Jay 37,352 Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 On 4/15/2015 at 4:37 PM, Richard Penna said: Track 1, 4 and 16. Isn't the opening of these essentially the same effects/chords? I don't remember it being like that in the film. Track 4 isn't in the film, track 4 is "Day One", his original demo for Nolan (well, a re-recorded version of that demo) On 4/15/2015 at 4:42 PM, TheGreyPilgrim said: Oh on the original album, you mean. Track 4 is a "suite" but includes the opening cue as heard in the film - track 1 is more of an album edit, at least as far as the ambient sounds are concerned. 16 is exactly as it is in the film. Yea, Track 1 on the OST is the first film cue with ambience added to the beginning of it to open up the album "experience" I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted April 15, 2015 Author Share Posted April 15, 2015 Oh he must have meant Stay, which is 5 not 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Yup. The OST version of Stay has a much longer opening compared to its film/FYC site counterpart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,686 Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 The one time that Zimmer hasn't bragged about collaborating with someone, or using a drum circle, and the music is actually interesting.Probably a stupid question, but did anyone help him with this? (I don't own the physical album yet, so I can't read any liners) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 100% Zimmer this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,686 Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Really? Wow.He really needs to stop collaborating if he can do this on his own.It strikes me that he tends to give the projects that are less interesting to him largely to his minions - Pirates 4, The Lone Ranger. I just wish he'd let someone else score them if he can't be bothered to do the whole thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted April 15, 2015 Author Share Posted April 15, 2015 It's never a question of him letting them score things on their own, but of the director/producer/studio's willingness to allow that. If he wants to give, these days, Mazzaro and Kawczynski good opportunities, it's gotta be alongside his name, or no one is gonna go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,686 Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 It's rather sad that his name is so powerful that producers/directors/studios want him overseeing a score just so they can put his name on a CD.At least Zanelli is doing Pirates 5 on his own. Based on comments on his website, he seems to actually have enjoyed his work on the franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted April 15, 2015 Author Share Posted April 15, 2015 It's not all that sad for the many composers who have and will benefit from the exposure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 It's not all that sad for the many composers who have and will benefit from the exposure. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,686 Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 I can see both sides of the argument.But it still denies us the chance to hear Zimmer on his own, like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted April 15, 2015 Author Share Posted April 15, 2015 I think when he has something to say and wants it to be undiluted, he does it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Did Zimmer use any additional composers for Nolan's The Dark Knight Rises or Inception? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted April 15, 2015 Author Share Posted April 15, 2015 Balfe and Holkenborg both worked on TDKR, and Balfe had a huge role in Inception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Ah yes, that's right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted April 15, 2015 Author Share Posted April 15, 2015 Between JP, CE3K, and A.I., which would folks most want one of these posts for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 JP, followed by AI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 JP, followed by AI.What can been said about CE3K that hasn't already in 38 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 JP, followed by AI.What can been said about CE3K that hasn't already in 38 years.Well, there is new stuff to be said, but not on the thematic material. It's a bit too abstract for this kind of macroanalysis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted April 16, 2015 Author Share Posted April 16, 2015 Oh yeah, I should say that it would be far more intensely analytical of the actual music. I kind of want to try breaking out some of the old theoretical artillery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Oh yeah, I should say that it would be far more intensely analytical of the actual music. I kind of want to try breaking out some of the old theoretical artillery.Give us a full theoretical artillery bombardment on JP or A.I.! Close Encounters would not be out of the question. I am sure much of these theoretical brass tacks would fly over my head but I am sure there would be much to enjoy. And nice analysis here. I might try the score again with this as my guide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Oh yeah, I should say that it would be far more intensely analytical of the actual music. I kind of want to try breaking out some of the old theoretical artillery.Set theory or death. BTW, what are you using? Pen or pencil? 2B, 4B, 2H? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted April 16, 2015 Author Share Posted April 16, 2015 These babies.http://www.amazon.com/Dixon-Ticonderoga-Wood-Cased-Pencils-13953/dp/B002HI5H8S?tag=01u-20And Carta No. 27 paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uni 306 Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Excellent analysis on this, Grey. I haven't had a chance to go over every detail with the score on track, but I intend to do that very soon. (I love having resources like this to do it with.