Saxman717 22 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 With the new Star Wars digital release has come a new intro fanfare for Lucasfilm, to replace the legacy Fox fanfare. Here it is: I had just finished listening to the End Credits of the Empire Strikes Back soundtrack right before listening to this. That ending was absolutely my favorite Star Wars ending out of all 6 films and is one of my favorite musical moments of all time. They begin this fanfare with that ending, and it really throws me for a loop (in a bad way). My gut reaction to this new intro arrangement is: 1) Doesn't sound like an intro, since the entire sequence is a hodge-podge of Star Wars end credits endings. 2) Cheapens the brilliant ending of ESB by making this the beginning of every Lucasfilm film, past and present, from this point onward. 3) Sounds like an extremely amateur edit, and almost as cringe-worthy as Kevin Kiner's intro music for The Clone Wars and Rebels. After listening to it about 10 times, it grew on me ever so slightly, and I'm sure I will accept it over time, but it begs the question: Why edit together existing music (and end credits music at that) instead of having your Greatest of All Time composer, John Williams, compose a NEW intro while he is working on the Episode VII soundtrack? It is 15-20 seconds worth of music ---- surely, John could come up with some infinitely better and more appropriate than this in an afternoon of composing. There's still hope that he actually does do this for Episode VII, but for continuity I expect them to take the easy way out and use this.....*sigh*.......Disney............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 It's rubbish! Does Star Wars have this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stempel 136 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Maybe it is only for the Download-Collection and Williams composed a new fanfare for The Force Awakens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 It's rubbish!Does Star Wars have this?No, because Fox still owns the distribution rights to that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 For the moment.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxman717 22 Posted April 10, 2015 Author Share Posted April 10, 2015 Maybe it is only for the Download-Collection and Williams composed a new fanfare for The Force Awakens.That is now "our only hope".................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Awefull.I'm not a musical expert, but I think the two sections seems not to be in the same key, so the collage seems very unatural.No professional composer could write this.Obi Wan Kenobi: That's no music…it's a collage. Han: It's too big to be a collage. Luke: I have a very bad feeling about this. Gnome in Plaid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 For the moment....For eternity! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 I'm sure SW7 wont have this because it will actually have the Disney Logo in front.So either they will go with whatever logo music they have now, or do a custom made one, hopefully composed newly by JW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 I'm not a musical expert, but I think the two sections are not in the same key, so the collage seems very unatural.No professional composer could write this.There's only recently been a discussion about the ending of the REVENGE OF THE SITH Finale cue and the beginning of the End Credits cue not being written in the same key, really .I'm sure SW7 wont have this because it will actually have the Disney Logo in front.So either they will go with whatever logo music they have now, or do a custom made one, hopefully composed newly by JW.They could have the first cue already beginning over the logos as well, but I'm not sure whether Disney has done this recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 I hope someday Rupert Murdoch buys back Star Wars and finally the proper logo will be restored in all the films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,649 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 This sounds like a mess. Hopefully just a placeholder until Williams gets in the studio for a new fanfare (or at least something that isn't created editorially)I'm sure SW7 wont have this because it will actually have the Disney Logo in front.There hasn't been a Disney logo in front of Marvel movies, so I doubt that will be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 It's a rubbish choice and edit.Someone should have Thomas Newman compose new logo music! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 With the new Star Wars digital release has come a new intro fanfare for Lucasfilm, to replace the legacy Fox fanfare. Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWSuCxqBBqk I had just finished listening to the End Credits of the Empire Strikes Back soundtrack right before listening to this. That ending was absolutely my favorite Star Wars ending out of all 6 films and is one of my favorite musical moments of all time. They begin this fanfare with that ending, and it really throws me for a loop (in a bad way). My gut reaction to this new intro arrangement is: 1) Doesn't sound like an intro, since the entire sequence is a hodge-podge of Star Wars end credits endings. 2) Cheapens the brilliant ending of ESB by making this the beginning of every Lucasfilm film, past and present, from this point onward. 3) Sounds like an extremely amateur edit, and almost as cringe-worthy as Kevin Kiner's intro music for The Clone Wars and Rebels. After listening to it about 10 times, it grew on me ever so slightly, and I'm sure I will accept it over time, but it begs the question: Why edit together existing music (and end credits music at that) instead of having your Greatest of All Time composer, John Williams, compose a NEW intro while he is working on the Episode VII soundtrack? It is 15-20 seconds worth of music ---- surely, John could come up with some infinitely better and more appropriate than this in an afternoon of composing. There's still hope that he actually does do this for Episode VII, but for continuity I expect them to take the easy way out and use this.....*sigh*.......Disney............ http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=23404&p=1111978 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Frankly, they should have just left it silent. rpvee and Bespin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 That would be preferable to this, yea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,490 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 I think it's pretty neat, but I don't understand why they felt they had a need to do this. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 You think it's pretty neat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Being broke has nothing to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,649 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Well they had to "fix it" because the previous version of the movies had the 20th Century Fox logo playing over the Lucasfilm logo...and 20th Century Fox is out of the picture on 5/6 of the movies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Before you know it, any reference to Fox will be omitted from any future SW history books.This Disney is a monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Well they had to "fix it" because the previous version of the movies had the 20th Century Fox logo playing over the Lucasfilm logoIt's exactly this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 They could not start the Lucasfilm logo without any audio? