Will 2,215 Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 Well, I'll see if he replies. Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,355 Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 I saw the film, need to see it again on Blu Ray but I don't remember any "I strike now" xD Strange if it's the same guy, must be a troll. The total length is not even 387 seconds long soooo Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 4 minutes ago, ChewyBomber said: I saw the film, need to see it again on Blu Ray but I don't remember any "I strike now" xD Strange if it's the same guy, must be a troll. He's added some clearly legitimate info lately, though, as well, on Star Wars. Hmmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 Without a citation I wouldn't even consider believing that info Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 23 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Without a citation I wouldn't even consider believing that info Well, the actual track list has no source either. Still kind of doubt it's real, but it's worth asking the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 I think the guy who edited the Wiki page is probably a JWFAN lurker who saw Will's enthusiasm for the score and wanted to mindfuck him. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 He he he... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Well, I never got a response back from the guy so we still have no idea what the deal is. I will say that it's plausible to imagine that dialogue tracks could have been discussed by the production -- after all, people here have said the film seemed like a musical. Perhaps including dialogue tracks on album would have helped hammer home that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,615 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 then the soundtrack gods have saved us Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 796 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Saw the film yesterday. Loved it and such an immersive experience. I found the score stood out, especially the main theme. Each time it appeared, it gave me chills. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 I've always regretted not seeing this in theaters a second time. The first time, I hadn't listened to the OST other than samples, and, as you can imagine given how much of a grower this one was, it didn't make a very good impression on me. Sure, there were some really, really cool things about this method, but I at least wish I'd seen the film again with the OST firmly ingrained. It's wonderful when you can spend a few days appreciating the music and then be amazed at the context. Also, this allows you to spot unreleased music much easier. Of course, now I can watch on home video, but it's not quite the same. It's possible, I suppose, that a score such as Fantastic Beasts would have made more of an impression if I'd first experienced it in the film then the BFG did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,384 Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Yay! THE BFG finally arrived in my mailbox. It only took me, like, half a year. Looking forward to delving into it and see if my lukewarm first impressions were unwarranted. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chewy 2,355 Posted December 10, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 10, 2016 I just watched THE BFG again and I noticed something really cool when BFG makes Queen's Nightmare: I love how Williams put almost all the themes of the movie in this scene. Starting with the nightmare's theme and then some others: when BFG adds giants to the dream, we hear Giants' theme. When he adds the army, we hear the army motif. And the same happens with Sophie and her theme. And the result sounds really good! fuhrsy31, Pieter Boelen, Will and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted December 11, 2016 Author Share Posted December 11, 2016 That's why its one of the best tracks on the album! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Yes that is one of the zestiest pieces on the album! I have admit that my appreciation of the score has improved in this little under half a year since I first heard it. There are genuinely lovely emotional moments in there, especially toward the end of the album. It might be sentimental writing but there is that charming storybook atmosphere to the finale of the score, a musical "And they lived happily ever after" that I find irresistable. Williams does it perhaps better than any other film composer, that warm fuzzy feeling of a happy ending and closure. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 It is slight but the 'Dream Country' cue (and some of the ensuing, more concertant stuff) is nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 There is something delightfully anachronistic in this film, imho. It's not one of Spielberg's best by a long shot, but it's probably one of his most straightforward in recent times. It's really a 1940s Disney animated film remade with modern technology. Williams' music follows this aesthetic perfectly. It's a child's film and the music fits accordingly. It's surely not something for the ages like E.T., but I think it's a deep breath of fresh air in the current landscape of kiddie fare made essentially of relentless gags and punchlines. Will and Disco Stu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Yes. It does feel very old school. These days family animation is more "grown up", more self aware. There's something delightfully pure about The BFG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 I really