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 186 Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Great analysis, you really put a lot of effort into this Hlao-roo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 These babies. http://www.amazon.com/Dixon-Ticonderoga-Wood-Cased-Pencils-13953/dp/B002HI5H8S?tag=01u-20 And Carta No. 27 paper. Oh you poor darling. You need these: http://www.amazon.com/STAEDTLER-MARS-LUMOGRAPH-PENCIL-HB/dp/B004L13HH2/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted April 17, 2015 Author Share Posted April 17, 2015 No built in eraser? Just how confident do you think I am?Great analysis, you really put a lot of effort into this The effort is in typing it up really. The rest is pleasurable, doesn't feel like effort at all.Glad folks are finding it worthwhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Real men don't use modern inventions like built in erasers! We use blobs of rubber like in the olden days! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted April 17, 2015 Author Share Posted April 17, 2015 I have those too. You sayin' I'm not a real man? You wanna fight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Hi guys.I didn't find any better thread for my queation.I just played Mahler's 10th symphony and there were few places that reminds me Hans' Interstellar.That theme when Cooper is leaving his family( repetative sevent, C - Bb) and that theme repeats in space when Cooper is leaving Hathaway(and after that is btw the highligh of the score).Anyone else noticed this? Mahler's 10th is't very familiar for the most though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Can you give us timestamped examples on a Mahler 10 YouTube vid? I'm not overly familiar with Mahler 10 either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted September 17, 2015 Author Share Posted September 17, 2015 Yeah point it out somewhere. I know Mahler well, but with the 10th I don't know any of the extensions or completed versions, and I don't recall anything similar in the original first movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 I try to find some examples from youtube, I'm not sure is there any... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted September 18, 2015 Author Share Posted September 18, 2015 Fair enough. There's certainly a strong Wagner/Mahler undercurrent in some of the themes. Hans talked about that last year a few times. Which movement was it though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 I think it was the finale, 5th movement.And I'm not accusing Hans of plagarism, I just noticed some similarity.Hans' Interstellar is a strong score.(Mahler's 10 not my fav) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Are you drunk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Hans' Interstellar is a strong score.(Mahler's 10 not my fav)Surely in Mahler's top 10 symphonies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Are you drunk?That's the only logical explanation.Isn't that the usual explanation?Or is Pasi really into Hansu's Interstellan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 With the Finnish people? Yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,495 Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 The Grey Pilgrim:Any chance the sound clips in the first post can be re-instated? It would prove a valuable resource. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted September 18, 2015 Author Share Posted September 18, 2015 They weren't sound clips but written notation of the themes. I'm not sure what happened to them. I'll see about putting them back on imgur. As for the Mahler explanation, I'll have to check it out. Like I said I've never really cared to hear any of the various "completions" of the symphony so I only know the first movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,495 Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 They weren't sound clips but written notation of the themes. I'm not sure what happened to them. I'll see about putting them back on imgur.As for the Mahler explanation, I'll have to check it out. Like I said I've never really cared to hear any of the various "completions" of the symphony so I only know the first movement.OK. As I can't read notation, I was curious if there was some sort of link to passages that we could listen to. I'm also asking because a colleague of mine has done a MASSIVE analysis of the film, and might want to reference your post in his upcoming English translation/revision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted September 18, 2015 Author Share Posted September 18, 2015 I see. Well I'll try to get the notation back today and maybe add in some Youtube links with timestamps. As for your colleague, feel free to PM me about that if necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted September 18, 2015 Author Share Posted September 18, 2015 I've added the photos back but I think Youtube examples would clutter the post too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 http://youtu.be/VBGBNYxYvGM4:50 --->I'm sure there is a better place that cannot find now. Mayby I was drunk again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 I've added the photos back but I think Youtube examples would clutter the post too much.What about Youtube hyperlinks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted September 18, 2015 Author Share Posted September 18, 2015 http://youtu.be/VBGBNYxYvGM4:50 --->I'm sure there is a better place that cannot find now. Mayby I was drunk again.Definitely reminiscent, especially the earlier flute solo. The ghosts of Mahler and Wagner and even Strauss are all over this one, besides the more modern minimalist stuff. And let's not forget this, which Pub may or may not have inadvertently convinced much of the internet was used in the IMAX trailer from last September.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYEijXHFY1wI've added the photos back but I think Youtube examples would clutter the post too much.What about Youtube hyperlinks?Maybe what I'll do is add a link to the "suite" for each theme or a cue where it's used prominently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,495 Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Fantastic, thanks!I'm too drunk to say any meaningful beyond that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted September 18, 2015 Author Share Posted September 18, 2015 That's meaningful enough from a drunk person! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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