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 But that's not the same as being broke. When your favorite sports player is traded to a different team and has to start wearing their colors, is he broke? Gnome in Plaid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 They could not start the Lucasfilm logo without any audio?Sure they could, but probably someone felt it needed to have some kind of Star Wars-y music going with it.I'm quite confident JW will compose the official LFL logo music for EpVII. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 By the time you are starting to watch the movie, Disney already has your money, so I don't see what removing the 20th Century Fox logo accomplishes.HOWEVERIf they did want/need to remove the Fox Logo, I'm fine with the films opening straight into the Lucasfilm logo.BUT, instead of a very poorly done edit of the TESB end credits, a new fanfare should have been commissioned. This is really amateur hour here..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 797 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Ok, I'm the only one who kinda likes it. Great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 What... do you possibly like about it?I could make a better 10 second version of TESB end credits music myself, and I'm not a professional music editor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 By the time you are starting to watch the movie, Disney already has your money, so I don't see what removing the 20th Century Fox logo accomplishes.Any corporation is very adamant when it comes to trademark and logo usage tied to their properties. It's part of their assets. It's not that strange they're putting all their assets in line with the new ownership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laserschwert 475 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 They could have the first cue already beginning over the logos as well, but I'm not sure whether Disney has done this recently.Since the first cue in every SW-movie has been the main theme, I really doubt this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 It's a guarantee that there will be silence during "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away", and then the same blast into the main title after that as STAR WARS appears on the screen.The question is what will play under the Lucasfilm logo that precedes all thats, and if there will also be a Disney logo before the Lucasfilm logo or not. I'd wager their won't be, since Disney bought Marvel in a similar way to how they bought Lucasfilm and doesn't put the Disney logo in front of the Marvel logo on those films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 They could have the first cue already beginning over the logos as well, but I'm not sure whether Disney has done this recently.Since the first cue in every SW-movie has been the main theme, I really doubt this.I completely agree - what was I thinking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 But so far Disney has been more discrete about owning Marvel then they are about owning Star Wars.I'm sure there will be somekind of Disney logo. Hopefully with a new JW piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 I still find it amusing that Star Wars 7 is John's first Disney score ever Brónach and Bespin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,794 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 They could not start the Lucasfilm logo without any audio?A fanfare-silence-sw main title it's iconic on its own.About the disney logo... the new novels have disney and lucasfilm in the back covers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Does the Disney logo appear on any of the recent Marvel Comics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 About the disney logo... the new novels have disney and lucasfilm in the back covers.What music plays when you open the book? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Jedi Rocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Jedi RocksKoo nee tang, na' na' na', ah lawah. Koo nee tang! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,825 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 And the further revisions....have just started!Pandora's box has been opened! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,490 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Ok, I'm the only one who kinda likes it. Great.No, I like it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Why?At best its a clumsy edit that anyone here could have done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 I like mediocrity too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Why couldn't they just had Williams write a short fanfare and record it when they did the teaser? Surely this digital collection has been in the works since last year. I'm assuming (and hoping) TFA will have something different (and better).Ok, I'm the only one who kinda likes it. Great.No, I like it too.I like the music, too, but it just doesn't work here with the edit and as an introduction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 I think it's great. Disney continues the great tradition begun by Lucas: messing up the movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,649 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Does the Disney logo appear on any of the recent Marvel Comics?It's on the title crawl/credits page in every issue, next to the Lucasfilm logo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 That is the most annoying part - Disney bought Lucasfilm 30 months ago, and in all that time this is the best edit they came up with to replace the Lucasfilm logo music on the films?I have to imagine that John Williams will compose a Lucasfilm Fanfare for Episode 7, and that will retroactively be added to these digital releases once it's recorded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Does the Disney logo appear on any of the recent Marvel Comics?It's on the title crawl/credits page in every issue, next to the Lucasfilm logo.The non Star Wars Marvel comics I mean..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,649 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Does the Disney logo appear on any of the recent Marvel Comics?It's on the title crawl/credits page in every issue, next to the Lucasfilm logo.The non Star Wars Marvel comics I mean.....I don't have a lot, so this may not be representative of the group as a whole, but I just downloaded a 2013 Daredevil comic from my collection and there is no mention of Disney - not in the credits, or in the copyright information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Thought so,Disney is keeping rather a low profile on Marvel productions. While with Star Wars they have been pretty darn vocal about owning that shit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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