hope it finds an audience on home video/streaming. I could see it being one of those childrens' cult classics that was a box office failure in theaters, kinda like The Witches, another Dahl adaptation, was for my generation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,384 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 I've listened to the album twice now after I got the CD, and my initial Spotify impressions still stand -- this is whimsical x 10 (typical of most Williams in the 2010s really), and not very engaging as a coherent listening experience. But I'll be giving it more chances in the time to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,355 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 On 12/12/2016 at 3:36 PM, Thor said: I've listened to the album twice now after I got the CD, and my initial Spotify impressions still stand -- this is whimsical x 10 (typical of most Williams in the 2010s really), and not very engaging as a coherent listening experience. But I'll be giving it more chances in the time to come. That's what I thought first, but as you said, after some listenings, the score becomes great (same happened to me with TFA). Now I like BFG score more than Tintin and maybe TFA... fuhrsy31 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,739 Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 I'm looking at 2016's scores for my top 10 list, and I think BFG may be my favourite score, which is a little surprising. It's between that and Fantastic Beasts, but I think BFG's album is an all round better listening experience. There have been no 5 star scores in 2016 for me but some strong 4 stars. The BFG may be firmly within JW's comfort zone but it is still great music. Can't think of any other score in 2016 that is both as technically and emotionally proficient as this. Nemesis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Will 2,215 Posted January 3, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 3, 2017 Just noticed this Burlingame article about temp tracks, time spent composing, and recording orchestra sections separately. Contains a Williams quote, plus quotes from other composers including Silvestri and JNH: Composers Compete for Oscar With Fresh Tunes, New Technology http://variety.com/2016/artisans/awards/composers-compete-for-oscar-with-fresh-tunes-new-technology-fantastic-beasts-and-where-to-find-them-1201940274/ Quote One of the most talked-about trends in film music is the relatively new practice of “striping” — recording sections of the orchestra separately to give filmmakers greater control of the score during dubbing (the final mix of dialogue, sound effects, and score). Brass is recorded separately from strings, woodwinds from brass, and so on. Veteran composers disapprove. “I wouldn’t be able to achieve what I wanted with the orchestra if I had to do it that way,” says John Williams, composer of last summer’s “The BFG.” “The players really need to hear each other. When an orchestra plays together, they’re inspired by what’s going on around them. The violas have to match the horns in pitch and articulation, for example. It can all be done in layers, but I don’t think it’s ever going to quite have the emotional impact, or conviction, or character of the piece.” Adds the five-time Oscar winner, “A conductor can create a variety of sounds and characteristics [if the orchestra plays together]. It’s not possible the other way; it’s going to be, in some sense, clinical.” Has this been posted? It's been out for a while, so I wouldn't be surprised... Pieter Boelen, Marcus and Disco Stu 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 I'm sure NeoNeoJWfan disagrees and actually thinks it's better to record every single performer in complete isolation so they can be more effectively mixed in with the sampled track. Right TGP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Will and I and others who have joined in the past year or so are AltJWFan Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Will 2,215 Posted January 14, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 14, 2017 @Jay, @crumbs, and @The Psycho Pianist, here's my attempt at an "Overture" score restore: https://www.dropbox.com/s/8dtnn6n4s8lafhn/The BFG - Overture (Score Restore).mp4?dl=0 It's a little different than what you did, Psycho Pianist. I thought the "flying"-y music would start at the castle's appearance, for instance, not the first firework (although actually this is very debatable, who knows). It's a little puzzling - either way, it ends after the opening titles have started (less so in my version, though). Perhaps the space between the two things was shortened when they decided to axe JW's cue? Or perhaps that's just how it's supposed to be? There are some really, really awesome things here. If indeed Williams intended it for this scene, my appreciation for it has gone up so much - and I already loved it! For instance, right when the little fairy dust or whatever it is makes the arch right before the Disney logo appears, there's a wicked harp gliss! Wow - lovely mickey-mousing! Thanks so much Crumbs for pointing this out. I'd really like to believe that JW did indeed intend this, and there is quite a bit of evidence for that - although in that case it does puzzle me why Spielberg would ditch that in favor of various logos' individual music which doesn't work so well together. Maybe he didn't want lushly orchestrated new music before the quiet opening to become a distraction? But then why not make the logos silent? Maybe they thought When You Wish Upon a Star had more power? Maybe companies wanted their own music used? Anyway, this is the kind of thing that makes being a JWFan so fun! EDIT: Also, I just realized that repeating the same music at the beginning and end of the film could have been very intentional on JW's part and not just "Oh I like that overture music, let's use it in the credits." Taikomochi, Alex and The Psycho Pianist 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,272 Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 I've read an unconfirmed report The BFG had different studio logos at the start depending on what region it was distributed in (which makes sense, as different distributors often handle the film in different markets). Thus the Williams scored overture no longer lined up with international releases of the film, and they decided to abandon the idea for the sake of consistency. Just a hunch. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted January 14, 2017 Author Share Posted January 14, 2017 That's doesn't fit in this case because Disney was the distributor in all regions, and all the logos after Disney's are production companies not distributors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,355 Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 Nope. I remember being surprised to not see Disney logo but Metropolitan's one instead when I saw the movie in France. It's the same for the Blu Ray, no Disney: https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B01L7Q7LQG/ Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,272 Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 Interesting. I thought Disney was the primary production company but they appear to only be distributors in certain markets, according to iMDB: Quote Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures (2016) (USA) (Argentina) (Australia) (Singapore) (theatrical) Cinecolor Films (2016) (Chile) (theatrical) Columbia Pictures (2016) (Philippines) (theatrical) Constantin Film (2016) (Germany) (theatrical) Entertainment One Benelux (2016) (Belgium) (Netherlands) Entertainment One (2016) (Australia) (Canada) (UK) (theatrical) Metropolitan Filmexport (2016) (France) (theatrical) NOS Audiovisuais (2016) (Portugal) (theatrical) Odeon (2016) (Greece) (theatrical) Reliance Entertainment (2016) (India) (theatrical) Walt Disney Studios Japan (2016) (Japan) (theatrical) Walt Disney Studios Sony Pictures Releasing (WDSSPR) (2016) (Russia) (theatrical) eOne Films (2016) (Spain) (theatrical) Pinema (2016) (Turkey) (all media) Blitz Film & Video Distribution (2016) (Slovenia) (theatrical) Ascot Elite Entertainment Group (2016) (Switzerland) (all media) Nordisk Film (2016) (Finland) (all media) I didn't see the film theatrically so I've got no idea what logos were used in Australia, but all the home video releases are labelled with Disney logos. Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 10 hours ago, Jay said: That's doesn't fit in this case because Disney was the distributor in all regions, and all the logos after Disney's are production companies not distributors. Well, that's the thing - even Disney in this case was actually a production company! (and they did distribute in at least a few countries too) So why wouldn't they be credited? .... 9 hours ago, Chewy said: Nope. I remember being surprised to not see Disney logo but Metropolitan's one instead when I saw the movie in France. It's the same for the Blu Ray, no Disney: https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B01L7Q7LQG/ .... but this is very interesting, Chewy. Seems to back up @crumbs' theory. Great works Crumbs figuring that out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,355 Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 @Will I saw your edit and "Overture" works very well with the images. I'm pretty sure Williams intended it for it (maybe without knowing there would be different distributors, I don't know). Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,272 Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 Might be as simple as someone from Reliance or Walden Media not wanting original music over their company logos. I can't imagine Amblin (Spielberg's company) or Disney would have minded. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 Anyone know who did the Reliance logo music? I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 I just saw this Chinese Williams site and translated a BFG article to English. Hilarity ensued. http://www.johnwilliams.top/cannes-1189/ CANNES PREMIERE "ROUND DREAM GIANT" MUSIC SELECTION AUDITION May 14, 2016 Cannes Film Festival, Stevens Spielberg directed the film THE BFG ( Dream Giant ) premiere after the end of the red carpet ritual scene video, 11 minutes 07 seconds to start the background music for John William An excuse for the soundtrack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,382 Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 What do you think, is there any chance one of his announced future scores will be a little bit edgier than his other post-indy-4-stuff? I mean more like WotW, MR or TLW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,235 Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 I guess any of them could be....no way of knowing. We've seen nothing from Ready Player One or The Last Jedi and the others haven't even started filming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 No! