probably just the same recording, but it’s been clipped either due to amplifying that part (because of the different mix) or to micro-editing it.It's also possible they mixed in an insert from another recording of course. (Just like the part between 1:20 and approx. 2:20 of the album version may be an insert? It's certainly not from either Alternate 1 or 2.)- Alternate 1 seems to be the only true (entire) alternate available of the Batman theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 So if I am not obsessively compulsive about the Batman music, will this new set be OK for me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksparrow900 32 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 I just purchase this I also have 2010 album. Are all the other tracks the same besides the ones mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwalk713 40 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 The track listings are the same, of course. But every track has something new to offer now, both in terms of sound quality, and instruments/elements that have previously not been present on an album, or only present in the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 I'm confused, those instruments/elements that you've mentioned a few times and which are in the film, are they on this new album and not on the 2010 album, or are they not on this new album but they were on the 2010 album because it used film stems?Also, did you compare it to the E/B box? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,302 Posted December 12, 2014 Author Share Posted December 12, 2014 Yea, there's basically 4 versions of a lot of cues out there now (OST, 2010 LLL, E/B box, 2014 LLL). Lot of comparing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwalk713 40 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Sorry! My excitement can make me sputter a bit. The instruments/elements ARE on this release- either never having been previously heard (by me), or having ONLY been heard in the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksparrow900 32 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Wasn't most of the cues in the Elfman Box Set the album versions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwalk713 40 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 These were a couple of notes I made about the previous release. I presume the album/film version of the Batman theme is a composite of that take and another.- Batman: Album Version from 0:00-1:20 and 2:20-end = Alternate 2 on the LLL:Around 1:20 it’s different from Alternate 2 (a give-away is the error in Alternate 2 around 1:31); I’m not sure where Alternate 2 kicks in again (I think around 2:20).- In the very last beat of the Album Version there seems to be a kind of ‘hiccup’ that isn’t there in Alternate 2 (perhaps some form of clipping again during mastering?).- Batman: the Film Version is just a film mix of the album version (it’s the same recording I think) – except perhaps for the clipped section, which also seems to be shortened by less than half a second at the very beginning of that section (notice the first of the pairs of beats coming in half a second earlier than the album version).I think it's probably just the same recording, but it’s been clipped either due to amplifying that part (because of the different mix) or to micro-editing it.It's also possible they mixed in an insert from another recording of course. (Just like the part between 1:20 and approx. 2:20 of the album version may be an insert? It's certainly not from either Alternate 1 or 2.)- Alternate 1 seems to be the only true (entire) alternate available of the Batman theme.I somehow missed this today. Awesome breakdown, and I think you're exactly right. On all points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Why are there so many versions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 I think my point is that there are actually less versions than everyone assumes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 I think my point is that there are actually less versions than everyone assumes.Maybe he meant as to why there are several cues out there with different mixes.Just remember the ones from the previous Batman set from LLL is the mixes actually used in the film and are different compared to this reissue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 The mixes all sound different to me, but I think I prefer the first La-La Land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwalk713 40 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 They are indeed different. I think 'Shootout,' 'Descent Into Mystery' and 'Batwing II/III' sound closer to the film mixes in this new set than in previous versions, but that's just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,302 Posted December 13, 2014 Author Share Posted December 13, 2014 That's what I was trying to say, it's ridiculous to simply say "release a is better than release b" when track by track the source used to make it changes. What I'm saying is, someone needs to make a difinitive list of each cue and which version of it they prefer and why (IE which one has more instruments or whatever) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 They are indeed different. I think 'Shootout,' 'Descent Into Mystery' and 'Batwing II/III' sound closer to the film mixes in this new set than in previous versions, but that's just me."Shootout" from the previous release is definitely the original film mix the piano overlay heard through out most of the track is the give away, it's not present with the re-issued version. If it is there it's mixed very low...However for the other three tracks I definitely agree that they sound closer to their film version mixes with the re-issue.Edit: I was informed that the mixes for this re-issue are the film versions...especially for "Shootout". So I retract my statements on it and I was wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Got this. Sounds fantasmo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Got this. Sounds fantasmo.Indeed! If fantasmo means awesome that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Cinematica fantasmo orgasmo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Magnifico! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwalk713 40 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 They are indeed different. I think 'Shootout,' 'Descent Into Mystery' and 'Batwing II/III' sound closer to the film mixes in this new set than in previous versions, but that's just me."Shootout" from the previous release is definitely the original film mix the piano overlay heard through out most of the track is the give away, it's not present with the re-issued version. If it is there it's mixed very low...However for the other three tracks I definitely agree that they sound closer to their film version mixes with the re-issue.Edit: I was informed that the mixes for this re-issue are the film versions...especially for "Shootout". So I retract my statements on it and I was wrong...There are 2 moments in 'Shootout' that sound especially close to the film: 1:20- The first bold statement of the Batman Theme-- listen for the more distinct harp stroke as the melody climbs, and a more pronounced timpani pound/roll; and at 3:15 (the moment that Bob the goon turns the gun on Gordon)-- again, distinctive harp pluckings, and tiny bells/chimes played frenetically over the suspenseful chords, as Batman slowly lowers Napier to the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,302 Posted December 23, 2014 Author Share Posted December 23, 2014 It has been discovered that our first pressing of THE DANNY ELFMAN BATMAN COLLECTION has a minor audio flaw on Disc 4. On Track 1 of Disc 4, at 6:21, there is a slight sonic defect. This will be corrected on all future repressings of this title. If you have a Disc 4 with the Track 1 flaw and wish a replacement disc. Please e-mail info@lalaland-ent.com with the subject heading BATMAN DISC 4 REPLACEMENT and make sure you include your name and exact mailing address in the body of your e-mail. We will begin sending out replacement discs in mid January 2015, when we get them in stock. http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=107041&forumID=1&archive=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Oh my disc has this defect. Informed my sister of this so she can get a replacement. Nothing major, just a minor thing.Other than that, I'm happy with the improvement on Batman. There is a considerable difference in how it sounds and clean ending on Batwing I is most welcome.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,823 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Disc 4 is the 2nd disc of Batman Returns?So, that means that they will stop selling now the current boxes and wait until repress them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 They never manufacture all the units at once. I think they will ship out all the remaining units as they are and will replace discs once they're pressed. And I bet they will just attach extra disc to any set shipped after mid-January.At least, that's what I would do.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Yeah I noticed the defect on my 4th disc too. Great that they are offering replacement disc. Although my 4th disc has several flaws on the first track not just the one mentioned in the above LLL post. E.g. another one 1:28 into the track and another at 3:07. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Not sure why these faults exist. It's just a reprint of an existing CD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Hey, just relax. I'll take care of the squealing, wretched pinhead puppets of JWFan! crocodile and Incanus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 I didn't say that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 LLL just sent me a replacement copy of the 4th disc. Quite on schedule as they mentioned it was mid-January when they got the new batch from the plant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 I got my replacement for CD 4 of this set yesterday. Great and quick service as usual LLL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBard 71 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 I got my replacement for CD 4 of this set yesterday. Great and quick service as usual LLL. What was wrong with the first Disc 4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 The first pressing had some clipping on the first track of the disc 4. LLL naturally sent replacement copy to those who had a faulty disc. See previous page of this thread for more info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,302 Posted January 21, 2015 Author Share Posted January 21, 2015 I got my replacement for CD 4 of this set yesterday. Great and quick service as usual LLL. What was wrong with the first Disc 4?http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=24916&p=1076243 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBard 71 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Already read it. Thank you for the link all the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 I got my replacement disc today. Karol Incanus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 With you BBoal I can't quite tell if you are being extemely sarcastic or having some kind of spastic seizure.I got my replacement disc today. KarolHaving those few small mistakes on the 4th disc lost me a lot of sleep over the past month I can tell you. After I got my disc my life returned to normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Incanus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 With you BBoal I can't quite tell if you are being extemely sarcastic or having some kind of spastic seizure.I don't like sarcasm It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere.Everything here at JWFan is soft and smooth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,740 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Everything is awesome!...including this set. Sounds fantastic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Everything is awesome!...including this set. Sounds fantastic!That it does. Batman Returns has risen immeasurably in my eyes (and ears) after delving into the complete score with this set. And yeah the complete Batman score doesn't sound too shabby now either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 With you BBoal I can't quite tell if you are being extemely sarcastic or having some kind of spastic seizure.I don't like sarcasm It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere.Oh BloodBoal, you shouldn't have. Don't know what to say.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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crocodile 7,984 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Awwww this lovefest is adorable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RedBard 71 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Wut abowtz me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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