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Joni Wiljami 1,205 Posted February 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 13, 2020 We just wanted to celebrate Johnnys 88th birthday and decided to watch something he scored, ended up with BFG which was perfect for our youngest, 7 year old. The dubbed version was so great, Dahl's brilliant language worked perfectly, or even better in this finnish version. I loved this music when it came out (and it was a highlight in Chicago and London live) but now after seeing this again, I have to say it is one of his best in 2010' right after The Book Thief. I read Incanus' rewiev and he said JW has done this many times, NO. This is something special.That woodwind writing when they were catching the dreams😍😍 Works wonderfully with the movie. So much underrated. No surprise here. crumbs, Gurkensalat, Tydirium and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Arpy 4,145 Posted February 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 13, 2020 It's a score that keeps on giving. I remember feeling underwhelmed with both the score and the film but now I put it on and hear a whole different world. Will, Gurkensalat, Tydirium and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom 4,610 Posted February 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 13, 2020 It is a magical, throwback score to a movie whose non-ironic innocence is just not in vogue in modern Hollywood children's films. I think the concert suite is as good as any piece of the last 20 years. crlbrg, Joni Wiljami, Will and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,166 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 "Frolic" is not talked about nearly enough. What a great little piece; if half of the track wasn't build-up to the main tune, I'd say it's encore-worthy, for concerts. EDIT: I especially love the little timpani "boing" at 1:30. Joni Wiljami and crlbrg 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gurkensalat 336 Posted February 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 13, 2020 10 hours ago, Arpy said: It's a score that keeps on giving. I remember feeling underwhelmed with both the score and the film but now I put it on and hear a whole different world. This thread resurrection together with the recent Tintin appreciation thread shows that the Williams scores from the 2010s have often been talked down too much after release. The music is not always as immediately accessible as some earlier soundtracks, but they reveal a complexity that rewards repeated listening. Edmilson, crlbrg, Timo Martikainen and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlastoEls 554 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Agreed with these; I find Tintin and BFG more impactful as time passes. crlbrg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,205 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 5 hours ago, Gurkensalat said: This thread resurrection together with the recent Tintin appreciation thread shows that the Williams scores from the 2010s have often been talked down too much after release. The music is not always as immediately accessible as some earlier soundtracks, but they reveal a complexity that rewards repeated listening. Indeed!! I was just about the write exactly same story. BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Incanus 5,713 Posted February 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 14, 2020 On 2/13/2020 at 3:19 AM, hornist said: I read Incanus' rewiev and he said JW has done this many times, NO. This is something special.That woodwind writing when they were catching the dreams😍😍 Works wonderfully with the movie. So much underrated. No surprise here. As I say in my earlier comment above, my estimation of this score has gone up from my initial reaction to it but I think it cannot be denied that Williams has done this style of kiddie flick scoring many times before. Parts of this score sound stylistically if not in melodic content very much like Home Alone, Hook or Harry Potter. I guess it is his "children's" voice with which he addresses movies involving children and child-like situations. I am certainly not saying that there are no singular ideas in the BFG as e.g. the prominent woodwind writing for the dreams and catching dreams is very effective and new and lovely. There are several little melodies that I find absolutely endearing, like the leaping waltzing travelling theme, the forlorn piano melody denoting loneliness on the The Witching Hour and There Was a Boy tracks, Sophie's theme and the BFG's own gentle tune or the whimsical Dream Jars and Dream Country with those prominent flute parts. Williams has always been a master at conjuring the storybook ending feeling of "and they lived happily ever after" and the Finale is another great example of that. Also this score is the woodwind antidote to all the modern film scoring which seems to shun the entire woodwind family at times. The flute writing is definitely a highlight. Smeltington, Joni Wiljami, Tydirium and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,166 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Which theme exactly is Sophie's Theme? Is that the main theme or...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,272 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 It's the one that sounds like the Lincoln theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 7 hours ago, Tydirium said: Which theme exactly is Sophie's Theme? Is that the main theme or...? What I call Sophie's Theme is first heard in the Witching Hour at 2:08 on clarinet: As another example you can hear it clearly at the end of the Finale: Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,268 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 One of my favorite themes is this score is Nightmare theme Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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